BREAKING: House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, multiple aides shot at Congressional baseball practice

originally posted by: Azureblue

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Gunman was said to have a long rifle. Sniper?

Long rifle or long gun can refer to a wide variety of firearms.

I first heard that said by the coroner at sandy hook. What sort of firearms is it referring to?

thanks

Usually a hunting rifle like a 308. Long rifles really are not any different from an assault rifle they just look less menacing. But in reality just as dangerous.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

He didn't get many shots off as people started shooting back. And some of those people were trained meaning they kept him from being able to continue shooting. Lucky for everyone I don't think the shooter could actually shoot and apparently didn't practice at all. He was going up against people that regularly use a gun range. I think it would not be an exaggeration to say at least five people started shooting back

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Kettu

Perhaps you could explain why all these so-called "hypothetical explanations" from the left all seem to defend the attack in some way? Why don't any of these hypothetical explanations condemn the act as party line rhetoric gone too far?

I don't buy the whole hypothetical bit anyway. You can call it hypothetical all day long. Its still sounds like you are justifying or minimizing the act. A liberal targeted and shot conservatives. It is what it is.

Well, I'm curious as to why the old hypothetical "performance art" wasn't included.

originally posted by: pirhanna
a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I was wondering about that as well. My initial reaction was that the guy sure was a poor shot. Thankfully, in this case.

He hit Scalise, who is the 3rd ranking repub in the congress.

So, take it from there.

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you sure seem to be heavily emotionally invested into this.

See, unlike you I'm looking at these events through a clinical eye. I've left my emotions at the door. The facts are that a man snapped, grabbed guns he had easy access too, and attacked people he felt were responsible.

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

That you have to resort to veiled ad-homs to give your replies some form of import is quite telling, and says more about you than I. Witnessing the histrionic outrage and mock indignation is a clear indication that you are on the defensive.

Isn't it strange that you would conclude, with your clinical eye and all, that this was just a guy who snapped and had nothing to do with the hateful far left media propaganda. Strange, because you yourself have blamed Trump for the actions of others because of the things Trump has said.

I guess your clinical eye only works when it suits your political agenda.

The left-wing exploitation of this tragedy for anti-gun stance requires a firm response in favor of the 2nd Amendment by the US administration, in a steady push against the EU-backed lefties, lefty freaks and alike.

The EU secret services have orchestrated this shooting in order to take over the USA by disarming its citizens. Correct response is the repeal of NFA act 1986 to remove the ban on assault rifles and machine guns.

a reply to: Flanker86
Steve Scalise is getting his organs repaired. He wiil probably have to wear a bag. That's real.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: Grambler

Wow, you sure seem to be heavily emotionally invested into this.

See, unlike you I'm looking at these events through a clinical eye. I've left my emotions at the door. The facts are that a man snapped, grabbed guns he had easy access too, and attacked people he felt were responsible.

What I'm witnessing tonight on ATS is a marked rise in gaslighting, projection and a variety of other psychological symptoms indicative of personality spectrum disorders.

That you have to resort to veiled ad-homs to give your replies some form of import is quite telling, and says more about you than I. Witnessing the histrionic outrage and mock indignation is a clear indication that you are on the defensive.

Isn't it strange that you would conclude, with your clinical eye and all, that this was just a guy who snapped and had nothing to do with the hateful far left media propaganda. Strange, because you yourself have blamed Trump for the actions of others because of the things Trump has said.

I guess your clinical eye only works when it suits your political agenda.

Still amazed such things don't happen more frequently, given the type of abusive laws that are passed from time to time, you'd think nut jobs would get provoked. Seems all it takes is a little media propaganda, and some people value that over rights abuses.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Azureblue

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Gunman was said to have a long rifle. Sniper?

Long rifle or long gun can refer to a wide variety of firearms.

I first heard that said by the coroner at sandy hook. What sort of firearms is it referring to?

thanks

Usually a hunting rifle like a 308. Long rifles really are not any different from an assault rifle they just look less menacing. But in reality just as dangerous.

Technically, a "long gun" is any firearm which is braced from the shoulder, not held in the hands like a pistol. In other words, a long gun is any gun which is not a pistol.

A 'long gun' can be any caliber, from .17HMR to .577 Tyrannosaur (and beyond). A long gun can be anything from bolt action single shot to fully automatic machine gun. The 'long gun' definition only means it is fired (generally) after being braced from the shoulder.

