Proving Spontaneity of Post-Impact WTC Towers Collapse

originally posted by: wildb
a reply to: MrBig2430

In order to vaporize Led 3600* F must be reached, so yes thats what they believe, not to hard to understand or look up yourself..

As in high temperatures caused by electrical arcing in deranged batteries in battery rooms, electric motors, electrical switch gear, electrical transformers, PC Boards, and computer monitors with a high voltage across the Cathode ray tube? The towers were surely not full of electrical components that used lead and arced / shorted out as fire deranged insulation and battery containment?

a reply to: wildb

If you are going for thermite on the steel columns, I did not know structural steel was full of lead to vaporize.

So, were was the source of lead in the first place?

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: wildb
a reply to: MrBig2430

In order to vaporize Led 3600* F must be reached, so yes thats what they believe, not to hard to understand or look up yourself..

As in high temperatures caused by electrical arcing in deranged batteries in battery rooms, electric motors, electrical switch gear, electrical transformers, PC Boards, and computer monitors with a high voltage across the Cathode ray tube? The towers were surely not full of electrical components that used lead and arced / shorted out as fire deranged insulation and battery containment?

Ahhh maaannn.

You’re giving away the answers and trying to educate these buffoons.

I’m gonna say that’s an exercise in futility though...

originally posted by: MrBig2430

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: wildb
a reply to: MrBig2430

In order to vaporize Led 3600* F must be reached, so yes thats what they believe, not to hard to understand or look up yourself..

As in high temperatures caused by electrical arcing in deranged batteries in battery rooms, electric motors, electrical switch gear, electrical transformers, PC Boards, and computer monitors with a high voltage across the Cathode ray tube? The towers were surely not full of electrical components that used lead and arced / shorted out as fire deranged insulation and battery containment?

Ahhh maaannn.

You’re giving away the answers and trying to educate these buffoons.

I’m gonna say that’s an exercise in futility though...

I believe you can fight ignorance.

But.....

You cannot fight the blatantly biased that will use intellectual dishonesty, and ignore logical questions leveled at them. All the while, enabling the lies of the truth movement in their desperation for a smoking gun.

a reply to: MrBig2430


So you want to have it both ways. You want it to mean that the commission was set up to fail, and that in spite of that, it succeeded. I understand your desperation, but that is nonsensical. It is very much like Coroner Miller's nonsensical statements. First he said they found nothing, hours or days later he said they found it all.

Clearly sir, you are not Mr. Big Analytical.

The commission took the testimony of W. Rodriguez behind closed doors, and then did not include any reference to his testimony. You call that a success?

Only if "success" means they protected the guilty parties and suppressed the truth. Yes, they succeeded in that, and as Senator Dayton noted, they succeeded in making NORAD out to be the liars they are.

The 911 commission was just like the Warren Commission--a government body set up to protect the guilty parties and mislead the public with lip service.

You seem very suggestible--if an authority figure says thus and so, you take it as true no matter the facts.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MrBig2430


So you want to have it both ways. You want it to mean that the commission was set up to fail, and that in spite of that, it succeeded. I understand your desperation, but that is nonsensical. It is very much like Coroner Miller's nonsensical statements. First he said they found nothing, hours or days later he said they found it all.

Clearly sir, you are not Mr. Big Analytical.

The commission took the testimony of W. Rodriguez behind closed doors, and then did not include any reference to his testimony. You call that a success?

Only if "success" means they protected the guilty parties and suppressed the truth. Yes, they succeeded in that, and as Senator Dayton noted, they succeeded in making NORAD out to be the liars they are.

The 911 commission was just like the Warren Commission--a government body set up to protect the guilty parties and mislead the public with lip service.

You seem very suggestible--if an authority figure says thus and so, you take it as true no matter the facts.

Who is talking about the commission?

If you want to talk about the commission, start a new thread.

That does not change your false beliefs...

There is no evidence or science nukes were used at the WTC. There is no evidence or science a nuclear reaction kept the pile hot for 90 day’s. Beliefs total founded on debunked pseudoscience.

