The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

a reply to: CromCruachh

Hm, the AI thing is an interesting angle. Kinda fitting.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
For side reading, I highly suggest 2 fantastic books. Both can be gotten at a public library. Both are easy and enjoyable to read.

Beyond Biocentrism by Adam Lanza

and

Surviving Death by Leslie Kean

This CIA paper will also help immensely. This is the source of everything I posted earlier.

www.cia.gov...

The gateway and brain hemisphere-sync paper does contain some information about how the CIA historically operates.

As a result of FOIA requests in the 1990's concerning the agencies wartime gateway operations a sculpture was declassified.

Known as the Kryptos sculpture in the old CIA courtyard, one side of the sculpture is primarily just a repeating set of characters while the other side uses wartime ciphers such as Vigenère and German enigma style rotor offsets to encrypt the text. Decrypting the text reveals a further word problem "Iqlusion" ("my" emphasis chose math).

CIA doesn't seem to want the puzzle cracked and published in the math journals but it is the best CIA example of the gate hemisphere synch I've run across. Probably not even enough interest on ATS to link it though.

a reply to: sputniksteve

That CIA paper could be a thread all on it's own -

- especially considering that it's missing a page...

...what do you suppose is on page 25 that they wouldn't want us to know?

originally posted by: Cauliflower

originally posted by: sputniksteve
For side reading, I highly suggest 2 fantastic books. Both can be gotten at a public library. Both are easy and enjoyable to read.

Beyond Biocentrism by Adam Lanza

and

Surviving Death by Leslie Kean

This CIA paper will also help immensely. This is the source of everything I posted earlier.

www.cia.gov...

The gateway and brain hemisphere-sync paper does contain some information about how the CIA historically operates.

As a result of FOIA requests in the 1990's concerning the agencies wartime gateway operations a sculpture was declassified.

Known as the Kryptos sculpture in the old CIA courtyard, one side of the sculpture is primarily just a repeating set of characters while the other side uses wartime ciphers such as Vigenère and German enigma style rotor offsets to encrypt the text. Decrypting the text reveals a further word problem "Iqlusion" ("my" emphasis chose math).

CIA doesn't seem to want the puzzle cracked and published in the math journals but it is the best CIA example of the gate hemisphere synch I've run across. Probably not even enough interest on ATS to link it though.

By all means please link man!

originally posted by: lostgirl
a reply to: sputniksteve

That CIA paper could be a thread all on it's own -

- especially considering that it's missing a page...

...what do you suppose is on page 25 that they wouldn't want us to know?

I agree it is a really fascinating paper. As straight forward as that paper is I can't imagine what would be left out. Something that may get someone in actual trouble would be my only real guess.

Corpus callosum is Latin for "tough body," and intuitively I think there may be a link between the human corpus callosum and the subject in the CIA paper. Gazzaniga developed what he calls the interpreter theory to explain why people — including split-brain patients — have a unified sense of self and mental life.

just had a read of that paper its awesome ! not quite done yet so ill be back to stick my twopenneth worth in shortly

originally posted by: sputniksteve
For side reading, I highly suggest 2 fantastic books. Both can be gotten at a public library. Both are easy and enjoyable to read.

Beyond Biocentrism by Adam Lanza

and

Surviving Death by Leslie Kean

This CIA paper will also help immensely. This is the source of everything I posted earlier.

www.cia.gov...

its by Robert lanza how strange you put adam

a reply to: dingdongdoodah

Lol. I good catch, I always think Adam for some reason and have to consciously type Robert.

Just wanted to update everyone a little bit since my activity has stagnated the last few days. The situation that led me to having an abundance of free time, all the free time really has gone back to normal which means I am back to working 12 hour days.

My interest or intent has not waned in the slightest. I still have a whole lot more to say about all of this, as well as other work to accomplish for the greater community. I was a little concerned about getting all of this information out as soon as possible, but the simple truth is no on else seems to have this book anyway so timing is not critical. The other aspects regarding that should be self evident from the story anyway.

In any case I have tomorrow off and plan to get some work done. I am still thinking about this all day, to the point that when I get home and it's 3am and I slept 4 hours the night before and worked all day and I still can't fall asleep because my mind is reeling, and weird things happen to me sometimes in bed which get me thinking in new directions and perspectives. Frankly it is a little much, but I think once I get some of the other media started the restlessness will die down hopefully. With my luck it will ramp back up, but I am young and healthy and hopefully can handle it.

Please keep sharing and thinking guys. I don't believe there are any wrong answers or ideas really at this point. You never know what thought will peel the paint up and reveal a masterpiece.

a reply to: sputniksteve

I I'm following this for more of your input on the book like a religion and just been having a lil look through other reading materials you recommended . I haven't got through the other stuff fully yet I have three children one whom is five months so I do most of my reading at night or when she sleeps. I did start reading 1984 again but haven't got anywhere as this thread has consumed my free time which I'm not grumbling at as its awesome I haven't been this hooked on a thread in donkeys! so thanks very much and keep posting and I shall keep reading! xox

originally posted by: dingdongdoodah
a reply to: sputniksteve

I I'm following this for more of your input on the book like a religion and just been having a lil look through other reading materials you recommended . I haven't got through the other stuff fully yet I have three children one whom is five months so I do most of my reading at night or when she sleeps. I did start reading 1984 again but haven't got anywhere as this thread has consumed my free time which I'm not grumbling at as its awesome I haven't been this hooked on a thread in donkeys! so thanks very much and keep posting and I shall keep reading! xox

That is fantastic. I think other reading is crucial to looking at this book. I see it looks like you are in UK and I don't know how your public libraries are but that is where I found both Leslie Keans book and Robert Lanzas.

a reply to: sputniksteve
our libraries are not too bad I was thinking of seeing if I can find vertical plane there too I will let you know what I find .

