Sweden on the Brink of Civil War, National Police Chief: “help us, help us!”

a reply to: heavymental

I don't disagree that radical Islam is a serious problem, other than that I'm not entertaining the premise of the OP.
Cheers

nvm

originally posted by: PublicOpinion

Hear for yourself, make up your own mind.

"20-30 years of socio-economic developments going in the wrong direction"

"It has nothing to do with migration in 2015"

Yes, blaming this on refugees is a lie and utter political drivel.

Are you saying that socio-economic developments don't include government expenditures, jobs or housing?

These refugees are not self-supporting. Nobody is funding them except the Swedish taxpayers.

Food, housing, medical care, education, law enforcement and emergency services add up.

How many refugees do you think a small population like Sweden can support before their economy tanks in debt?

I dare say the money is least of Sweden's problems.

a reply to: sine.nomine

This isn't reaping what you sow. This is the government making bad decisions and stating "to hell with it, we will just let our citizens figure things out." The citizens should really consider taking business in their capitol before dealing with the rest of the problems. If the don't, then you will see the bad guys get away.

a reply to: sine.nomine

double post, my bad.



since I can't do anything about the double post, have a video.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yeah its interesting. When people go on about how great socialism is, look at Sweden, can we now say that is garbage.

I mean, if its not immigrants, it must be all of those socialist systems.

It will be fun to watch some on the far left have to struggle what to blame, open borders or socialist type policies.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: heavymental

I don't disagree that radical Islam is a serious problem, other than that I'm not entertaining the premise of the OP.
Cheers

Well, to each it's own. However, i have seen people in conflict areas also make claims that "things are not that bad". Some people would rather not admit reality even if it is right in front of them.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yeah its interesting. When people go on about how great socialism is, look at Sweden, can we now say that is garbage.

I mean, if its not immigrants, it must be all of those socialist systems.

It will be fun to watch some on the far left have to struggle what to blame, open borders or socialist type policies.

Yeah, but Sweden is not a socialist nation. And it has never been one, either.

In common with the other Scandinavian nations, Sweden has a welfare system and recognises trades unions, and its economy is free market capitalism. It's called "The Nordic Model" and is generally agreed to be one of the most efficient forms of government on the planet.

It's possible that the 'socialism' myth has arisen from the fact that some analysts describe Sweden as a 'social democracy'. It's a simple word-confusion, nothing more.

Sweden is not a socialist nation, and its current problems have nothing to do with the way the place is run and everything to do with an international calamity that no-one planned for, because no-one expected it.

originally posted by: audubon

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Asktheanimals

Yeah its interesting. When people go on about how great socialism is, look at Sweden, can we now say that is garbage.

I mean, if its not immigrants, it must be all of those socialist systems.

It will be fun to watch some on the far left have to struggle what to blame, open borders or socialist type policies.

Yeah, but Sweden is not a socialist nation. And it has never been one, either.

In common with the other Scandinavian nations, Sweden has a welfare system and recognises trades unions, and its economy is free market capitalism. It's called "The Nordic Model" and is generally agreed to be one of the most efficient forms of government on the planet.

It's possible that the 'socialism' myth has arisen from the fact that some analysts describe Sweden as a 'social democracy'. It's a simple word-confusion, nothing more.

Sweden is not a socialist nation, and its current problems have nothing to do with the way the place is run and everything to do with an international calamity that no-one planned for, because no-one expected it.

Oh yes I know you are 100% right.

I should be more careful with my phrasing.

The problem is, socialist in the US always cite the nordic countries as an example, and so I am merely pointing out that they would have to either criticize an economic model they tout, or criticize the immigration policy.

a reply to: Kettu

The rhetoric is very good at stifling conversation and serves as a very good distraction.

www.thelocal.se... take one look at Swedish newspapers and see this posting is total BS. There is no panic, nothing happening in Sweden...just more hate mongering.

a reply to: Grambler

If "socialists" in the USA point at the Nordic Model (which isn't really socialist at all) ... then these people aren't truly socialists.

In fact, I'd wager that these folks don't call themselves "socialists" -- rather that moniker is given to them by people more conservative than them.

Just a theory of mine from personal observation.

Meh.

originally posted by: Kettu
In fact, I'd wager that these folks don't call themselves "socialists" -- rather that moniker is given to them by people more conservative than them.

I'd gladly join you in that wager.

a reply to: KeithCooper
From the local.se
www.thelocal.se...

"In especially vulnerable areas religious extremism is often prevalent (terror expert Magnus Ranstorp has told The Local that these are often hotspots for recruitment to militant groups). They are also areas where police regularly have to adapt their methods to the volatile situation and residents often do not report crimes, either out of fear of reprisals or because they think it will not lead to anything"

a reply to: KeithCooper

Several Swedish users appear to have said the same thing, but they just get shouted down as liars.

The extent this lot will go to, to have their agenda accepted as fact, is staggering.

"That would make me wrong, therefore you lie"

Deny Ignorance, my ass.

The quote from The Local isn't quite so scary when you look at the number of vague words and unknown quantities.

originally posted by: fernalley
"In especially vulnerable areas (How many of these are there?) religious extremism (Defined as?) is often (How often?) prevalent (How prevalent?) (terror expert Magnus Ranstorp has told The Local that these are often (How often?) hotspots for recruitment (How successful?) to militant (How is this term defined?) groups (Of what size?)).

