BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

a reply to: Doctor Smith

I see a lot of alt-right radicals on ATS tonight using this word:

"defend"

When, in fact, liberals and progressives have not done anything of the sort.

There seems to be some kind of cognitive haze wrapping the grey matter of conservatives. Or, perhaps, they've been main-lining to much Breitbart and Infowars today.

There is a fundamental difference between defending and offering hypothetical explanations.

When you see someone here saying that the guy snapped, was mentally ill ect -- those are what's called hypothetical explanations by most of the Earth's population.

It almost feels like conservatives and alt-right radicals want to demonize the progressives on ATS when the topic of "why'd he do this" is brought up.

Apparently, we as progressives and left-leaning individuals cannot offer up possible reasons and explanations as to why someone would be driven to do something like this.

a reply to: Kettu

Yes a good person can support bad policy.

Unlike you apparently, I don't think that just because someone has a political difference to me that they are an evil person.

You insinuation otherwise is cheering on a system where people assume anyone who disagrees with them is a bad person.

Your Hitler ananology proves how absurd your position is.

Spritualzombie, who my post was replying to was discussing policies such as scrapping Obamacare and building the wall.

The fact that you try to liken these positions to Hitlers positions of things like gassing people based off of race is disgusting, and shows how far you will go to try to justify this shooter.

But please go on, join the multitude of other posters on here that think anyone against Obama care is doing the same as this shooter in trying to kill people, only to 24 million.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Doctor Smith

I see a lot of alt-right radicals on ATS tonight using this word:

"defend"

When, in fact, liberals and progressives have not done anything of the sort.

There seems to be some kind of cognitive haze wrapping the grey matter of conservatives. Or, perhaps, they've been main-lining to much Breitbart and Infowars today.

There is a fundamental difference between defending and offering hypothetical explanations.

When you see someone here saying that the guy snapped, was mentally ill ect -- those are what's called hypothetical explanations by most of the Earth's population.

It almost feels like conservatives and alt-right radicals want to demonize the progressives on ATS when the topic of "why'd he do this" is brought up.

Apparently, we as progressives and left-leaning individuals cannot offer up possible reasons and explanations as to why someone would be driven to do something like this.

Or perhaps people object to you insinuating that anyone who disagrees with your policies must be evil, considering that was the same mentality that this shooter seemed to exhibit in his online ramblings.

a reply to: Grambler

CNN first article had a big section about how Scalise once was somewhere David Duke was.

are you talking about this article???

www.cnn.com...

As he was running for House Majority Whip, a scandal emerged when it was revealed Scalise had spoken to a group led by former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke in 2002. Scalise called it a mistake and apologized. Then-House Speaker John Boehner supported Scalise and Rep. Cedric Richmond, a black Democrat from Louisiana, also supported Scalise.

It's like a biography of Scalise's political career and that is just one small part of what is there...
and it's a far cry from a "Celebration" of him being shot!!

Tariq Nasheed who is a commentator on the main stream media felt the need to discuss that as if thatg implied Scalise deserved it.

are you talking about a twitter rant from a twit??

seriously, this guy???

www.youtube.com...

like he's some representative from the mainstream liberals???

Malcolm Harris that worked for Huff Po and now the Washington Post joked that the shooter could have been acting in self defense for getting his health care shut down.

Malcolm Harris?? this guy??

thenewinquiry.com...

I'll keep looking but he seems to be a freelance writer... which I wouldn't consider mainstream....
and of course, another twitter twit....
didn't run into any "happy shootout day" balloons, no block parties, or anything else that would be indicative of a "celebration" like you claim....



both you twits seem to be rather young, in their 20s... Tariq Nasheed seems to be the type of guy who would be in black lives matter.... but oh ya, they reflect the ideas and attitudes of all those liberals... right???

no, they don't, and I can point to some right wing non twitter twits that have probably millions of viewers on tv and radio claiming crap like men should never date a liberal woman who has a cat because she will cut your penis off...



www.rightwingwatch.org...