The jets that impacted the WTC had the kinetic energy to severe vertical and core columns. I think one of the flights had 7 tons of fuel in each wing. That alone makes each wing a 7 ton bullet full of nearly incompressible liquid.

The only credible explanation for the towers collapse is the vertical column inward bowing and buckling from impact/fire/ thermal stress damage.

The only explanation for the damage at the pentagon is a large commercial jet impact.

The only credible explanation for shanksville was a large commercial jet full of people nosing into the ground.

a reply to: Salander

I like how people fight you ignorance with credible evidence, credible civilian accounts, and science.

While all you have is sensational bait and hook propaganda based only in innuendo which are the hallmarks of a corrupt group of individuals.....

a reply to: neutronflux

I believe you can fight ignorance.

Not if in the words of General Russell Honore they are "Stuck on Stupid" ......

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originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MrBig2430


You want it to mean that the commission was set up to fail, and that in spite of that, it succeeded. .

Yes.

When they state in the beginning that they’re set up to fail, it’s an announcement to anyone listening that they’re aware of the circumstances. And one can then infer that since they’re announcing it, they’re gonna do everything in their power to overcome it.

It’s an open admission to the obstacles they’re going to have to overcome. There’s no hiding anything. If they were “ in on it” there wouldn’t be any announcement.

And to say it over, at the end they AGAIN repeat that they had obstacles, that some witnesses lied to them, and despite all that they believe they got the full story of the intelligence failures.

Now, in the real world, where the sky is blue, openly admitting obstacles and in some cases telling the world just WHO lied to them makes a 99.999% case that they aren’t covering up what happened.

Only a retard would think otherwise.

The only case to be made is just what set the field that resulted in those failures.

I’ve gone on record saying that Clinton’s policies were the reason. He was the one that wanted the “wall” put in place. Jamie Gorelick was the one that actually spearheaded that, and she was on the commission to protect Clinton’s legacy cuz the Dems always had plans to have Hildebeast run for Prez. And who was the Clinton advisor that got caught smuggling documents? What were on those documents and any others he had smuggled out? Was he protecting Clinton too?

What did Bush get in return? Backing from the Dems for the Patriot Act. And the war on terror - which had Democrat legislators rescinding their backing almost Immediately.

There is no logical reason to think that the CR was a coverup for an inside job. None whatsoever. I have no idea how you see an open admission as evidence of a coverup. None whatsoever.

There is every reason to believe that it was a political cover up.

I guess that my point escapes you though cuz you are unable to separate the two.

Well, that’s not unexpected cuz your analytical skills are so damaged, you believe in nukes at the WTC.

😂😂😂😂

a reply to: MrBig2430

Playing the part of salandar: But but but commercial jets sometimes float......


www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: MrBig2430


Yessir, your 'point' does escape me. You present here psychobabble, because the 911 Commission was the modern day version of the Warren Commission. It promulgates a lie, presents false information while suppressing important and relevant facts. That you stumble along trying to defend the scientific and intellectual integrity of a political cover-up is typical for those who actually still buy into the government story.

No sir, your tortured thinking is not persuasive in the least.

a reply to: Salander

It promulgates a lie, presents false information while suppressing important and relevant facts.

And yet after 16 years the conspiracy side hasn't been able to prove any of it's claims.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: MrBig2430


Yessir, your 'point' does escape me. You present here psychobabble, because the 911 Commission was the modern day version of the Warren Commission. It promulgates a lie, presents false information while suppressing important and relevant facts. That you stumble along trying to defend the scientific and intellectual integrity of a political cover-up is typical for those who actually still buy into the government story.

No sir, your tortured thinking is not persuasive in the least.

Again what does the commission have to do with your beliefs of WTC Nukes, no commercial jet at the pentagon, no commercial jet at shankville.

There is no evidence or science nukes were used at the WTC. There is no evidence or science a nuclear reaction kept the pile hot for 90 day’s. Beliefs total founded on debunked pseudoscience.

