Proving Spontaneity of Post-Impact WTC Towers Collapse

a reply to: mrthumpy


More than you are comfortable with, more than you can engage...

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: mrthumpy


More than you are comfortable with, more than you can engage...

And yet another empty post from you. I'll add it to the growing pile

a reply to: Salander

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

Bollyn is a conspiracy hack for the AMERICAN FREE PRESS, successor to the scurrilous conspiracy rag THE SPOTLIGHT.

He is known as a virulent anti Jewish (Semite)

He was an "advisor" to Dylan Avery and his clown posse, feeding them much of the crap which made it into LOOSE CHANGE
and became the backbone of the "TRUTHER" conspiracy fables

I ask you are you an anti Semite or do you like the rest of the scum hide behind "Anti Zionist"

a reply to: mrthumpy

And yet another empty post from you. I'll add it to the growing pile

Correction - that's growing "steaming" pile .......

a reply to: Salander

So, did Israel plant the mythical fizzle no flash explosives at the WTC?

Nice of you to outline what is credible?

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: mrthumpy


Oh there are plenty of explanations, all very credible.

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

But in order to understand what he shows, one must first be able to understand that the official story does not comply with the facts or the laws of physics.

So, it wasn’t Bush that planted the mythical fizzle no flash explosives at the WTC?

Was is your view, Israel or the US was the mastermind of 9/11?

This seems more like you grasping at straws? Hoping any conspiracy is true in your desperation to validate your false conspiracy religion of nukes at the WTC, and no jets on 9/11?

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Salander

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

Bollyn is a conspiracy hack for the AMERICAN FREE PRESS, successor to the scurrilous conspiracy rag THE SPOTLIGHT.

He is known as a virulent anti Jewish (Semite)

He was an "advisor" to Dylan Avery and his clown posse, feeding them much of the crap which made it into LOOSE CHANGE
and became the backbone of the "TRUTHER" conspiracy fables

I ask you are you an anti Semite or do you like the rest of the scum hide behind "Anti Zionist"

It is amusing to see the many personal attacks on Bollyn by apologists and defenders of the official fairy tale.

I've been reading his work since about 2005, and IMO his work provides the most perspective on the events of the day. Being married to a Jewish woman, his perspective is excellent. Neither he nor I are anti-Semitic, but both of us call a spade a spade. The role of criminal Israelis in the events of 911 is very clear. The so-called Dancing Israelis are but icing on the very large cake.

He's married to a Jewish woman, I have many Jewish friends.

That you must call me and him anti-Semitic reveals clearly the absolute weakness of your nonsensical position in the discussion. You cannot prove the absurd story, so you must call others racial slurs.

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

originally posted by: Salander

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Salander

Probably the most thorough private investigator is Chrisopher Bollyn. www.bollyn.com

From the beginning he has discovered the most information, and it all strongly suggests the role of Israel in the events of the day.

Bollyn is a conspiracy hack for the AMERICAN FREE PRESS, successor to the scurrilous conspiracy rag THE SPOTLIGHT.

He is known as a virulent anti Jewish (Semite)

He was an "advisor" to Dylan Avery and his clown posse, feeding them much of the crap which made it into LOOSE CHANGE
and became the backbone of the "TRUTHER" conspiracy fables

I ask you are you an anti Semite or do you like the rest of the scum hide behind "Anti Zionist"

It is amusing to see the many personal attacks on Bollyn by apologists and defenders of the official fairy tale.

I've been reading his work since about 2005, and IMO his work provides the most perspective on the events of the day. Being married to a Jewish woman, his perspective is excellent. Neither he nor I are anti-Semitic, but both of us call a spade a spade. The role of criminal Israelis in the events of 911 is very clear. The so-called Dancing Israelis are but icing on the very large cake.

He's married to a Jewish woman, I have many Jewish friends.

That you must call me and him anti-Semitic reveals clearly the absolute weakness of your nonsensical position in the discussion. You cannot prove the absurd story, so you must call others racial slurs.

When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

Please quote who here is defending the official account.

Your the one excusing the blatant lies of the truth movement.

Would you please layout the science of why you think nukes were used at the WTC.

Your hypocrisy is well documented and known.

a reply to: Salander

Funny you talk about friends and who is married to who instead of listing credible facts from the individuals arguments?

a reply to: neutronflux

Would you please layout the science of why you think nukes were used at the WTC.

Because he said so.

a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: neutronflux


You are defending the official story NF. And others.

Aren't you? If you think you are not defending, please explain why.

Quote from my posts where I am defending the official account? I am critical of the US government hiding its incompetence. The minimal usage of concrete used in the towers beyond common practice. And puzzled how and why the terrorists were allowed in the USA and got to stay.

For the twin towers, the proof is that several factors from impact damage, missing fire protection, fire, and thermal stress caused floor trusses to contracted and pulled in the vertical columns of the towers to initiate the collapse as seen in the video in this linked to thread...

the-pre-collapse-inward-bowing-of-wtc2.t4760/
www.metabunk.org...

It was not nukes that would have caused an audible explosion, EPM pulse, would have blown out windows, and caused wide spread radiation deaths and illnesses within minutes of detention.

It wasn’t explosives in the basement. No audible proof, every floor above the explosion would have buckled. Not the isolated areas of outer buckling shown in video evidence.

