Flat earth theory?

a reply to: neutronflux

How would a geostationary satellite stay above the same point along earth’s equator if it didn’t orbit the same axis the earth rotates about,

What does this have to do with your claims that it orbits around the Earth?

You are obviously not saying that it actually orbits around the Earth.

Why dont you admit that they dont move around the Earth like you all claimed?

Do you need them to move around the Earth? Why dont you wanna talk about this?

According to your friend oldcarpy they need to move around the Earth. Do you agree with oldcarpy?

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: neutronflux

Wrong question.

So geosatellites dont have to move around the Earth?

To orbit, they have to revolve about the center of mass of earth. Has nothing to to with the rotation of earth.

a reply to: neutronflux

So they dont have to move around the Earth then?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

Again...

Again. A geostationary satellite stays above the same point on earth. Hence “geo” sstationary. However. A geostationary satellite orbits the same axis the earth rotates on. The reason This can be used as a point of origin is the center of mass and axis are essential the same reference point when considering orbits of objects with little mass. If this was not true, how would a geostationary satellite say above the same point above earth?

Back to the center of mass. The moon does not orbit the earth. The earth and moon orbit about a point called a barycenter. There is no barycenter for a man made satellite and the earth because the earth is so relatively massive the barycenter is essential the earth’s center of mass. When defining orbits, objects center of mass and resultant barycenters are used. A planet’s rotation is not a parameter when defining an objects orbit.

Please quote where any of the above is false with a credible argument and proof. Sorry. Geostationary orbit is a thing. And you have done nothing to debunk geostationary orbit.

a reply to: neutronflux

So they dont have to move around the Earth then?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

What are you asking. It has nothing to do with the mechanics of an orbiting object. Objects orbit centers of mass, not a planets rotating surface.

Again

Again. A geostationary satellite stays above the same point on earth. Hence “geo” sstationary. However. A geostationary satellite orbits the same axis the earth rotates on. The reason This can be used as a point of origin is the center of mass and axis are essential the same reference point when considering orbits of objects with little mass. If this was not true, how would a geostationary satellite say above the same point above earth?

Back to the center of mass. The moon does not orbit the earth. The earth and moon orbit about a point called a barycenter. There is no barycenter for a man made satellite and the earth because the earth is so relatively massive the barycenter is essential the earth’s center of mass. When defining orbits, objects center of mass and resultant barycenters are used. A planet’s rotation is not a parameter when defining an objects orbit.

Please quote where any of the above is false with a credible argument and proof. Sorry. Geostationary orbit is a thing. And you have done nothing to debunk geostationary orbit.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity



A geostationary satellite isnt stationary in the sense of its orbit around the earth , it is only stationary in the sense that its position appears to remain fixed above the earth to the observer on the ground , this happens because the satellite is in geosynchronous orbit !

do you know what optical illusions are ?

a reply to: neutronflux

What are you asking. It has nothing to do with the mechanics of an orbiting object. Objects orbit centers of mass, not a planets rotating surface.

So they dont have to move around the Earth then? Why cant you answer the question? Your friend oldcarpy is saying that they have to move round the Earth. From your words I must conclude that they dont have to do this.

So do they have to move around the Earth or not?

a reply to: neutronflux

And the conclusion of your words is also that they dont orbit around the Earth itself like all you guys claimed.

Can you now admit that they dont move around the Earth. Why cant you admit this? Do you need them to move around the Earth like oldcarpy is saying?

a reply to: sapien82

A geostationary satellite isnt stationary in the sense of its orbit around the earth

A geostationary satellite doesnt orbit around the Earth. Check out Neutronflux posts.

do you know what optical illusions are ?

Did I claim that it doesnt move? I said it doesnt move AROUND Earth. Told you 350 times now.

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

it does move around the earth it just doesnt appear to move around the earth to a ground based observer. We have evidence that it does, so far you have only offered your opinion that they dont !

You havent told me 350 times , stop lying ! (you sure you arent scottish hahah , as we are known for exaggerating numbers)

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

I am sorry that you don’t understand a geostationary satellite doesn’t move relative to a specific point above earth, but a geostationary satellite does complete an orbit in space with the earth at the center of that orbit. And what the geostationary satellite is actually orbiting is earth’s center of mass.

Now. please list where the earth’s rotation is a parameter for determining orbit.

Orbital elements
Orbital elements are the parameters required to uniquely identify a specific orbit.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

Once more , please offer up some evidence that supports your position , since according to you , you have offered your "evidence" aka your opinion 350 times, you'd think that maybe once you'd have supported it with evidence out of those 350 times !

Cmon infinite it's not hard , if what you say is true , then surely you have some objective evidence which supports it
otherwise how did you come to your conclusion ?

a reply to: sapien82

it does move around the earth it just doesnt appear to move around the earth to a ground based observer.

In order to appear stationary to an Earth based observer it has to be in sync with Earth rotation, meaning it doesnt move relative to the observer so it is not moving around the Earth. Is a helicopter hovering above this observer moving around the Earth? Or is it moving with the Earth?

Stop being so obtuse its ridiculous. Again why cant you admt this? Do you need it to move around the Earth?

a reply to: neutronflux

I am sorry that you don’t understand a geostationary satellite doesn’t move relative to a specific point above earth, but a geostationary satellite does complete an orbit in space with the earth at the center of that orbit. And what the geostationary satellite is actually orbiting is earth’s center of mass.

So its not orbiting around the Earth like you all claimed? Its the only thing I can conclude from your words

So why wont you admit it? Do you need it to be moving around Earth like oldcarpy says?

originally posted by: InfiniteTrinity
a reply to: sapien82

it does move around the earth it just doesnt appear to move around the earth to a ground based observer.

In order to appear stationary to an Earth based observer it has to be in sync with Earth rotation, meaning it doesnt move relative to the observer so it is not moving around the Earth. Is a helicopter hovering above this observer moving around the Earth? Or is it moving with the Earth?

Stop being so obtuse its ridiculous. Again why cant you admt this? Do you need it to move around the Earth?

Its not moving relative to the observer its moving relative to the earth and so is the observer moving relative to the earth . The geostationary satellite is moving around the earth.

I personally dont need it to move anywhere , but that is what happens when you put an object into orbit around the earth and synch its orbital speed with the earths rotation , thats the objective reality humans witness when we do that !

What evidence do you have to the contrary ?

a reply to: sapien82

Its not moving relative to the observer

Correct

its moving relative to the earth

No its not it stays above the same point. If it moved relative to Earth it wouldnt stay above the same point now would it.

and so is the observer moving relative to the earth

No the observer is on the Earth moving with the Earth, so not moving relative to the Earth.


Add this all up and gostationary satellites dont move around the Earth.

Do you need them to move around Earth?

a reply to: InfiniteTrinity

so now we are moving onto the word relative, from the word orbit !

take your circular , goal post switching, decaying orbit of an argument and your opinion and go back to youtube hahahahah

a reply to: sapien82

I have been saying this exact same thing for 30 pages now. When are you going to say something relevant?

Whatever it is, it's all pretty natural.