Why you can bleep off when you say I need to vaccinate my children...

a reply to: starviego
Hmmm..... are you sure?

Maybe doctors have just progressively gotten better at diagnosing autism and the many different ways it presents itself?

And what's so bad about autism anyway? Do you even know what it is? Have you ever met someone with autism?

originally posted by: bigsnowman
a reply to: starviego
Hmmm..... are you sure?

Maybe doctors have just progressively gotten better at diagnosing autism and the many different ways it presents itself?

And what's so bad about autism anyway? Do you even know what it is? Have you ever met someone with autism?

Huh? What the...

originally posted by: bigsnowman



And what's so bad about autism anyway? Do you even know what it is? Have you ever met someone with autism?

i shall throw out my favourite question for anti-vaxx cultists :

" can an anti vaccination avocate please COHERENTLY explain the elimination of : rinderpest ???

Here is something to consider with Autism. According to hair analysis of autistic kids, certain minerals are high while others are low compared to other kids that are not autistic. Mercury, lead, and aluminum are high. In another article I read before copper was also in the high range.

all of these are chealated out by the sulfur pathways that are dependent on molybdenum coenzymes, which is a mineral that is deficient. Other metals that are necessary for proper utilization by the thyroid and sugar pathways are also deficient in hair analysis.

Eat more organic oatmeal and cream of wheat when you are pregnant. Put more real maple syrup on those pancakes, screw the fake stuff. More seeds and nuts would be beneficial too.

Another thing, pregnant women should avoid eating pickles with Alum in them. some have this others don't. There is quite a bit of aluminum in them. Also fast melting cheeses like fake American cheese use alum to make the cheese melt quicker and it also extends the life, alum is actually a funguside. It is not only vaccines that cause the problem, the kids absorb aluminum from the mothers diet too. Do not cook or store acid foods in aluminum, it will leach into the food. Non acid foods are safe to cook in aluminum, there is not much aluminum freed if there is no acid.

This is one of many articles I read on this correlation. These are only correlation studies. It seems to have something to do with the sulfur detoxification pathways, could be sulfur is low too or problems making sulfur enzymes other than the molybdenum coenzymes influence. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Here is another one that is interesting. healthcareinamerica.us...

The common sense things I mentioned above are not considered by most doctors, it is the total amount of the aluminum in the child that is important, from multiple sources. Some plants take up aluminum more than others, some plants like rice and asparagus take up arsenic more. If the asparagus is grown on low arsenic soils it is no problem....but who actually checks for this. Arsenic causes more early cancer though, rice is and always has been a carcinogen if grown in high arsenic soils. Arsenic is a natural part of the soils, some plants uptake it and use it as part of their plant defense chemistry.

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: Restricted
...people should be forcibly vaccinated ,,,

People who want the government to use force on people worry me.

Since people are scientifically ignorant, even these days, the more enlightened must lead them, like the little, ignorant children they are, to the things that are best for them, and the rest of society.

You may now retreat to your Safe Space where I can't microaggress you with common sense.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
i shall throw out my favourite question for anti-vaxx cultists :

" can an anti vaccination avocate please COHERENTLY explain the elimination of : rinderpest ???

From the link:
"Rinderpest (also cattle plague or steppe murrain) was an infectious viral disease of cattle, domestic buffalo, and some other species of even-toed ungulates, including buffaloes, large antelope and deer, giraffes, wildebeests, and warthogs."

Have you ever tried to vaccinate a warthog? It's a nasty business. The disease is either still out there in the wild population, or it went dormant for mother nature's own reasons.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
i shall throw out my favourite question for anti-vaxx cultists :

" can an anti vaccination avocate please COHERENTLY explain the elimination of : rinderpest ???

But, how are we going to know if that cow has autism or not? I suppose if you are a cow and only going to live a few years because you are going to be eaten, maybe autism is a blessing.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
i shall throw out my favourite question for anti-vaxx cultists :

" can an anti vaccination avocate please COHERENTLY explain the elimination of : rinderpest ???

But, how are we going to know if that cow has autism or not? I suppose if you are a cow and only going to live a few years because you are going to be eaten, maybe autism is a blessing.

Well, if they keep repeating themselves...

Moo, moo... Moooo...

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: starviego
Do you have any evidence that this is true? A link to something other than an anti-vaxx blog will suffice.

Well, there was that pesky Spanish Flu epidemic of the early 20th century. It started at some Army base in Missouri or somewhere, where the soldiers had just been given an 'experimental' flu vaccine.

