Proving Spontaneity of Post-Impact WTC Towers Collapse

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

Let's see how far this can go, how long this dog can hunt: If you feel you are NOT defending the official account, which account do you feel you are defending?

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: neutronflux

Something did happen in the basement and that's never been adequately explained (& probably never will be). I suspect it was from the fuel/air explosion travelling through the elevator shafts immediately after impact but that's only a theory and there is a lot of confusion over the timing of observations in relation to the impacts.

The only certainty is that whatever happened in the basement was not instrumental in the ultimate collapses which started at the impact zones. The basement area essentially survived whatever it was down there.

Are you saying that the explosion in the basement levels reported by Rodriguez and his fellow workers prior to the airplane impact have no significance?

PRIOR to the impact.

a reply to: SkeptiSchism


Thank you for the link to The Millenium Report. I read E.P. Heidner's work back when it first came out, and then the more recent and polished version, "Collateral Damage" at Scribd.

It is nice to encounter an informed poster like yourself.

a reply to: Salander

The Rodriguez story (as told by himself) went through some evolution over the years which suggests that the facts were 'embellished' to maintain the audience's interest.
Was what they experienced prior to the actual impact or just prior to them knowing of the impact?
(remember that those workers were inside the bowels of the building and ~1000' from the impact zone)

And yes, whatever happened in the basement was insignificant in relation to the towers collapsing. If it was a planted intentional blast as part of the overall attack then it was a dismal failure. If you compare it to the bombing attack of '93 it's obviously a symptom, not a cause.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

Let's see how far this can go, how long this dog can hunt: If you feel you are NOT defending the official account, which account do you feel you are defending?

Can you cite a more credible explanation to supersede impact damage/fire/thermal stress causing inward bowing and buckling leading to collapse at the towers.

You cannot even cite video evidence. The thing you can do is talk about ethnicity. Pitiful.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: neutronflux

Something did happen in the basement and that's never been adequately explained (& probably never will be). I suspect it was from the fuel/air explosion travelling through the elevator shafts immediately after impact but that's only a theory and there is a lot of confusion over the timing of observations in relation to the impacts.

The only certainty is that whatever happened in the basement was not instrumental in the ultimate collapses which started at the impact zones. The basement area essentially survived whatever it was down there.

Are you saying that the explosion in the basement levels reported by Rodriguez and his fellow workers prior to the airplane impact have no significance?

PRIOR to the impact.

Cite from video evidence how a loud noise caused isolated inward bowing and buckling over sixty stories above the basement. And did not show any other effects.

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Salander

The Rodriguez story (as told by himself) went through some evolution over the years which suggests that the facts were 'embellished' to maintain the audience's interest.
Was what they experienced prior to the actual impact or just prior to them knowing of the impact?
(remember that those workers were inside the bowels of the building and ~1000' from the impact zone)

And yes, whatever happened in the basement was insignificant in relation to the towers collapsing. If it was a planted intentional blast as part of the overall attack then it was a dismal failure. If you compare it to the bombing attack of '93 it's obviously a symptom, not a cause.

It has been a few years now, but I have listened to 4 or 5 different tellings of his story by Rodriguez. One was to a European audience I remember. In my experience, his story never changed, so I'm not sure what sort of 'evolution' you mean.

An explosion that rocked the building causing some people to lose their balance was insignificant? An explosion that generated melting skin on at least one other worker was insignificant? How can that be? How often do such explosions happen in Manhattan?

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Salander

The Rodriguez story (as told by himself) went through some evolution over the years which suggests that the facts were 'embellished' to maintain the audience's interest.
Was what they experienced prior to the actual impact or just prior to them knowing of the impact?
(remember that those workers were inside the bowels of the building and ~1000' from the impact zone)

And yes, whatever happened in the basement was insignificant in relation to the towers collapsing. If it was a planted intentional blast as part of the overall attack then it was a dismal failure. If you compare it to the bombing attack of '93 it's obviously a symptom, not a cause.

It has been a few years now, but I have listened to 4 or 5 different tellings of his story by Rodriguez. One was to a European audience I remember. In my experience, his story never changed, so I'm not sure what sort of 'evolution' you mean.

An explosion that rocked the building causing some people to lose their balance was insignificant? An explosion that generated melting skin on at least one other worker was insignificant? How can that be? How often do such explosions happen in Manhattan?

Funny that Rodriguez’s first claim was rumble.

