Nicene Creed

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: whereislogic


Yeah, I understand all of that. But, the bottom line is that Christianity is rooted in Paganism, not Judaism as it's presented to be. Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah. It's been 2000 years since his supposed birth and death and yet we're still waiting for the prophecy to be fulfilled.

The Hebrew God is NOT a trinity, its 4 fold expression is embedded in Genesis 1.

Christianity is Pablum for the masses. It's the training that neophytes received before Eleusinian initiation.

It's true.

To Whereislogic:

But Allah is Merciful you will be forgiven I hope.

InshAllah.


Difference between Christology and Islam is all good people go to Heaven. Regardless of religion. Qur'an even says it. Magians, Sabaeans, Christians and Jews are mentioned specifically but those were the religions of the time.

Sabaean is a sort of umbrella term for people of scripture but not the Bible.

Magians are Zoroastrians and we accept Zoroaster is a Prophet pbuh.

Even Chaldean star worshippers are called Sabaeans because a Sheik recommended it.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

I have proven for myself something god-like really exists, but it's not what we thought it is like over 6000 years ago. When all that *moses-stuff started, one gawd and it's exactly as I say...
How could it be? My frame of reference is very different than 6-60-600-... years ago.
Maybe that's the time frame since when the real message we ignore is: all is one, all is god?

There's no Satan. I believe in the good, the bad & the ugly. That's your trinity.

a reply to: Peeple


Awesome

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Thanks

a reply to: Peeple


Your welcome.

But I don't have a "Trinity."

God is One.

Allahu Akbar

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Or:
Hail flying spaghetti monster!

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: Disturbinatti

Or:
Hail flying spaghetti monster!

How original.

Good, bad, ugly... are just adjectives.

Not gods. You want to worship rigatoni go ahead, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Two times means "no" in my world, directly from my God.

Don't edit, we'll see it if you edit.

a reply to: Peeple


I don't live in your world

I will edit here just to make you happy though.

Because I don't see.....


No. There IS NO logic in that silly sentiment of yours. Saying something twice is cancelling it out, absurd?

Your quirks don't effect my intent.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

*psst, secret: there's only one world as far as we know. This one.

True story, there's "pet theory" and on the opposite extreme there's "reality".

a reply to: Peeple

Pssst.

Look in mirror.

Toolbox

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Oh please, this is a "discussion" forum, not "insult everybody with a different opinion, or worldview", you're better than that...
Maybe not?
Use your words not your aggression, your rage, make your point clear.

By People

a reply to: Disturbinatti

&
for the people.
While alive in this reality.

Amen & Shalom

This is for the Christian.

I have been repetitive because it's so effective but I have also been diverse in providing evidence to prove my point.

Right here I will quote 3 passages that refute the notion Jesus pbuh is God, twice.


And that "Only begotten son" is a lie. David pbuh was also "begotten this day."

Psalms 2:7

I will tell of the decree of YHVH:

He said to me, " 'You are my son; today I have BEGOTTEN YOU. 8. Ask of me and I will make the nations your inheritance,....'


11. Serve YHVH with fear, with trembling kiss his feet,

Or He will be angry, and you will perish in the way;
for His wrath is quickly kindled.

Happy are all who take refuge in Him."


Psalms is so old scholars have found it shares much style with hymns of Ugarit Canaanite mythology. It is traditionally ascribed to David pbuh but you never know, scholars date the Torah to around the time of Ezra the scribe.


This matters because Luke borrowed the exact same phrase as ancient authorities read in:

Luke 4:8

"Jesus answered him, 'It is written,

Worship the Lord your God, and serve ONLY HIM.' "


Oh sorry wrong verse but I am leaving it. You know why.

Luke 3:22

And a voice came from Heaven, "You are my son, today I have begotten you.''

Now, if Jesus pbuh is God, so is the Old Testament Messiah (I realize few Christians ever know this, it is true though. Cyrus, too, was called Messiah or God's Annointed, which is a Messiah by definition and pretty much why David pbuh should be the ancestror of the future Hebrew Messiah. I will guess why Magi bring gifts, Magi is a Persian Priestly tribe that in Persian Empire days also encompassed Chaldeans and they are called Magi too but I don't think they are Chaldeans religously because they are star worshippers, pagans, and Zoroastrians are Monotheistic, worship God and are accepted as People of the Book in Islam, Zoroaster a Prophet pbuh.

"You are my son, this day I have begotten you."

Psalms 2:7, Luke 21:22.

Just prove deception is afoot, " You are my son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased."

Doesn't sound natural and it seems pretty obvious that a later scribe realized it and that's why MSS. vary later on.

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Sorry I don't disagree. "God speaks" through & to many.
Once upon "Zoroastra" was a rebel.
So was Moses.
Jesus.
....
how could I tell what side in this case would be supported? The rebells?
Possibly, right? All of the many prophets were...

I'm not done. "I and my Father are one.''

AND

John 5:30

"I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge; and my judgement is just, because I SEEK NOT TO DO NY OWN WILL BUT THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME."

Jesus pbuh like Islam means , 'does the Will of God', to submit to God's will is the meaning of "Islam" which brings "Salaam", Peace to the soul. In the worst and best of times.

John 5:19

"Very truly I tell you, the son can do nothing on his own, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, the son does likewise."

Yeah...

John 5 23

"Anyone who does not honor the son, does not honor the Father WHO SENT him."

Jesus pbuh, servant of God, takes orders from God.

So isn't.

Honor the "son." What did he do to make you disrespect him so much you don't honor him?

5:24

"..., anyone who hears my word and believes HIM WHO SENT me has ETERNAL LIFE, and does not come under judgement, BUT HAS PASSED FROM DEATH TO LIFE."

a reply to: Disturbinatti

Just stating the truth. I acknowledge Jesus was one of many messiahs or prophets.
He was rebelling against the state. Not killing the population.
Big difference.