Spotify Banning Neo Nazi Music

a reply to: UpIsNowDown

The current world has ZERO censorship, I am in my mid 40's and can get you ANYTHING on the internet, when I was younger I to hated the word censorship I grew up with Mary Whitehouse, she hated the programs I used to love.

Well that's false. When something is censored it doesn't mean it disappears from existence.

a reply to: seagull

I understand your sentiment.

To me, at the end of the day it's their business decision. It will either help or hurt them. Either way doesn't bother me. There are a lot of places to get music from.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: seagull

Do you think its wrong to take away people's choice to buy child porn? That's censorship.

Yeah, child porn exploits and harms children, which is a crime.

A better example is: how many people criticizing Spotify's decision to not carry Neo-nazi music would also criticize the decision to not carry music that openly advocated pedophilia.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Shamrock6

Spotify hasn't prohibited or suppressed anything, they've decided to not carry something. The music still exists, whether Spotify carries it or not. The music can still be distributed. The music can still be listened to.

What abject sophistry. The Catholic Church didn't suppress books, they just didn't carry them. They still existed somewhere.

What nonsense.

No, the Catholic Church pretty forcibly removed books and publications and controlled what was allowed to be printed and what wasn't.

Poor example.

a reply to: Shamrock6

No, the Catholic Church pretty forcibly removed books and publications and controlled what was allowed to be printed and what wasn't.

Poor example.

Spotify is forcibly removing the music from their service. Spotify is choosing what kind of music it approves of, while prohibiting music it doesn't. Either way, your sophistry is betrayed by your own definitions.

a reply to: queenofswords

I feel fairly certain that even a skinhead Nazi could find music they liked on spotify even without the hate based stuff on there.

I don't think there are any more people or groups which are more hypocritical than racist Nazi so I am sure many will still sign up and get their fill of Snoop Dogs latest hits.

And Spotify certainly has the right to choose what music they host and it is market based which is most likely the reason they had it on there in the first place because they made money from it.

Now when it looks like they could lose customers over it or suffer from a violent protest outside their office they decide to take it down. Only my opinion but it should not have been part of their library in the first place

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Oh god I'm getting old. Sorry... Mayhem... sheesh.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Shamrock6

No, the Catholic Church pretty forcibly removed books and publications and controlled what was allowed to be printed and what wasn't.

Poor example.

Spotify is forcibly removing the music from their service. Spotify is choosing what kind of music it approves of, while prohibiting music it doesn't. Either way, your sophistry is betrayed by your own definitions.

"Spotify is forcibly removing the music from their service"?!

Are your personal choices forced? Life must be a daily struggle for you.

a reply to: Abysha

"Spotify is forcibly removing the music from their service"?!

Are your personal choices forced? Life must be a daily struggle for you.

Sometimes. Then again, life must be easy when others get to choose for you.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Abysha

"Spotify is forcibly removing the music from their service"?!

Are your personal choices forced? Life must be a daily struggle for you.

Sometimes. Then again, life must be easy when others get to choose for you.

If somebody chooses to listen to pro-genocide music, I don't give a crap if their choices are limited.

I have zero problem saying that.

a reply to: Abysha

If somebody chooses to listen to pro-genocide music, I don't give a crap if their choices are limited.

I have zero problem saying that.

You should. That's what is frightening.

The irony is, censorship is a tactic of genocide, totalitarianism, white supremacy, and tyranny.

Censoring or removing fascist music, books or regalia from any provider will lead more people to radicalism. Young and new members are jumping on the band wagon of extremism driven by feeling disenfranchised, the recent media storm, a sense of tribe and anti establishment principles combined. Censorship and stigmitastion will make it kooler and increase the degree of radicalism.

Banning anything will make it more saught after!

The definition and judgment of what is "Nazi" music, or not would be a difficult decision. A song screaming "skinhead, skinhead, whatcha ya going to do" obviously rings a bell to a company that this is "racist" content. What about another song just about being bald with a passion for beating people up? Is this song definatley racist? What if an organisation uses Ramstein, The Ramones or Sex Pistols for example for their fascist theme song. Should these bands/songs be removed because of adopted association with said groups?