The diseased spread worldwide, eventually killing some 20 million people. Thanks, vaxxers. Thanks a lot.

Here is another good article. This one addresses the sulfur pathway and aluminum as related to autism, with a kicker, acetaminophen can actually make it worse. www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/11/2227/pdf

This autism problem involves a couple of things. It is not just one simple cause. Acetaminophen is in many over the counter remedies now and like I said before, aluminum can enter the baby. Acetaminophen actually can cause liver injury in the mother which can cause improper detox.

Vaccines with their aluminum, could be contributing to autism. Diet is your biggest source of aluminum, but most foods have it bound in their cellular structure, alum added to food is free to be absorbed.

a reply to: TXRabbit

The ones who intend to vaccinate but have children who are yet too young to get their shots. The ones whose kids would be vaccinated but have verifiable reasons why they cannot be vaccinated (allergy to a component of the shot for one example or an immune disorder).

The umbrella provided by the larger group who are vaccinated has always served to help protect those people too. But the growing number of people who are unvaccinated increases the chances of one of those diseases gaining a foothold and touching those who cannot be protected by any other means.

a reply to: Rezlooper

There are far more studies showing a genetic component to autism these days.

a reply to: Rezlooper

Yack Yack Yack yawn......................... (its the same crap each time. It MY right, it causes autism, its big pharma blah blah blah blah blah

Seriously. If any parent is really this stupid then you should have ZERO problems agreeing with the following: (and I agree its your choice) however, the rest of us should not have to put our kids at risk OR subsidize their stupidity

1) ANY vaccine preventable illness the child gets will require them to PAY 100% of the medical costs associated with the care of said unfortunate child. (death by say measles with full on PICU care can run into the millions FYI) and perhaps a medical escrow account funded by said stupid parents would need to be established to pay for this.

2) Your child will be unable to attend public schools or universities etc.

3) Your child will have to avoid areas of congregation etc. unless a special designated "contagion play area" is designated

Why should I put my child at risk because of their stupidity..............

originally posted by: ketsuko
The umbrella provided by the larger group who are vaccinated has always served to help protect those people too....

Please don't task ME with the responsibility for someone else's health!

originally posted by: DanteGaland
At least I won't have to PAY for your kid when they DIE from lack of healthcare. . .

But we will because if they have private insurance, then because of the increased costs associated with their stupid choice we will see higher premiums across the board. If they are on Medicaid then we as taxpayers will pay

Either way we will bear some of the financial costs

originally posted by: starviego

Please don't task ME with the responsibility for someone else's health!

But in this manner you ARE. Your un-vaccinated kid is a potential VECTOR of disease that even though my kid is vaccinated may still get. See the recent outbreaks at Disney etc.

originally posted by: starviego

originally posted by: icanteven
a reply to: starviego
Do you have any evidence that this is true? A link to something other than an anti-vaxx blog will suffice.

Well, there was that pesky Spanish Flu epidemic of the early 20th century. It started at some Army base in Missouri or somewhere, where the soldiers had just been given an 'experimental' flu vaccine.

The diseased spread worldwide, eventually killing some 20 million people. Thanks, vaxxers. Thanks a lot.

So this incident from 100 years ago is your evidence? Wouldn't you agree that safety and purity protocols have improved since then?

BTW this interactive history of vaccines timeline is fantastic: www.historyofvaccines.org...

a reply to: crazyewok

Your family and so your rights to be a idiot.

But as someone who used to work in vaccines I can assure you there is no conspiracy and that the science they are built on is solid and anyone with any Human biology/Biochemistry experience will agree.

The "science" that the article you posted is based on is complete nonsense.

I doubt you held a particularly influential position with that attitude.

I also worked in vaccine development, on the science side not the medical side (different areas). As a research scientist and project leader one of our concerns was systemic events caused by adjuvants, particularly in young children.

I don't know what you understand about the human immune system but inflammatory responses to vaccines can be theorised to cause brain injuries as a result of encephalitis. Also vaccines are known to cause auto immune disorders such as juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, Gullain Barre syndrome among others.

The general attitude held amongst my peers was "We tell people these thins don't happen but they do"...

Vaccines do cause injury to a minority of individuals, there is no doubt about that. Do they contribute to the rise in autism? Well the research suggests that auto immunity and inflammation in the brain are causative factors in at least some autism cases so yes it is possible. Whenever you stimulate the human immune system artificially or naturally there is a possibility things can go wrong.

So no not everyone with a background in human biology will agree with your statement and I strongly suggest you visit pub-med or NCBI again.

We used to vaccinate to protect but now it is more about economics than health.