California governor Jerry Brown should be hanging from a rope.

www.rightwingwatch.org...

Manchester concert goers invited terrorist attack... curse themselves by attending concert...

www.rightwingwatch.org... concert/

In addition, we have numerous incidents of the main stream media ignoring or celebrating violence against the right. I did a thread om The Guardian justifying violence against the right.

well, I did a search for you guardian article you mention here, aint finding anything...
and I have to get up in less than six hours, so I am heading to bed now...

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Doctor Smith


Apparently, we as progressives and left-leaning individuals cannot offer up possible reasons and explanations as to why someone would be driven to do something like this.

You hold up the severed head of the president and assassinate him on stage in a play and what do you expect from the leftist, Marxists that are fed a constant stream of hate from the mainstream media. You can see the extreme anger of liberals by reading the comments on almost any article, the name calling and viciousness is unbelievable. And the media keep stoking the fire by feeding misrepresentations, innuendos and outright lies about this administration as clickbait to incite their hungry liberal wolves.

a reply to: DBCowboy

First rule of engineering: if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh1t.

But not in this case. Thanks.

TheRedneck

a reply to: ker2010

And I can read the extreme anger by alt-right radicals calling for a "white crusade" in comment sections.

You act like your own back yard is perfectly clean.

a reply to: dawnstar

So in other words you couldn't find any right wing main stream media people justifying a shooting.

Gotcha.

And if you have been following this thread, I have said all along that I don't blame all on the left for this. Nor did I claim that these media peoples beliefs are reflected in others. I am merely pointing out that it seems at this point in time that the majority of the violence and defense of violence is coming from the left.

By the way, remember you could easily cite conservatoves shutting down liberal speech. Still couldn't google an incident huh?

Here is my thread in the Guardian, it was a video not an article.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you sure seem to be heavily emotionally invested into this.

See, unlike you I'm looking at these events through a clinical eye. I've left my emotions at the door. The facts are that a man snapped, grabbed guns he had easy access too, and attacked people he felt were responsible.

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

That you have to resort to veiled ad-homs to give your replies some form of import is quite telling, and says more about you than I. Witnessing the histrionic outrage and mock indignation is a clear indication that you are on the defensive.

a reply to: Kettu

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

Must be important since a random internet critter said so.

Ever wondered what life looked like outside your box?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Kettu

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

Must be important since a random internet critter said so.

Ever wondered what life looked like outside your box?

Yep, my passport has quite a few stamps in it!

Thanks for the tasty ad-hom though! *nom nom*

edit... and just because Star Fox is my avatar doesn't make me a 'critter'! I'm a sentient animal that flies star fighters!

a reply to: Grambler

America’s most infamous abortion clinic killer was executed at 6 p.m. on Sept. 3, 2003. As the hour approached, supporters gathered outside the Florida State Prison near Jacksonville to promise divine retribution for Hill’s death. They howled as a storm broke above their heads, seeing the weather as a sign of heaven’s wrath.

Inside the execution chamber, however, there was calm. Hill, sentenced to die for gunning down an abortion doctor almost a decade earlier, was peaceful, even as thunder clapped and the lights flickered overhead.

www.washingtonpost.com...

a reply to: Kettu

In here youre equating all your critics as being alt-right, which is BS.

Note that all my 'libs always defend the atrocities' talking points on these kinds of events, my entire framework of perceptions and talking points are based on what goes on in here, ATS, from my obersvations here, with you guys. Not the comments in BuzzFeed, not articles in HuffPo, not memes in Tumblr. The arguments and tactics made specifically by ATS liberals which is a predictable outcome with 100% accuracy in 100% of the threads that pop up involving atrocitities that somehow involve the stuff libs are (race crimes, islam stuff, etc liberal terrorism).

You see me talking about how liberals always defend the extremists in the camp, all their atrocities...
Well im talking about the people in here ATS. Not out in the rest of the web. YOU guys.

