If the USA doesn't give 100% 'Basic' Medical Coverage to its People - It is Evil

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

Rubbish.

You are trying to tar everyone who hasn't paid into the system with the same brush.

Shame on you.

Another deflection.

Question stands.

So, in you mind someone who is born with sever brain damage, is just the same as someone who is work shy and lives off the state.

You must be a Conservative.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

Rubbish.

You are trying to tar everyone who hasn't paid into the system with the same brush.

Shame on you.

Another deflection.

Question stands.

So, in you mind someone who is born with sever brain damage, is just the same as someone who is work shy and lives off the state.

You must be a Conservative.

Yet another deflection and straw man argument.

I have never said a severely brain damaged person is the same as a work shy, lazy person. You made that up.

Now, back to the rather simple question of what can those receiving handouts do in return? As already clarified, able to work.

I rather expected the response to such a simple question to degrade into some nonsense, but I must admit referring to severely handicapped people as part of the argument and calling my question shameful is hilarious.

a reply to: [post=22508018]UKTruth[/post

maybe it seems one sided to you, but it seems to me that the largest injustice is being done to those that have paid year after year, after year, but to get the healthcare they need is to end up a bankruptcy court every 7 or so years because the cost of healthcare is so high and unaffordable while neither side of the political spectrum it seems acknowledges their existance!
they don't like the idea of letting "the poor" go without,
they don't like the idea of long lines and wait times at the doctor's office...
so, they accept the idea that some should be left out of the loop and instead of it being the "'poor" the select an not so identifiable group a little higher up in the income level.

if healthcare isn't a right...
if healthcare isn't necessary...
if the er is so adequate...
why are you taking money from these people so others can get it???

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: [post=22508018]UKTruth[/post

maybe it seems one sided to you, but it seems to me that the largest injustice is being done to those that have paid year after year, after year, but to get the healthcare they need is to end up a bankruptcy court every 7 or so years because the cost of healthcare is so high and unaffordable while neither side of the political spectrum it seems acknowledges their existance!
they don't like the idea of letting "the poor" go without,
they don't like the idea of long lines and wait times at the doctor's office...
so, they accept the idea that some should be left out of the loop and instead of it being the "'poor" the select an not so identifiable group a little higher up in the income level.

if healthcare isn't a right...
if healthcare isn't necessary...
if the er is so adequate...
why are you taking money from these people so others can get it???

I seem to be getting a lot of dodging around my question.
I am talking about people who never worked, always claimed benefits and are able to work. Millions of them.
What can they do for their handouts?

a reply to: UKTruth

How many haven't paid in anything or very little? The argument always seems to be one sided... I am just interested to know what would those receiving handouts would be prepared to do in return?

Above is your OP.

Nowhere in there is an exception made for those born unable to work.

You blanket covered everyone under " Those who haven't paid into the system "

About time you came back into the " real world " and actually say that some people are never able to work but still need medical treatment.

More like callous. Giving the bird to citizens.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

How many haven't paid in anything or very little? The argument always seems to be one sided... I am just interested to know what would those receiving handouts would be prepared to do in return?

Above is your OP.

Nowhere in there is an exception made for those born unable to work.

You blanket covered everyone under " Those who haven't paid into the system "

About time you came back into the " real world " and actually say that some people are never able to work but still need medical treatment.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Later stated:

We know that millions never work and have no disabilities and no reasons not to work. So the question stands.

Now back to the question and the 'real world'.. or are you still pretending that everyone who doesn't work is disabled in some way???

a reply to: UKTruth

I will ask you a straight question.

Are there some people who have never paid into the Health System still entitled to free health care without any argument.

Yes or No ?

a reply to: UKTruth

here in the states, unless you're a single mom of very young children, or disabled,
you have to either work at least some, do community service, or be involved in a job training program to get food stamps, rental assistance, along with many other benefits..
at least it's that way in my state..
all medicaid is a very hard program, or at least it is if your state didn't expand the program, if your income is low enough to be eligible, then I imagine that you are gonna need the other programs to stay alive??
and, you could lose you only income, be unofficially disabled, and still not get much help whatsoever in this country!!

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

I will ask you a straight question.

Are there some people who have never paid into the Health System still entitled to free health care without any argument.

Yes or No ?

Sure - like handicapped people.

Millions have absolutely nothing wrong with them that would prevent them from working, though. What can they give back for their handouts?

a reply to: UKTruth

Sure - like handicapped people

We got there at last.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

Sure - like handicapped people

We got there at last.