God bless the soul of the person that was burnt by the jet fuel that ran down the elevator shaft. A fire ball would melt skin. A demolitions blast that cuts still would have created demolitions shrapnel that would have created lacerations. An over pressure event that would rupture ear drums.

Two or three more documented false arguments by you....

transcripts.cnn.com...

CNN BREAKING NEWS

Airplanes Hit The World Trade Center

Aired September 11, 2001 - 13:30 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
AARON BROWN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: William Rodriguez (ph) is a maintenance worker at the Trade Center, I believe. In any case, he's on the phone with us now.

Mr. Rodriguez can you hear me?

WILLIAM RODRIGUEZ, MAINTENANCE WORKER, TRADE CENTER: Yes, I can hear you now.

BROWN: Tell me where you were when -- which of those two buildings were you in?

RODRIGUEZ: I work in building one. The one that got hit the first time.

BROWN: Tell me what happened.

RODRIGUEZ: I was in the basement, which is the support floor for the maintenance company, and we hear like a big rumble. Not like an impact, like a rumble, like moving furniture in a massive way. And all of sudden we hear another rumble, and a guy comes running, running into our office, and all of skin was off his body. All of the skin.

We went crazy, we started screaming, we told him to get out. We took everybody out of the office outside to the loading dock area. Then I went back in, and when I went back in I saw people -- I heard people that were stuck on an the elevator, on a freight elevator because all of the elevators went down. And water was going in, and they were probably getting drowned. And we get a couple of pipes and opened the elevator and we got the people out.

I went back up and saw one of the officers from the Port Authority Police, I been working there for 20 years so I knew him very well. My routine on the World Trade Center is in charge of the staircase, and since there was no elevator service, I have the master keys for all the staircase doors.

So, I went up with the police officer and a group of firemen. As we went up, there was a lot of people coming up, and while we got -- it was very difficult to get up.

BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, how many time has taken -- has elapsed here in this, as you recount the events? Did it seem like hours, minutes, seconds? RODRIGUEZ: No, it wasn't hours.

BROWN: What did it seem like?

RODRIGUEZ: Well there was a big time, like a gap. There was a gap of time. I won't be able to tell you if it was 15 or 20 minutes.

BROWN: OK.

RODRIGUEZ: But there was a gap of time. We heard, while we were on the 33rd floor, I'm sorry on the 23rd floor, because we stopped there with the fire department because their equipped was very heavy and they were breathing very hard. They took a break because they couldn't continue going up. So they wanted take a break.

And we had a person on a wheelchair that we were going to bring down on a gurney, and a lady that was having problems with a heart attack, and some other guy that was bleeding hard. And we went a couple of floors up. While they were putting the person in the gurney, got up to the 39th floor, and we heard on the radio that the 65th floor collapsed. It collapsed.

BROWN: Mr. Rodriguez, let me stop you there at the 65th floor, and let me add you are a lucky man, it seems like, today. Thank you for joining us.

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More at
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originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

Let's see how far this can go, how long this dog can hunt: If you feel you are NOT defending the official account, which account do you feel you are defending?

Can you cite a more credible explanation to supersede impact damage/fire/thermal stress causing inward bowing and buckling leading to collapse at the towers.

You cannot even cite video evidence. The thing you can do is talk about ethnicity. Pitiful.

Thank you sir! This post clearly proves you have no interest in adult conversation and honest dialogue.

You completely evade and ignore a simple question put to you.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

Let's see how far this can go, how long this dog can hunt: If you feel you are NOT defending the official account, which account do you feel you are defending?

Can you cite a more credible explanation to supersede impact damage/fire/thermal stress causing inward bowing and buckling leading to collapse at the towers.

You cannot even cite video evidence. The thing you can do is talk about ethnicity. Pitiful.

Thank you sir! This post clearly proves you have no interest in adult conversation and honest dialogue.

You completely evade and ignore a simple question put to you.

Your the one not citing actual facts? What you going to do, cite who is Jewish?

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

Let's see how far this can go, how long this dog can hunt: If you feel you are NOT defending the official account, which account do you feel you are defending?

Can you cite a more credible explanation to supersede impact damage/fire/thermal stress causing inward bowing and buckling leading to collapse at the towers.

You cannot even cite video evidence. The thing you can do is talk about ethnicity. Pitiful.

Thank you sir! This post clearly proves you have no interest in adult conversation and honest dialogue.

You completely evade and ignore a simple question put to you.