That said, the MSM is notorious for mis-labeling firearms and attempting to group them into scarier sounding terms than what they really are. "AR" standing for 'assault rifle' is a good example of the MSM getting it wrong. 'AR' doesn't stand for 'Assault Rifle', the 'AR' abbreviation stands for "Armalite Rifle".

a reply to: shawmanfromny>>>> And now the conspiracy theories have to be discussed. Scalise had two irons in the fire right now. One, he had just made a statement against human trafficking and apparently was on board with those who believe its a far far bigger problem than anyone ever imagined. His staffers were sent pizza last night by the dem minority whip, Steny Hoyer. That's been taken as an obscene and offensive message given the continuing and expanding probe into Pizzagate. This shooter, Hodgkinson abused his foster kids, one even committed suicide by dousing herself with gasoline and igniting it. That sounds damn scary in retrospect. Then also there was a new gun bill which was since cancelled, one that would have loosened the restrictions on silencers. Scalise co wrote it. I think this jerk had help in planning what he did. He had help in knowing who to target , where to find him, and help getting to DC. I don't think the FBI will do its job so its up to internet people o do the legwork. And Scalise was sent to the one hospital he didn't want to go to, medstar. They were the ones who let Seth Rich die even when he was expected to pull through. The shooter Hodgkinson didn't make it.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

I have a very simple answer for you. Real life isn't Hollywood. This wasn't a movie. You sound like someone who knows absolutely nothing about guns. Let me attempt to educate you a bit, if your mind is open enough for that.

First of all, all of the shots weren't from the suspect. We don't have a full accounting of all the shots fired, that will be done by the investigative team. There were initially 2 officers shooting back and 2 more arrived within 3 minutes. So the suspect did not fire 50 to 100 shots. A significant but unknown number were shots fired back by defenders.

And yes a baseball field is open, and when there were people standing out in the open, they got hit. You're aware there were at least 4 victims shot, right? And I understand one was hit multiple times. After that everyone was behind cover, which makes it much harder to shoot people. (Except Scalise, who was laying on the ground. Someone laying on the ground is actually a difficult target, especially when the shooter now only has a split second to pop out from behind his cover to take shots before receiving return fire from the defenders). This is when most of the shots happened, and it was a back and forth between the shooter and the police.

So no logic doesn't dictate he should have hit more people and it doesn't mean he was carrying around a "sack full of bullets". At most, he just needed to be carrying a few magazines and reloaded once or twice, which he could've easily done behind cover. We don't even know for sure he reloaded. One of the witnesses said after he exhausted his ammo in the rifle he switched to a handgun. We don't know exactly what kind of rifle and handgun. I own a rifle that uses a 30-round magazine and a handgun that uses a 19-round magazine, plus 1 in the chamber of each gun. So if I had both of those, fully loaded, I could fire 51 rounds without having to reload and without even carrying spare ammo.

I hope this helps you understand how real life guns and gunfights work. Nothing unusual happened yesterday besides some brainwashed leftist nutcase trying to assassinate Republicans.

a reply to: RazorV66

If you think the Democratic Party of yesteryear was left wing, then there is something wrong with your understanding of the left right paradigm... mind you, there is, of course something wrong with your understanding of it, because you are the wrong side of the ocean to have the slightest clue what any of it means.

You would not think Hillary Clinton was a lefty if you did.

Quite an interesting reaction from Bernie Sanders from the time Democrat Gabby Giffords was shot:

“This horrendous act of violence is not some kind of strange aberration for this area where, it appears, threats and acts of violence are part of the political climate,” Sanders wrote. “Nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.” “In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?” he continued. “Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

Oops.

a reply to: UKTruth

I am shocked!

You mean the millionaire socialist that complains about the rich not giving enough while he relaxes in his mansion would have one standard when it benefits him, and another when it doesn't?

Makes his little statement yesterday seem hollow, doesn't it?

a reply to: UKTruth

How about a link so we can get some context. Also how does that negate anything he said yesterday?

originally posted by: UKTruth
Quite an interesting reaction from Bernie Sanders from the time Democrat Gabby Giffords was shot:

“This horrendous act of violence is not some kind of strange aberration for this area where, it appears, threats and acts of violence are part of the political climate,” Sanders wrote. “Nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.” “In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?” he continued. “Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

Oops.

Oops is right!! So now to be fair and totally honest (which is 0% possible for any politician), Mr. Sanders should come out and say...

“This horrendous act of violence is not some kind of strange aberration for this area where, it appears, threats and acts of violence are part of the political climate,” “Nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.” “In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Virginia a state in which people who are not Democrats are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process, including simple activities such as playing baseball?” “Have left-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

Failing this, Mr. Sanders could just simply say...."As a Democrat, and as you all expected, I am a first class HYPOCRIT!"

