BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

a reply to: seagull

hell to the yes. This is exhausting to battle the hate. Is there nothing positive on the other side?

a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

a reply to: seagull

Trump just tweeted an update on Rep. Scalise. Not good news.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 17m17 minutes ago More Just left hospital. Rep. Steve Scalise, one of the truly great people, is in very tough shape - but he is a real fighter. Pray for Steve!

twitter.com...

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

Not to mention half the # he cited not being true.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Grambler





can you in all honesty say that you know that there hasn't been a time??? as it is, no, can't think of one, but I can think of a elementary school being shut down because of the conservative protesters chasing their students down the sidewalk yelling to them!!!

but I can name time after time after time that the left has done this.

How about campuses like Mizzou and Evergreen where the extreme left has taken over the universities.

the pot was just simmering when he was elected... it boiled over?? are you claiming the the conservative played no part in turning up the heat??

Of course there were those on the right that were fuming. But can you cite any incidents of them rioting?

Are you implying conservatives are to blame for leftists rioting over Trump?

who, what, where, and when??? and don't give me a bunch of fruitcakes on twitter or facebook that are hiding in their imaginary illusion of Anonymity or celebrity wackos ? mainstream news outlets!!!

CNN first article had a big section about how Scalise once was somewhere David Duke was.

Tariq Nasheed who is a commentator on the main stream media felt the need to discuss that as if thatg implied Scalise deserved it.

Malcolm Harris that worked for Huff Po and now the Washington Post joked that the shooter could have been acting in self defense for getting his health care shut down.

In addition, we have numerous incidents of the main stream media ignoring or celebrating violence against the right. I did a thread om The Guardian justifying violence against the right.

I will criticize bad behaviour on all sides of the aisle. But ignoring these facts only makes the situation worse.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

False equivalent. All of those things I described-- deportations, border walls, ending people's healthcare-- these issues are worthy of protest.

Perhaps better leadership would quell the civil unrest.

I only read page one so I do not know if this has already been posted?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

False equivalent. All of those things I described-- deportations, border walls, ending people's healthcare-- these issues are worthy of protest.

Perhaps better leadership would quell the civil unrest.

Again, you exhibit the exact same type of thinking the shooter did.

You liken policy positions to people being bad people. You are comparing these positions with violence.

This is one step away from stopping the violent policy psotions with violence.

This is the type of thing that scares me.

a reply to: DBCowboy

I don't have it in me to be so forgiving towards an ideology that would cheer my death.

The cheers mean nothing.

You know, I'm in pretty good shape, considering. I'm an old redneck, and we typically kill ourselves off at a fairly young age ("Hey, y'all, watch this!" "Here, somebody hold my beer."). That's why we breed so fast. I guess that makes me either the toughest SOB or the worst assassin in this part of the country.

But seriously, I am now at that age where I begin to think and muse about that day when I finally wake up under the dirt. And one thing I know from years of experience is that I have absolutely no control over what others think of me. So, when that ornery knee starts hurting, or the trick hip locks up, or when I am reminded of the three heart attacks, or even when the joints decide to rebel, I tend to wonder not what others will say and do on that day, but what I will have done in the days before it. I can control that.

I kinda like closing my eyes at night, secure in the knowledge that, if I have accomplished less good than I would have liked, I have done no harm.

It's a good feeling.

TheRedneck

a reply to: TheRedneck

Too many here, even now are justifying the shooters actions either directly or indirectly.

Have you noticed that?

In another thread someone just told me to shut up and I shouldn't be pissed off because we brought this on ourselves.

Not 24 hours and people are blaming everyone they can, certainly not "their" precious ideology.

I can't "come together" with people that would champion my death. I wouldn't do it with ISIS. Why would I do it with people who have the same standards?

a reply to: DBCowboy

Yeah, well be consistent and people wouldn't be telling you that.

The right-wing has advocated armed rebellion under the 2nd for years against a "tyrannical government".

Today, they got what they all were lusting for. Unfortunately for them, it apparently wasn't the "right people" or something.

This is what happens when people are pushed to the breaking point by authoritarians who want nothing more than to sell the common man out to the elites. When healthcare is stripped, workers rights are stripped, the environment raped for profit, and mental healthcare gutted.

But hey, let's make sure everyone has access to guns, right? I mean someday we might have to fight back against the government. Errrr...well, only the alt-right-approved parts of the government like those liberals, right?

How about some damn consistency and humanity here? The guy snapped, and all I can see if a bunch of conservatives screaming about how dangerous all liberals are.

You know what, tons of liberals own guns and I'm not afraid of them. It's the hardcore conservatives with PTSD and NRA stickers all over their "over compensation vehicles" that get 4mpg that scare the hell out of me. They're the ones that have been screaming bloody murder and forming armed militias for years. They're the ones who excitedly talk about how they'd fight off the government in some epic "last stand" like an action movie hero.

Get real. The guy was sick in the head, end of story.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

False equivalent. All of those things I described-- deportations, border walls, ending people's healthcare-- these issues are worthy of protest.

Perhaps better leadership would quell the civil unrest.

Again, you exhibit the exact same type of thinking the shooter did.

You liken policy positions to people being bad people. You are comparing these positions with violence.

This is one step away from stopping the violent policy psotions with violence.

This is the type of thing that scares me.

Ah.. didn't read all the comments, but how is saying something is worthy of protest, along the same lines of a shooter? This nation was founded on the backs of protests, and our laws to protect those protesters. Why Trump supporters honestly feel that this President is somehow above criticism and protest seriously baffles the mind.

originally posted by: fleabit

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: spiritualzombie

Did you, or did you not, type this just a few minutes ago?

