Flat earth theory?

a reply to: oldcarpy

I already answered that question.

Can you now answer this one?

Can you explain why it has to move around Earth then?

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: oldcarpy

I already answered that question.

Can you now answer this one?

Can you explain why it has to move around Earth then?

You did? Perhaps you would be kind enough to repeat your answer or point me to where you answered it. a simple yes or no is all that is needed.

Do me the courtesy of giving a straight answer to a straight question and I will answer yours.

a reply to: oldcarpy

So I asked this,

Can you explain why it has to move around Earth then?

Your response,

It has been explained to you many times over but as you appear unable to comprehend very basic physics

Ok, so a geostationary satellite has to move around the Earth then in your understanding of physics?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

And it does move around the circumference of the earth. It moves around the earth’s axis. It moves around the earth’s center of mass. It moves in accordance to the mechanic and parameters of defining orbit. If modeling the solar system, a geostationary satellite would clearly orbit the earth, with earth as the primary for the geostationary satellite.

What do you not get that geostationary orbit is a real thing, and geostationary orbits are utilized in telecommunications.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

Again, give me a simple yes or a no answer to my question and i will answer yours.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

You said:

No direct answer=lying.

Now, your answer is?

a reply to: neutronflux

And it does move around the circumference of the earth.

Give it up man. Just admit that it doesnt orbit around the Earth then. If it would orbit around the Earth you would just say "Earth".

Btw your peer thinks that you explained to me that it has to move around the Earth. Doesnt that annoy you?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

And he's off. No direct answer, or even any answer then.

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: captainpudding

I will also say yes a satellite in earth orbit, orbits the earth.

Now say something relevant. The topic was geostationary satellites. Not satellites in general.

And once more, from NASA

An orbit is a regular, repeating path that one object in space takes around another one.

Now does a geostationary sat move around the object Earth? No it doesnt. Its geo stationary.


Rofl.

satellites orbit earth , geostationary and any other configuration of orbit

elliptical , polar , , high earth orbit , low earth orbit

they all orbit earth in a curved trajectory as long as they are within the gravitational field created by the earths mass!

they all Orbit the earth

regardless of what you believe the objective facts speak for themselves
and we have all reached the same conclusion , just you who refuses to accept objective reality


A geostationary satellite still orbits earth in a repeating orbit , whether you accept or understand it or not !

a reply to: oldcarpy

Again, give me a simple yes or a no answer to my question and i will answer yours.

Lol, Carpy the moment has passed already you did a very good job. Sheesh.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

So you are not able or willing to answer a straight question. What a hypocrite you are. Lame, sir. Very lame.

a reply to: sapien82

A geostationary satellite still orbits earth in a repeating orbit ,

Does it move around the Earth? Why are you people even objecting. Do you need it to move round the Earth?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

Hey - you are going round in circles. Are you in orbit?

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: oldcarpy

Again, give me a simple yes or a no answer to my question and i will answer yours.

Lol, Carpy the moment has passed already you did a very good job. Sheesh.

And the ATS Award for Ducking the Question goes to.....

a reply to: oldcarpy

That depends on the frame of reference. Are you the superdense object that I am running circles around?

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

Did you ever stop to think

The overwhelming evidence proves the answer to that question is no

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: neutronflux

And it does move around the circumference of the earth.

Give it up man. Just admit that it doesnt orbit around the Earth then. If it would orbit around the Earth you would just say "Earth".

Btw your peer thinks that you explained to me that it has to move around the Earth. Doesnt that annoy you?

Your one sad individual. No one is lying to you. A geostationary satellite clearly orbits the space around earth with the earth as the primary objected orbited by a earth geostationary satellite as defined by the six Keplerian orbital elements/parameters.

Again, name where “earth’s rotation” is one of the Keplerian orbital elements/ parameters used by scientists to define orbits.

This is such a open and shut case that you have NOT debunked Geostationary orbit is a thing.

a reply to: neutronflux

A geostationary satellite clearly orbits the space around earth

Come on now sport, this is getting very childish.