The jets that impacted the WTC had the kinetic energy to severe vertical and core columns. I think one of the flights had 7 tons of fuel in each wing. That alone makes each wing a 7 ton bullet full of nearly incompressible liquid.

The only credible explanation for the towers collapse is the vertical column inward bowing and buckling from impact/fire/ thermal stress damage.

The only explanation for the damage at the pentagon is a large commercial jet impact.

The only credible explanation for shanksville was a large commercial jet full of people nosing into the ground.

The Deep State used Tesla Death Ray, on 9/11

a reply to: samkent


That is true Sam. 16 years later and the official conspiracy theory is as scientifically and intellectually bankrupt as it was on 15 September 2001. Impossible cell phone calls, wrong airplanes in the wrong places, no airplanes in other places, heads of the committee acknowledging they were set up to fail, a Senator calling NORAD liars, suppression of information and facts.

16 years later and the story is still a bright and shining lie.

a reply to: Salander

One, cell phone records have nothing to do with actual radar data, physical impact damage, and civilian eyewitness accounts by the scores.

Please cite how your misunderstanding of the cell phone calls scientifically disproves the radar tracking data.

Funny you ignore the verified calls made from aircraft on 9/11.

The cell phone calls were made at altitudes that did not prohibit connections. Is that a false statement. Cell phone calls under 10,000 feet in areas of cell phone towers in 2001 would connect.

Are you actually using information from the commission concerning the cell phone calls. The commission you have been discrediting? A stance by the commission contradicted at the Zacarias Moussaoui trial?

Operators at phone companies attest to some of the calls. Is that false.

All jets were tracked from takeoff by radar to the crash sites. No, there is no evidence the wrong jets were at the wrong place.

There is no other credible explanation for what happen at the pentagon than a large commercial jet impact.
The Pentagon Attack: Problems with Theories Alternative to Large Plane Impact
First Published January, 2011. Version 3, April 2016.
www.scientistsfor911truth.org...

There is no other explanation how a thirty foot wide crater, scorched trees, a large debris field of wreckage/human remains/luggage, and jet wreckage ended up buried in an area 70’x70’ by 40’ deep than a jet with a 12 diameter fuselage nosed into the crash site at high speed at shanksville. Or what human remains were released to families for burial.

At a 9/11 Site, a ‘Last Funeral’
At Flight 93 Crash Site, a ‘Last Funeral’

mobile.nytimes.com...://www.google.com/

At least some remains were recovered and matched for all 40 on board (in fact, for all 44, including the four terrorists). But the amounts were tiny — much less, even in total, than those that were unidentified.

The matching of remains for everyone killed here distinguishes this site from the scenes of the two other Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, where not all of the remains have been identified.

a reply to: Salander

Why do you argue the propaganda of the truth movement?

How about we talk about the pseudoscience of the truth movement?

Lasers and holograms at the WTC?
Nukes at the WTC?
Dustification at the WTC?
Mythical fizzle no flash explosives at the WTC?
Fraudulent claims of thermite at the WTC.

That a recovered sunken Russian 4 foot diameter missile was stolen, repaired, retrofitted, launched and some how made a large 757 shaped whole in the pentagon while not exploding the interior of the pentagon out on to the lawn? Or how it did not blow the roof off, or how it did not blow windows out.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: samkent


That is true Sam. 16 years later and the official conspiracy theory is as scientifically and intellectually bankrupt as it was on 15 September 2001. Impossible cell phone calls, wrong airplanes in the wrong places, no airplanes in other places, heads of the committee acknowledging they were set up to fail, a Senator calling NORAD liars, suppression of information and facts.

16 years later and the story is still a bright and shining lie.

And yet after 16 years there's still no alternative story that stands up to any kind of speculation. Ah well, official story it is then.

a reply to: mrthumpy


Oh there are plenty of explanations, all very credible.

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

But in order to understand what he shows, one must first be able to understand that the official story does not comply with the facts or the laws of physics.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: mrthumpy


Oh there are plenty of explanations, all very credible.

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

But in order to understand what he shows, one must first be able to understand that the official story does not comply with the facts or the laws of physics.

And still nothing from you.