Thank-you sputniksteve for the great thread.I hadn't heard of Ken Webster's book before and or the events in Dodleston. It's very interesting and a cook book for ideas.Really enjoying this, and the contributions of the community, here.

Earlier, you had brought up a torus shaped model of the universe and how it could relate to the Poltergeist activity and consciousness. Having contemplated similar things before, I have found that imagining and visualizing models on those scale can be taxing. Imo, the concentration and focus it uses requires a lot of energy.It could just be me, though I thought this was worth mentioning.

You've put much work into this thread, and your passion for the topic shines through.I have burnt myself out before keeping a similar work schedule, while investigating similar ideas.Please, remember to eat well and get proper sleep.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

I have found that imagining and visualizing models on those scale can be taxing. Imo, the concentration and focus it uses requires a lot of energy.

I really need to apologize to Steve since I tend to post rather banally whenever I read anything esoteric.
To use geek terminology I tend to read little endian and post Big endian as others have noted..

www.cs.umd.edu...

But you can learn from that..

a reply to: Cauliflower
Your posts itt, seem relevant to me.(not banal)I haven't heard of little or Big endian, before. Thanks Cauliflower.

originally posted by: dffrntkndfnml
Thank-you sputniksteve for the great thread.I hadn't heard of Ken Webster's book before and or the events in Dodleston. It's very interesting and a cook book for ideas.Really enjoying this, and the contributions of the community, here.

Earlier, you had brought up a torus shaped model of the universe and how it could relate to the Poltergeist activity and consciousness. Having contemplated similar things before, I have found that imagining and visualizing models on those scale can be taxing. Imo, the concentration and focus it uses requires a lot of energy.It could just be me, though I thought this was worth mentioning.

You've put much work into this thread, and your passion for the topic shines through.I have burnt myself out before keeping a similar work schedule, while investigating similar ideas.Please, remember to eat well and get proper sleep.

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it. I agree on the concepts being very taxing, I honestly had to run all of those through my head in a cycle for a few hours in order for them to take shape. I am not the best at expressing that difficulty without sounding patronizing, as they are extremely difficult subjects that certainly don't come to me easy. I have to work hard to try and understand them.

In yet another weird turn of events it looks like my schedule is back to being all of the free time, so while I will probably take tomorrow off starting Monday I am going to treat this like my full time job until I have completed what I want to complete.

originally posted by: Cauliflower
a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

I have found that imagining and visualizing models on those scale can be taxing. Imo, the concentration and focus it uses requires a lot of energy.

I really need to apologize to Steve since I tend to post rather banally whenever I read anything esoteric.
To use geek terminology I tend to read little endian and post Big endian as others have noted..

www.cs.umd.edu...

But you can learn from that..

Apology humbly accepted, thank you Cauli. Obviously you have interesting things to say, so lets hear them instead!!

originally posted by: dingdongdoodah
a reply to: sputniksteve
our libraries are not too bad I was thinking of seeing if I can find vertical plane there too I will let you know what I find .

I think you are getting clever now too

Just read that CIA doc. The model of physics theorized in that paper caters to the 2109 statements. Remember 2109 claim
other dimensions exist, we have a soul which can travel, and their position in the universe is 'everywhere'. One example;
What you would call a tachyon universe … We move at a speed so that we cover every point in your time and universe.

aand a quote from the cia doc;
Physicists define time as a measurement of energy or force in motion. In other words, it is a measurement of change. However, in order for energy to be in motion it must first be limited in some way within the confines of some sort of vibratory pattern so that it's confinement gives it the capacity for being contained at a specific location which is distinguishable from other locations(space). Energy which is not confined is force without limit, without dimension, without the limits of form.It is infinity, cannot move because there is nothing beyond infinity, and is therefore outside of the dimension of time. It is also beyond space because that concept implies that a specific energy form is limited to a specific location and is absent from other locations. Energy in infinity means energy uniformly extended without limit. It has no beginning, no end, no location. It is conscious force, the fundamental, primal power of existence WIHOUT FORM, a state of infinite being. and Energy in this state of inactive infinity is termed by physicists as energy in absolute state, or simply "The Absolute". Between the absolute and the material universe in which we experience our physical existence are various intervening dimensions. (which we cannot perceive unless we enter an altered state of consciousness)

So in order for 2109 to exist outside of our time, and for them to be 'incorporeal beings' wihtout shape or form, they must be in the absolute energy state, peering into all the other intervening dimensions. That would explain why they see the futures and the pasts and why they exist everywhere at once. OR perhaps they are a few degrees south of the Absolute dimension.



damn, there's so much to discuss it's hard to know where to begin!

I'm going to study this properly for a while longer, then post back in a few days.

BTW, steve, how did you come across that released CIA doc?