Instead, what he said publically so far is just a very careful selection of words which distance himself and his enablers from the shooter while at the same time appearing to express concern for the victims.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

How about a link so we can get some context. Also how does that negate anything he said yesterday?

Sure, here is the link - it's in his own fundraising letter.. he was actually using the shooting to raise money... you know that evil thing he spouts off about from his mansion.

www.dailywire.com...

If you would like the article from the actual time, I'll post that for you too.
Seems Sanders is a complete hypocrite - but worse than that he actually uses tragedies to smear an entire political ideology to raise money.

He went even further:

My colleague, Senator John McCain, issued a very strong statement after the shooting in which he condemned the perpetrator of the attack. I commend him for that. But I believe Senator McCain and other Arizona Republicans need to do more. As the elder statesman of Arizona politics McCain needs to stand up and denounce the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the right-wing and exert his influence to create a civil political environment in his state.

Funny how he doesn't think he needs to denounce the 'violent rhetoric' now.

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: UKTruth

How about a link so we can get some context. Also how does that negate anything he said yesterday?

Sure I will link it. It was a FUNDRAISING email he sent after the Gifford incident (classy raising money off of this).

“This horrendous act of violence is not some kind of strange aberration for this area where, it appears, threats and acts of violence are part of the political climate,” Sanders said in his letter. “Nobody can honestly express surprise that such a tragedy finally occurred.”

The Vermont senator, who caucuses with Democrats, cited past Arizona incidents such as vandalism at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ district office after the health care reform vote and Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” map, as well as other outbreaks of violence like when a bullet was shot into Rep. Raul Grijalva’s office.

"In light of all of this violence – both actual and threatened – is Arizona a state in which people who are not Republicans are able to participate freely and fully in the democratic process?” asks Sanders. “Have right-wing reactionaries, through threats and acts of violence, intimidated people with different points of view from expressing their political positions?”

“My colleague, Senator John McCain, issued a very strong statement after the shooting in which he condemned the perpetrator of the attack. I commend him for that. But I believe Senator McCain and other Arizona Republicans need to do more,” Sanders said. “As the elder statesman of Arizona politics McCain needs to stand up and denounce the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the right-wing and exert his influence to create a civil political environment in his state.”

blogs.abcnews.com...

Yes it does undo his statement yesterday.

See how he says McCain needs to do more than just condemn the violence? Well this guy was inspired by Bernie to kill, and yet all he does is condemn.

Did you here Bernie do as he suggested McCain do, to "stand up and denounce the increasingly violent rhetoric coming from the left-wing and exert his influence to create a civil political environment"? Nope. Se he was quick to judge others when it was convenient for him, but now that the shoe is on the other foot he doesn't want to do what he suggested the right do.

Bernie can"t claim this was just a lone nut, because he blamed Giffords shooting on violent rhetoric from the right. So now he must accept that his rhetoric and those on the left cause this, or apoligize for his post Gifford comments.

Or be a hypocrite, which as a rich socialists he has plenty of experience with.

a reply to: Kali74

People have conveniently forgotten the atmosphere he was in. If Bernie is a hypocrite, so are the republicans. Now they want to be friends and peacemakers.

From the blog:
The Vermont senator, who caucuses with Democrats, cited past Arizona incidents such as vandalism at Rep. Gabrielle Giffords’ district office after the health care reform vote and Sarah Palin’s “crosshairs” map, as well as other outbreaks of violence like when a bullet was shot into Rep. Raul Grijalva’s office.

originally posted by: Dutchowl
a reply to: shawmanfromny>>>> And now the conspiracy theories have to be discussed. Scalise had two irons in the fire right now. One, he had just made a statement against human trafficking and apparently was on board with those who believe its a far far bigger problem than anyone ever imagined. His staffers were sent pizza last night by the dem minority whip, Steny Hoyer. That's been taken as an obscene and offensive message given the continuing and expanding probe into Pizzagate. This shooter, Hodgkinson abused his foster kids, one even committed suicide by dousing herself with gasoline and igniting it. That sounds damn scary in retrospect. Then also there was a new gun bill which was since cancelled, one that would have loosened the restrictions on silencers. Scalise co wrote it. I think this jerk had help in planning what he did. He had help in knowing who to target , where to find him, and help getting to DC. I don't think the FBI will do its job so its up to internet people o do the legwork. And Scalise was sent to the one hospital he didn't want to go to, medstar. They were the ones who let Seth Rich die even when he was expected to pull through. The shooter Hodgkinson didn't make it.

[/ququotWhere did you get info on a daughter that doused herself and lit it? The only case I know of that happening around here was when an old friend of mine did that. But that was 20 years ago. Although, she was a foster kid I don't remember who her parents were.

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