Oddly, in my youth I used to listen to a band called "The Redskins". They were far left Marxists and their songs were all about violent revolution. You know, shooting the bosses and all that.

Here's one of theirs. Kick over the statues. Quite topical. Is Spotify going to ban music that offends and has a violent message, or drives people to violence and aggression? Bet they don't ban stuff that makes money.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Abysha

If somebody chooses to listen to pro-genocide music, I don't give a crap if their choices are limited.

I have zero problem saying that.

You should. That's what is frightening.

The irony is, censorship is a tactic of genocide, totalitarianism, white supremacy, and tyranny.

Is Walmart censoring porn or do they just not carry it? Do Christian book stores censor Islam or do they just choose to not carry it? Do you censor fecalphilia or do you just choose not to poop on your kitchen counter?

In American society, the default stance is to not propagate Nazi ideology. It's a harmful niche market. Why aren't you bugging all these other companies for not carrying Nazi stuff? Walmart doesn't carry Nazi flags, go bug them.

a reply to: Abysha

Is Walmart censoring porn or do they just not carry it? Do Christian book stores censor Islam or do they just choose to not carry it? Do you censor fecalphilia or do you just choose not to poop on your kitchen counter?

In American society, the default stance is to not propagate Nazi ideology. It's a harmful niche market. Why aren't you bugging all these other companies for not carrying Nazi stuff? Walmart doesn't carry Nazi flags, go bug them.

Censorship isn't about selling products. Unfortunately that analogy doesn't work. Censorship is, at its basic level, the controlling of information.

I know—Nazism is a detestable ideology. It has been thoroughly repudiated and ousted as pseudoscience. It belongs in the dustbin of history. After the church and Islam, they were probably the most censorial of anything that has hitherto existed. If we censor them, restrict their expression, we are hardly different.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Abysha

Is Walmart censoring porn or do they just not carry it? Do Christian book stores censor Islam or do they just choose to not carry it? Do you censor fecalphilia or do you just choose not to poop on your kitchen counter?

In American society, the default stance is to not propagate Nazi ideology. It's a harmful niche market. Why aren't you bugging all these other companies for not carrying Nazi stuff? Walmart doesn't carry Nazi flags, go bug them.

Censorship isn't about selling products. Unfortunately that analogy doesn't work. Censorship is, at its basic level, the controlling of information.

I know—Nazism is a detestable ideology. It has been thoroughly repudiated and ousted as pseudoscience. It belongs in the dustbin of history. After the church and Islam, they were probably the most censorial of anything that has hitherto existed. If we censor them, restrict their expression, we are hardly different.

Explain the difference instead of just repeating that you don't like the analogies.

Explain the difference between Spotify not streaming Nazi music vs Walmart not selling Nazi music.

What is the difference?

a reply to: Edumakated

They might ban the Skrewdriver but they can't ban Skrew.

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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

My definitions being the ones that one can find in a dictionary. Yes, those.

Not carrying a product is not censorship. The artists involved have not been prevented from making their music, and their fans have not been prevented from hearing it.

And please, don't start casting about the sophistry tag when you yourself just blatantly used a fallacious example. Pedant.

a reply to: Edumakated

Good to know that Spotify still "tolerates" violent misogyny and I see all the typical rappers who sing about women being b*tches, hos, tricks, etc.., and portray white women as desirable when dead in their videos (like Kanye) are still available for my listening pleasure.

I could go on and on, there are hundreds of examples.

Spotify must 'tolerate' violence against women or else so many *artists* who denigrate women would be banned there.

a reply to: Shamrock6

My definitions being the ones that one can find in a dictionary. Yes, those.

Not carrying a product is not censorship. The artists involved have not been prevented from making their music, and their fans have not been prevented from hearing it.

And please, don't start casting about the sophistry tag when you yourself just blatantly used a fallacious example. Pedant.

Yes the same definitions that run contrary to your specious arguments. You do not not know what censorship is. The fact you had to run to the dictionary after your argument only illustrates the point. Sophist.