So again you admit that it does not move around the Earth.

Now man up and tell your friends they are wrong.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

Why don't you man up and answer my question? Failing to give a direct answer to a question is lying according to you. Now answer the damn question.

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: neutronflux

A geostationary satellite clearly orbits the space around earth

Come on now sport, this is getting very childish.

So again you admit that it does not move around the Earth.

Now man up and tell your friends they are wrong.

Yes, you are being very childish.

Below are the parameters for determining orbit. Please explain how a geostationary satellite does not meet the listed parameters for orbiting the earth with earth as the primary.

Orbital elements

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Orbital elements are the parameters required to uniquely identify a specific orbit. In celestial mechanics these elements are generally considered in classical two-body systems, where a Kepler orbit is used. There are many different ways to mathematically describe the same orbit, but certain schemes, each consisting of a set of six parameters, are commonly used in astronomy and orbital mechanics.

A real orbit (and its elements) changes over time due to gravitational perturbations by other objects and the effects of relativity. A Keplerian orbit is merely an idealized, mathematical approximation at a particular time.

The traditional orbital elements are the six Keplerian elements, after Johannes Kepler and his laws of planetary motion.

When viewed from an inertial frame, two orbiting bodies trace out distinct trajectories. Each of these trajectories has its focus at the common center of mass. When viewed from a non-inertial frame centred on one of the bodies, only the trajectory of the opposite body is apparent; Keplerian elements describe these non-inertial trajectories. An orbit has two sets of Keplerian elements depending on which body is used as the point of reference. The reference body is called the primary, the other body is called the secondary. The primary does not necessarily possess more mass than the secondary, and even when the bodies are of equal mass, the orbital elements depend on the choice of the primary.

Two elements define the shape and size of the ellipse:

Eccentricity (e)—shape of the ellipse, describing how much it is elongated compared to a circle (not marked in diagram).
Semimajor axis (a)—the sum of the periapsis and apoapsis distances divided by two. For circular orbits, the semimajor axis is the distance between the centers of the bodies, not the distance of the bodies from the center of mass.
Two elements define the orientation of the orbital plane in which the ellipse is embedded:

Inclination (i)—vertical tilt of the ellipse with respect to the reference plane, measured at the ascending node (where the orbit passes upward through the reference plane, the green angle i in the diagram). Tilt angle is measured perpendicular to line of intersection between orbital plane and reference plane. Any three points on an ellipse will define the ellipse orbital plane. The plane and the ellipse are both two-dimensional objects defined in three-dimensional space.
Longitude of the ascending node (Ω)—horizontally orients the ascending node of the ellipse (where the orbit passes upward through the reference plane, symbolized by ☊) with respect to the reference frame's vernal point (symbolized by ♈︎). This is measured in the reference plane, and is shown as the green angle Ω in the diagram.
The remaining two elements are as follows:

Argument of periapsis (ω) defines the orientation of the ellipse in the orbital plane, as an angle measured from the ascending node to the periapsis (the closest point the satellite object comes to the primary object around which it orbits, the blue angle ω in the diagram).
True anomaly (ν, θ, or f) at epoch (M0) defines the position of the orbiting body along the ellipse at a specific time (the "epoch").
The mean anomaly is a mathematically convenient "angle" which varies linearly with time, but which does not correspond to a real geometric angle. It can be converted into the true anomaly ν, which does represent the real geometric angle in the plane of the ellipse, between periapsis (closest approach to the central body) and the position of the orbiting object at any given time. Thus, the true anomaly is shown as the red angle ν in the diagram, and the mean anomaly is not shown.

The angles of inclination, longitude of the ascending node, and argument of periapsis can also be described as the Euler angles defining the orientation of the orbit relative to the reference coordinate system.

Note that non-elliptic trajectories also exist, but are not closed, and are thus not orbits. If the eccentricity is greater than one, the trajectory is a hyperbola. If the eccentricity is equal to one and the angular momentum is zero, the trajectory is radial. If the eccentricity is one and there is angular momentum, the trajectory is a parabola.