Yeah its both sides... the people who scream for torture and the ones who point out torture is illegal and unethical. The people who scream for walls and deportation and those awful people suggesting empathy and some kind of path for citizenship... those awesome people who elect a guy who brags about sexual assault and openly calls on Russia to help him win an election and the terrible people who say, wait no that's wrong. Both sides equally terrible, or so I hear.

I call that ignoring the behavior of some of the folks who are, supposedly, on your side of the issues...

False equivalent. All of those things I described-- deportations, border walls, ending people's healthcare-- these issues are worthy of protest.

Perhaps better leadership would quell the civil unrest.

Again, you exhibit the exact same type of thinking the shooter did.

You liken policy positions to people being bad people. You are comparing these positions with violence.

This is one step away from stopping the violent policy psotions with violence.

This is the type of thing that scares me.

Ah.. didn't read all the comments, but how is saying something is worthy of protest, along the same lines of a shooter? This nation was founded on the backs of protests, and our laws to protect those protesters. Why Trump supporters honestly feel that this President is somehow above criticism and protest seriously baffles the mind.

Saying protests is fine. Read the thread and get the context. He is claiming the real violent rhetoric is only from the right because these positions are violent.

This likening of political positions to violent behavior is dangerous.

originally posted by: Kettu

This is what happens when people are pushed to the breaking point by authoritarians who want nothing more than to sell the common man out to the elites. When healthcare is stripped, workers rights are stripped, the environment raped for profit, and mental healthcare gutted.

So another person justifying leftist terrorism.

Bravo.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: DBCowboy

This is what happens when people are pushed to the breaking point by authoritarians who want nothing more than to sell the common man out to the elites. When healthcare is stripped, workers rights are stripped, the environment raped for profit, and mental healthcare gutted.

What "authoritarians"?

How has the common man been sold out to the elites?

How has healthcare been "stripped"? Who's fault is it that Obamacare -- a rapidly collapsing program that had ZERO Republican votes, is such a monumental failure?

How has mental healthcare been stripped? Where? Who did it...?

Which worker's rights have been stripped?

I won't even ask about the "environment raped for profit" because I'm a land developer and don't want you to come after me with your purse...

BTW -- I have an NRA sticker on my Escalade...

originally posted by: Kettu

The right-wing has advocated armed rebellion under the 2nd for years against a "tyrannical government".

Today, they got what they all were lusting for. Unfortunately for them, it apparently wasn't the "right people" or something.

(AND)

Get real. The guy was sick in the head, end of story.

So was the shooter sick in the head or was he justified in shooting a member of a tyrannical government and some other people?

Make up your mind before you demand some "damn consistency and humanity."

You either support what he did or you don't. You can't have it both ways.

originally posted by: EchoesInTime
a reply to: seagull

Trump just tweeted an update on Rep. Scalise. Not good news.

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 17m17 minutes ago More Just left hospital. Rep. Steve Scalise, one of the truly great people, is in very tough shape - but he is a real fighter. Pray for Steve!

twitter.com...

CNN has returned to focusing on creating more shooters tonight. But FoxNews has coverage of President Trump's visit to the bedside of Representative Scalise tonight..

www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: Grambler
and I can name more instances where the right has tried to or has shut things down also...

I'll have to look into the two colleges you mentioned but from what I've read, it seems to be more about racial tensions in both cases than political.. and in the case of evergreen well....

Spring quarter at Evergreen State College is coming to a rocky close. After videos of heated student protests went viral and made national headlines, local law enforcement officials received two threats against the college, prompting Evergreen administrators to close and cancel classes for nearly three days. Soon after the campus reopened, Evergreen President George Bridges announced the college’s graduation ceremony would be held at Tacoma’s Cheney Stadium, rather than its traditional location on campus.


Two other ceremonies, Lavender Graduation, a ceremony for LGBTQ+ students, and First People’s Graduation Recognition Ceremony, which celebrates graduates of color, were cancelled. In an e-mail to students announcing the cancellation, faculty said they “cannot, in good conscience be aware of these threats and host a graduation ceremony that gathers trans, queer, gender non-conforming, intersex, LGB, and people of color into one space. It would be irresponsible to continue with ‘business as usual’ knowing that our offices are actively being targeted.”

www.thestranger.com...

I don't think you can claim that the conservatives were entirely innocent????

same goes for the news article you posted....
I'll have to go and read the article and make my own judgement as to what they say....

a reply to: dawnstar

What, no comment on what really interested you, members of the MSM making excuses for this shooting?

If its so easy for you to name an incident of conservatives shutting something down, please do it. Let me guess, you have been googling for 20 minutes trying to find some obscure incident and still haven't found one.

And excuse me if I don't take the students of Evergreen at their word. Those that tried to kick whites off of campus, threatened to hold a professor hostage, threatened to "collect" his wife, forced professors to stay and a room and acquiesce to their demands while they made them ask permission to use the restroom, and then had to have an escort to make sure they didn't run away.

Oh, and the police let all of the happen. And the administration of that school allowed all of it. And the original professor, who is a progressive, can not go back to campus for his safety.

Yep, that really proves your point of conservatives being bad.

a reply to: Kettu

Tyranny how?!

Nothing has been done to anyone under this administration. The only thing anyone has done to you is make you afraid of things that might be done to you. Just because someone tells you the people in power now are nazis doesn't mean it's true and doesn't suddenly mean that the day to day of your life is suddenly a fascist hell, but that's how you seem to behave as if it has suddenly become so.

Unless, of course, you are living here illegally, and then you might have to fear that the laws on the books are going to be enforced as they should have been all along.