WOW that's good coming from you done any load calculations yet even a simple one you have been given the link before a few times and never an answer

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: Pilgrum
a reply to: Salander

The Rodriguez story (as told by himself) went through some evolution over the years which suggests that the facts were 'embellished' to maintain the audience's interest.
Was what they experienced prior to the actual impact or just prior to them knowing of the impact?
(remember that those workers were inside the bowels of the building and ~1000' from the impact zone)

And yes, whatever happened in the basement was insignificant in relation to the towers collapsing. If it was a planted intentional blast as part of the overall attack then it was a dismal failure. If you compare it to the bombing attack of '93 it's obviously a symptom, not a cause.

It has been a few years now, but I have listened to 4 or 5 different tellings of his story by Rodriguez. One was to a European audience I remember. In my experience, his story never changed, so I'm not sure what sort of 'evolution' you mean.

An explosion that rocked the building causing some people to lose their balance was insignificant? An explosion that generated melting skin on at least one other worker was insignificant? How can that be? How often do such explosions happen in Manhattan?

From the B25 crash into the Empire State Building

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

Gloria Pall worked for the United Service Organization's headquarters on the 56th floor.
"I was at the file cabinet and all of a sudden the building felt like it was just going to topple over," Pall said. "It threw me across the room, and I landed against the wall. People were screaming and looking at each other. We didn't know what to do. We didn't know if it was a bomb or what happened.

A far smaller plane many times lighter and doing half the speed crashed into a building with similar mass to the towers and people thought a bomb had gone off, caused fires over a few floors of a building that wasn't open plan and even a fire in the basement & other buildings due to debris.

a reply to: neutronflux

So the pressure blow out the doors from the openings in basement level 1 and the lobby, hence the pressure in the shaft would reduce. But for the official version to be true, the blast had to take the path of maximum resistance through the bottom of the shaft in Basement 4 (after it had already blown out elevator openings three and four levels above aka pressure reduced), and then blowing walls in at least basement levels 5, 4 and 2. And leaving the elevator-cars burned, but not destroyed. It seems that this is not unlikely, but impossible.

But -according to the official version - the fireball not only destroyed walls in the basement levels, on it's way down it also destroyed parts of the 22nd floor, making the official account even more implausible. Understanding a possible motive to set up additional explosives in the moment of plane impact.

If you look at the floor plans and compare it with the location of the plane impact, we can conclude that there is only a low probability that large amounts of jet-fuel could have spilled down the shafts of Car 6 and 7. This results of course in a lower probability that large amounts of fuel could have contributed to the damage in the basement. The shafts were opposite to the impacted site and where in the center of the core, whereas the fuel in the plane was in the main tanks in the wings, not anymore in the auxiliary tanks in the fuselage and the adjacent area of the wings. NIST never addresses the subject of amount of jet-fuel contributing to the basement explosions.(For more see NIST reports here and here.)

The damage in the lobby showed no signs of fire damage or soot, but it show signs of pressure waves (explosion).
A jet-fuel "explosion" usually produces no shock wave, as it is a deflagration, not a detonation.

Fact is that NIST didn't address the damage in the basement in an appropriate manner. Fact is, if they would do so, the official jet-fuel/fireball theory would have been compromised as implausible and improbable.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: neutronflux

So the pressure blow out the doors from the openings in basement level 1 and the lobby, hence the pressure in the shaft would reduce. But for the official version to be true, the blast had to take the path of maximum resistance through the bottom of the shaft in Basement 4 (after it had already blown out elevator openings three and four levels above aka pressure reduced), and then blowing walls in at least basement levels 5, 4 and 2. And leaving the elevator-cars burned, but not destroyed. It seems that this is not unlikely, but impossible.

But -according to the official version - the fireball not only destroyed walls in the basement levels, on it's way down it also destroyed parts of the 22nd floor, making the official account even more implausible. Understanding a possible motive to set up additional explosives in the moment of plane impact.

If you look at the floor plans and compare it with the location of the plane impact, we can conclude that there is only a low probability that large amounts of jet-fuel could have spilled down the shafts of Car 6 and 7. This results of course in a lower probability that large amounts of fuel could have contributed to the damage in the basement. The shafts were opposite to the impacted site and where in the center of the core, whereas the fuel in the plane was in the main tanks in the wings, not anymore in the auxiliary tanks in the fuselage and the adjacent area of the wings. NIST never addresses the subject of amount of jet-fuel contributing to the basement explosions.(For more see NIST reports here and here.)