The reason I dont hold the conservatives nuts to the fire is, well aside this kind of stuff doesnt happen not one tenth as kuch from them, but when it does happen itsnot like they do whatever it takes to derail the threads and so on to defend the actions and the logic of the perps.

THAT is so much the reason I wont let up on you guys about this stuff, which then has you all brand me as being "alt-right" which by the way is hardly even a tangible thing like blm nor does it hold a unified doctrine like sjw's in general. But the contingents into that white nationalism stuff you want so bad to associate your critics with, they wouldnt have me any more than blm would.

Yet you still demagogue away me and all the rest of us hell ATS must be white nationalism headquarters in your mind where every conservative, libertarian and the rest of us just sick of liberal bigotry and violence we're all in on it, right??

So much for the opportunity to "pause and reflect", looks like today's event has only fueled the fire...

That created the atmosphere that empowered one to express his position in a hail of bullets...

When will WE learn.. that we all are being played....?

a reply to: Kettu

There is a fundamental difference between defending and offering hypothetical explanations.

Yes, yes there is.

The facts of the case are that the shooter intentionally approached an area where he expected to find Congressmen gathered, carrying a loaded firearm, with the express purpose of shooting them for the sole reason of their political affiliation. That much is evident. Hodgkinson was guilty of attempted first-degree murder (possibly just first-degree murder, God forbid).

There is no defense for committing first-degree murder save insanity... and even then, the perpetrator simply serves his time in a mental facility instead of a prison. We have no indication Hodgkinson was insane.

A hypothetical explanation would be along the lines of, "he's guilty of the crime because X, Y, and Z." A defense would be along the lines of, "he shouldn't be considered a criminal because of X, Y, and Z," or, "he acted appropriately because of X, Y, and Z."

The first example admits guilt and tries to understand the reasoning that caused him to commit the crime... a noble effort to try and prevent similar future occurrences. The last two examples do not admit guilt and instead try to excuse the actions as perfectly reasonable... the result of which is legitimization of one of the most heinous crimes on the books today.

I will leave it to you to decide which you are guilty of doing.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you sure seem to be heavily emotionally invested into this.

See, unlike you I'm looking at these events through a clinical eye. I've left my emotions at the door. The facts are that a man snapped, grabbed guns he had easy access too, and attacked people he felt were responsible.

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

That you have to resort to veiled ad-homs to give your replies some form of import is quite telling, and says more about you than I. Witnessing the histrionic outrage and mock indignation is a clear indication that you are on the defensive.

I guess you could say I am defensive. Of people that liken people with political disagreements to being evil, especially in light that a person with that very belief just tried to kill a bunch of people.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Ignore them. In most cases they're after intemperate remarks made in righteous wrath at their vile words. Or somethin' like that. That goes for those on your side, which often enough is the side I come down on, but those with whom you disagree with. They are baited fully as often as you...and you know this.

They want you mad. Disgusted. Because you're not thinking as clearly as you might when you're angry, or disgusted.

I know it's a tough row to hoe, I fail fully as often as I succeed in my attempts to ignore them... Mea culpa.

The people who can't see past their biases, and who refuse to even try, are the enemies of free thought, and all too many of them wouldn't protest too terribly much if it went further than that--so long as it's to their benefit.

Keep calm, and carry on.

a reply to: shawmanfromny

these Illuminati scum bags are getting kinda desperate ..lmfao think they can start a war by using Dems and Rep against each other lol ! look the white vs black didnt work ,the Cop vs poor black inner city peeps didnt kick it off they underestimate our intelligence . i hope there comes a day like in the past where everyone of those traitors are hunted down and dealt wiith there going to get real desperate and expose themselves

Life is best lived objectively, not subjectively.

Everyone has a story......

Not every story holds the same water.


Lady Justice is blind for a reason.

a reply to: paradiselost333

My slightly pessimistic view says to expect all of those to come back this summer for a grand finale.

I hope you are correct however.