All proof of thermite was debunked or proven fraudulent. Any way, there is no way a mythical fizzle no flash CD system which has never been used in a high rise CD would have servived the jet impacts and fires. A CD system that AE claims had to remove the resistance of ever tower floor.

Nor was it the power of Dustification captured from a hurricane.

So Salander, please state what theory has more credibility to supersede impact damage, fire, and thermal stress.

You and the truth movement’s false arguments. While individuals like you enable the con artists of the truth movement that exploit 9/11 for personal gain. The hypocrisy. Shame on you.

a reply to: neutronflux

Something did happen in the basement and that's never been adequately explained (& probably never will be). I suspect it was from the fuel/air explosion travelling through the elevator shafts immediately after impact but that's only a theory and there is a lot of confusion over the timing of observations in relation to the impacts.

The only certainty is that whatever happened in the basement was not instrumental in the ultimate collapses which started at the impact zones. The basement area essentially survived whatever it was down there.

a reply to: Pilgrum

Do you know much about the claim a person was killed by a gun shot,and found before the towers collapsed? I couldn’t find on google,but thought I read about it months ago?

a reply to: neutronflux

Haven't heard that story before but anything could have happened in all that chaos and confusion on the day. Mistaken identity or intent included.

a reply to: neutronflux

Lot of bizarre stuff got reported in the confusion/chaos that day. Lot of people thought they saw or heard
things that day - would often give uninformed opinion of what they thought happened

Most of it was explained away in the ensuing weeks/months as more information became available and were able to
piece together the story

Conspiracy types are notorious for cherry picking little bits and using them as "prof" of their conspiracy fantasy.....

a reply to: Salander

The FBI center holding the records of the investigations exploded before the first plane struck. Rescue teams had already reached the FBI offices before the first plane struck. Towers 7, 4 and 6 all exploded, and the records in those towers were also destroyed. The $2.3 trillion that Rumsfeld announced the day before can be traced to some of these investigations. There was much to be lost by many bankers, brokers, and CIA politicians and operatives in those investigations

themillenniumreport.com...

That was the reason for the attack to destroy the evidence and the investigation in those offices. It was most likely done by timed explosives placed months prior to the attacks.

A cascading series of explosions timed with the speed at which the structure fell due to gravity. Brilliant really.

a reply to: neutronflux

It's a vast conspiracy including elements of the Russian KGB, Israeli Mossad and Saudi Al Mukhabarat Al A'amah along with US CIA and other operatives.

The purpose was to destroy financial records being investigated related to the Brady bonds and GATA's inquires into gold price rigging by Barrick and UBS.

originally posted by: UnderKingsPeak

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

How does an office fire 93 stories up cause a spontaneous collapse of all 110 stories in 10-11 sec ?

Only people without degrees talk like this.
You have only to ask your local fire department why they won't enter a burning Walmart and you will have your answer.

First of all rude.
People with degrees think kerosene and paper
can destroy 90+ floors of steel concrete gypsum and glass
in 10 seconds ? Keep your degree then .
Why not use kerosene and carpet to
demolish all buildings. Way less expensive.

No people with no understanding of construction or physics think like you.

It wasn't just fire that brought the buildings down the planes caused structural damage fire weakend the steel, walls buckled shown on video and when the collapse started the dynamic load destroyed the buildings.

a reply to: Antipathy17

Some on here will have seen or read this on a thread I started which shows what happened when a B25 bomber crashed into the Empire State Building in fog the date Saturday July 28 1945.

An aircraft which was just under 16 tons max takeoff weight, just under 68ft wing span and 53ft long with a max air speed of 275 mph. It impacted around the 79th floor.

Here are some interesting quotes

Upon impact, the plane’s jet fuel exploded, filling the interior of the building with flames all the way down to the 75th floor and sending flames out of the hole the plane had ripped open in the building’s side.

Now although this plane had a maximum of 974 gallons if fully loaded with fuel (not 10,000) it still managed to cause fires over 4 floors in a building that wasn't open plan like the Towers. Now how many times has it been claimed on here by the truther side that ALL the fuel would be burnt in the explosion so as we can see they are WRONG.

While the 78th and 79th floors bore the brunt of the damage, one of the B-25's engines fell down an elevator shaft and set off a major fire in the basement. The other engine hurtled across the building and tore through seven walls before emerging from the 33rd Street side of the tower. The debris crashed through the roof of a thirteen-story building across the street where another fire erupted. Other heavy wreckage, including the landing gear, also caused damage to the Empire State and nearby buildings while Stan Lomax reportedly saw part of a wing catapulting towards Madison Avenue.

Similar to events on 9/11

Gloria Pall worked for the United Service Organization's headquarters on the 56th floor.
"I was at the file cabinet and all of a sudden the building felt like it was just going to topple over," Pall said. "It threw me across the room, and I landed against the wall. People were screaming and looking at each other. We didn't know what to do. We didn't know if it was a bomb or what happened.

So people thought that a bomb went off

Or how about this someone hitching a lift to the base the aircraft was going to.

The body of the Navy hitch-hiker Albert Perna was found two days after the crash at the bottom of an elevator shaft

So his body was thrown out of the aircraft, it just shows that you can never make assumptions because of what you think should happen.

Sometimes even wood survives a fire better than steel.



Bent steel over charred wood after a building fire.