Now answer the actual question...
I suspect you haven't really thought about it - take take take, without ever thinking about who is providing. The usual one sided socialist argument, with the usual deflection and straw man arguments to avoid even considering any fair exchange of value. Exactly why lazy people looking for handouts are so resented.

a reply to: UKTruth

are they providing a valuable service to society in their home though...
like, oh, I don't know raising small children?
here in the states, we how such a high cost for child care and such a low minimum wage, the taxpayer could conceivably end up paying more money in some cases, for the person to work...
and then, you have a bunch of people in entering the workforce competing with people who are just starting out, or have entered the workforce because the husband's income hasn't kept up with the inflation rate and they need the extra income... and they might have kids also, their husband's income might not be low enough to pay qualify for any help with the childcare.... and by getting a job, the family actually ends up losing money...
while the employers are overjoyed with the influx of workers who don't care about the low wage, because it doesn't matter to them because....
the gov't is still helping them meet their needs.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

I will ask you a straight question.

Are there some people who have never paid into the Health System still entitled to free health care without any argument.

Yes or No ?

Millions have absolutely nothing wrong with them that would prevent them from working, though. What can they give back for their handouts?

People keep saying that. Who are those people? I am under impression that welfare is limited. Here in my state you can only receive welfare for one year after you prove hardship.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

the they providing a valuable service to society in their home though...
like, oh, I don't know raising small children?
here in the states, we how such a high cost for child care and such a low minimum wage, the taxpayer could conceivably end up paying more money in some cases, for the person to work...
and then, you have a bunch of people in entering the workforce competing with people who are just starting out, or have entered the workforce because the husband's income hasn't kept up with the inflation rate and they need the extra income... and they might have kids also, their husband's income might not be low enough to pay qualify for any help with the childcare.... and by getting a job, the family actually ends up losing money...
while the employers are overjoyed with the influx of workers who don't care about the low wage, because it doesn't matter to them because....
the gov't is still helping them meet their needs.

So are people who work providing that value.
We're also talking about those who never worked, or hardly contributing anything, not the spouse of a partner earning an income who has a choice about help or working themselves.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

I will ask you a straight question.

Are there some people who have never paid into the Health System still entitled to free health care without any argument.

Yes or No ?

Millions have absolutely nothing wrong with them that would prevent them from working, though. What can they give back for their handouts?

People keep saying that. Who are those people? I am under impression that welfare is limited. Here in my state you can only receive welfare for one year after you prove hardship.

Come to the UK - leeching an entire life off the backs of others has become an art form.
Feel free to copy us.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: UKTruth

I will ask you a straight question.

Are there some people who have never paid into the Health System still entitled to free health care without any argument.

Yes or No ?

Millions have absolutely nothing wrong with them that would prevent them from working, though. What can they give back for their handouts?

People keep saying that. Who are those people? I am under impression that welfare is limited. Here in my state you can only receive welfare for one year after you prove hardship.

Come to the UK - leeching an entire life off the backs of others has become an art form.
Feel free to copy us.

Oh you're talkng about UK?
I thought this was about USA.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: 00018GE

you brake your ankle, see what kind of care you get at the emergency room and if it's sufficient enough on it's own to the point where you can ever walk again!!!

Yes it will be.

a reply to: UKTruth

there was one mother who lived down the street from me quite a few years back, just a little after clinton and congress passes that round of welfare reform...
she had a husband, but he was a low income earner, so ya, they needed help.
while she searched frantically for a job, they decided that she should be a bus monitor for at least a few hours every week. she got an excellent job offer really!! she only needed to go through some unpaid classroom and hands on training to land it...
well, it interfered with her bus monitor service and wasn't considered a job to these people, nor an approved job training program, so they forced her to refuse the job...

are you sure that they want any of these people being successful enough to earn their own way anyways??

We're also talking about those who never worked, or hardly contributing anything, not the spouse of a partner earning an income who has a choice about help or working themselves.

what about those who really are left with no choices? ya know, like that spouse who needs to work so the kiddies can have clothes on their backs when they go to school or expensive medicine so they can stay healthy enough to be in school.. but can't get any help from those programs nor any help for the childcare that she needs to be able to work.
there's no reason to keep those childcare costs at a reasonable level anymore, because you have a gov't shelling out money for all those single moms, who would have been content staying home tending to their own kids and you have employers who don't see any reason to increase their entry level wage because they have all these single moms praying to god that they don't find a job that pays them so much that they end up in the same spot as the married mom who's kids are lacking necessities and she can't afford the childcare so she can go out and work!

I'm not so much disagreeing with you as pointing out that such action has it's own negative side effects and really solves nothing.

a reply to: 00018GE
not by the er, they will take an xray of it, they will splint it, and they will refer you to a surgeon!! heck if you are lucky, maybe they will give you something for the pain... I had to ask for it!!
that surgeon, might see that you have no insurance and decide they want a few thousand dollars down payment before he does the surgery you need to have the break set right... and well, what if you just don't have that kind of money laying around???