I mean, for a 'terror expert' (do they do certificates in this subject?) Magnus Ranstorp doesn't seem to be in command of his data.

But yes, there clearly are problem areas where there has been an increase in crime and extra policing is needed. That's not in dispute. What's in dispute is the claim that these areas are 'no-go' areas.

I'm not being sarcastic when I say that for a problem that is supposedly corrupting Sweden's urban settlements, there isn't much solid reporting to study. And this is unlikely to be the result of any censorship, since Sweden is in second place (after Norway) in the top nations for press freedom.

I mean, I've not made any great study of this, but my impression is of a lot of rumour and scaremongering without much to back it up. I could be completely wrong on this, and maybe someone will show me how wrong I am.

(1) www.youtube.com...

This video is interesting, at the end of the video, there is an interview with Swedish people. They are reluctant to blame the behavior of the migrants as being part of their culture. They seem brainwashed or even afraid to speak truthfully about the culture clash. Yet they will also say there has been more violence since the migrants arrived. One woman even blames rape and violence as being part of men's behavior. How come the level of rape and violence was not an issue before the migrants showed up? Just men being men? That's a huge insult.

The reporter in the video is also attacked while in a no go zone.

Mumford and Sons (band) will not play in Sweden due to sexual assualts that occured at the music festival they performed at.
(2) www.youtube.com...

More in depth video (strong language warning) (3) www.youtube.com...

The attacks at the music festival match the style of attack suffered by a CBS reporter in Egypt. First video at around 4 minute mark describes the tactic which was used.

(4) www.youtube.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

This headline is mindblowing whoa! It's making my head spin just imagining how we got here.

Especially vulnerable areas, according to the police's 2017 report:

Vivalla, Örebro
Gottsunda, Uppsala
Alby, Botkyrka
Fittja, Botkyrka
Hallunda/Norsborg, Botkyrka
Husby, Stockholm
Rinkeby/Tensta, Stockholm
Ronna/Geneta/Lina, Södertälje
Araby, Växjö
Karlslund, Landskrona
Nydala/Hermodsdal/Lindängen, Malmö
Rosengård south of Amiralsgatan, Malmö
Southern Sofielund (Seved), Malmö
Bergsjön, Gothenburg
Biskopsgården, Gothenburg
Gårdsten, Gothenburg
Hammarkullen, Gothenburg
Hjällbo, Gothenburg
Lövgärdet, Gothenburg
Tynnered/Grevgården/Opaltorget, Västra Frölunda
Hässleholmen/Hulta, Borås
Norrby, Borås
Skäggetorp, Linköping

Vulnerable areas

Bäckby, Västerås
Brandbergen, Haninge
Jordbro, Haninge
Skogås, Huddinge
Sångvägen, Järfälla
Termovägen, Järfälla
Edsberg, Sollentuna
Bredäng, Stockholm
Hagsätra/Rågsved, Stockholm
Hässelby/Vällingby, Stockholm
Vårberg, Stockholm
Älvsjö/Solberga, Stockholm
Östberga, Stockholm
Rissne/Hallonbergen, Sundbyberg
Fornhöjden, Södertälje
Hovsjö, Södertälje
Finnsta, Upplands Bro
Smedby, Upplands Väsby
Charlottesborg, Kristianstad
Gamlegården, Kristianstad
Hisings Backa, Gothenburg
Rannebergen, Gothenburg
Andersberg, Halmstad
Kronogården/Lextorp, Trollhättan
Fröslunda, Eskilstuna
Lagersberg, Eskilstuna
Skiftinge, Eskilstuna
Råslätt, Jönköping
Hageby, Norrköping
Klockaretorpet, Norrkö

There is more but my cut and paste is vulnerable and how much more do we need?

a reply to: kyosuke

Have only watched the first video. Was prepared to be jolted into awareness of the severity of the 'no go' problem, but in fact it was a real let-down.

'Attacked' is a strong way of describing what happens to the presenter. He strolls up to a bunch of shifty migrants, asking such clearly leading questions that it is obvious to the migrants that he is wired for sound. He lies, and says he is not recording them. They frisk him, discover he's lying, and give him a pasting.

The other 'attack' shown is an Australian film crew, trying to move in on a gang of obvious ne'er-do-wells. The cameraman gets something (a rock?) thrown at him. The sound recordist gets a crappy punch thrown at him (which doesn't appear to connect). That's all that happens.

There's an interview with some police officers, where they talk about some weapons they've seen. Well, that's their job. There's no discussion about these weapons being used. And I doubt the integrity of the whole interview, because the shots of the interviewer asking questions have clearly (as in, unarguably) been edited in afterwards.

There's an interview with a street busker, who is clearly so terrified that he is, er, still busking in his usual patch.

The final set of interviewees is the best. He's clearly gone out and picked a handful of the most obvious SJW-lookng types he could find. And he's deliberately left them till last, so that everything he's put in the rest of the film makes them look like liars. In fact, they just contradict his entire narrative, but the editing undermines them in order to fit the film's scheme. And what they are responding to isn't very clear at all, which makes me suspect some sleight of hand is involved.

The stuff about sexual assaults in crowds is horrible. But... no witnesses, no victims, not even any statistics. (This is in no way making excuses for real crimes, to be clear).

All this is sort of stitched together with some footage of things on fire, and police vans with flashing lights. There's no actual reporting connected to this material, it's just sort of wallpaper that gives the impression that something urgent is going on throughout.