The damage in the lobby showed no signs of fire damage or soot, but it show signs of pressure waves (explosion).
A jet-fuel "explosion" usually produces no shock wave, as it is a deflagration, not a detonation.

Really....

I am sure the damage to the elevator doors had nothing to do with the jet impacts cutting elevator cables and elevators crashing.

What explosive device would you say caused “the over pressure” event without soot, fire, or heat. A baking powder and vinegar bomb. You just posted yourself into a hole.


What high energy explosives can cut structural steel without a fireball? What cutting charge can cut steel without burning?

If the damage was from an explosive device that could damage the actual structural steel of the tower, addition to fire damage, soot, and signs of heat there would have been:

One, the sound of detonation on video.
Two, windows blown out of the lobby
Three, broken glass everywhere.
Four, people injured from the pressure wave with ruptured ear drums.
Five, shrapnel damaged that should have broken anything glass.
Six, shrapnel damaged to soild objects.
Seven, the poor soul that was burnt at the elevator would have had severe lacerations from shrapnel. As in like a grenade detonated in from of them.
Eight, demolitions shrapnel would have caused severe injuries and been recovered from the injured, the dead, and with human remains.

Note: shrapnel produced by a high energy explosive is very distinct. It has sharp edges that looked eroded away with burns to the metal.

a reply to: neutronflux

too botish sir....we apprceiate ya though

a reply to: kyleplatinum

Are you saying there was no chance that a jet the tore away core columns and floor slabs did not creat a path to the elevator shafts?

Or that spilled fuel finds the lowest spot.

Or the fire ball explosion when the jet hit thet tower did not find its way down ruptured elevator shafts.

Or the jet impacts did not push pieces of broken floor slabs down the shafts.

And you still have to answer to how a high energy explosive device detonates without a fireball, and produces no shrapnel......

a reply to: kyleplatinum

If explosives only follows the path of least resistance, then by your logic simply tapping C4 to a steel column should never result in blasting the column apart. By your logic, the blast should only expel into the atmosphere.

But that is not how explosives work, is it. Be it from an explosion from C4, or a fireball from a jet loaded with fuel, both make a roughly spherical shock wave that damage items in its path. The sock wave travels through anything it encounters, not magically around solid objects.

So yes, a shock wave from the jet impacts could travel down elevator shafts to damage items in the basement.

a reply to: neutronflux

Two, windows blown out of the lobby Three, broken glass everywhere.

Wow, I had to stop right here... This is crystal clear knowledge and has been since day one.
There was definitely windows blown out of the lobby and glass everywhere, including heavy duty wall tiles broken off the walls. Videos clearly show this.

Please wake up.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: neutronflux

Two, windows blown out of the lobby Three, broken glass everywhere.

Wow, I had to stop right here... This is crystal clear knowledge and has been since day one.
There was definitely windows blown out of the lobby and glass everywhere, including heavy duty wall tiles broken off the walls. Videos clearly show this.

Please wake up.

I stand corrected, limited number of windows in relationships to the elevator shafts where blown out by the explosion of jet fuel. Learn something new every day. The poor souls that were burnt and on fire from the jet fuel in the lobby. You didn’t mention that, did you?

For a detonation of an an explosive capable of cutting steel, please explain...

The detonation whould still have caused soot and a fire ball.

One, the sound of detonation on video.

Four, people injured from the pressure wave with ruptured ear drums.
Five, shrapnel damaged that should have broken anything glass.
Six, shrapnel damaged to soild objects.
Seven, the poor soul that was burnt at the elevator would have had severe lacerations from shrapnel. As in like a grenade detonated in from of them.
Eight, demolitions shrapnel would have caused severe injuries and been recovered from the injured, the dead, and with human remains.


Are you saying there was no chance that a jet the tore away core columns and floor slabs did not creat a path to the elevator shafts?

Or that spilled fuel finds the lowest spot.

Or the fire ball explosion when the jet hit thet tower did not find its way down ruptured elevator shafts.

Or the jet impacts did not push pieces of broken floor slabs down the shafts.

And you still have to answer to how a high energy explosive device detonates without a fireball, and produces no shrapnel....

originally posted by: kyleplatinum
a reply to: neutronflux

Two, windows blown out of the lobby Three, broken glass everywhere.

Wow, I had to stop right here... This is crystal clear knowledge and has been since day one.
There was definitely windows blown out of the lobby and glass everywhere, including heavy duty wall tiles broken off the walls. Videos clearly show this.

Please wake up.

He is wide awake, as in eyes wide shut. He is simply in denial of facts.