Went to a local mosque and this is what I overheard being taught to young Muslims

a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.

No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: 23432

So the women have to get shunted out into different rooms and use different entrances..sorry, but from my perspective, that IS disrespectful to women, by excluding them because men can't control their urges. It totally objectifies women and is something that in Western culture, women have been fighting against for many, many years. Even in islamic countries, many women see the veil as a tool of oppression. You only have to look at pictures of Iran in the 1970's compared to now to see that.

Veil is pre-islamic and there is no mentioning of veil in Quran .

I myself would leave it to individual concern to make the decision .

If I was preying and a pretty women was sitting next to me than I would be distracted .

If you are talking about women abuse in general than I agree with you .

But when you take a universal problem such as women abuse by men - which occurs in ALL societies - and reduce it to " Islam " and " Muslims " than I would have to point out that this is actually not true .

This is cultural tradition which predates Islam ; segragation and separation of sexes is also a practices which occurs in many societies in human history.

Islam says Heaven is to be found at the feet of Mothers [ women ].



For the record Wahabi Cultural practices are being sold as Islam and Quran ; it simply ain't the truth.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.

No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

Godless Mao and Godless Stalin alone has millions of people not so long ago.

Getting rid of religion only creates worst monsters .

You defend no religion society while not mentioning the 10's of millions of innocent civilians the USSR & Chinese Communist Party has killed ?

I don't think you have a solution.

originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: 23432


Men gets turned on by scent , sight , thought and presence of Women , period.

gtfo of here with that crap.
maybe at is most basic and primal....sure
turned on by the presence of a woman?
maybe in the barbaric, primal areas of the word sure.

i am around women all the time and am not turned on by the mere presence of them.

and about the head scarf...it is not mandatory you say? just a cover and it is their choice.

why do they all choose to wear a blanket over their whole body then?

its twisted beliefs and i dont mean just islam.

i am really enjoying what lungfu posted.

It is a natural and normal for Men to be turned on by scent , sight , thought and presence of Women.

Lungfu is defending the position of mass murderers Mao and Stalin ; neither of muslim.



You don't need to apoligise for being a Man .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.
No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

Godless Mao and Godless Stalin alone has millions of people not so long ago.

Getting rid of religion only creates worst monsters .

You defend no religion society while not mentioning the 10's of millions of innocent civilians the USSR & Chinese Communist Party has killed ?

I don't think you have a solution.

You think that no religion is synonymous with communism? That they are mutually inclusive?

Nobody is saying that the government should ban religious practises, or that religious people should be actively persecuted. You go from one extreme to the other.

It's the inherent idea that we must be respectful and tolerant of this stupidity that's the problem. Maybe if we didn't pander to them constantly...why should I respect someone's right to believe something that is clearly absurd and has no basis in reality?

Why should we continue to allow our children to be indoctrinated with this junk?

Because...communism? Please!

I'd be defending the position os Mao and Stalin if I were preaching communism, I'm not...being against religion and being communist are two totally different things.

originally posted by: Quantum_Squirrel
Taqiyya (taqiya, taqiyah, taqiyyah) is a form of Islamic deception. The Quran (16:106 and 3:28) allows Muslims to lie in order to protect themselves or to protect the Muslim community.

that is all

Factually incorrect .

Taqiyya is allowed when there is imminent danger of death.

On all other occasions lying is forbidden and lying gets you a SIn which makes it harder to get those virgins in Heaven .



Logical fallacy is what you believe .

Also, just to point out...getting rid of religion isn't what caused people like Stalin and Mao to exist.

They existed in spite of it, maybe the very existence of religion in the first place is what caused them to become what they became.

a reply to: 23432

Yes, but as a species we've moved on a bit...women should be entitled to go where they please, when they please, men should control themselves better. Here in the UK that message is taken on board and men now know that it is unacceptable to treat women as sexual objects and if they forget and put their hands on a women without her consent, then they will, quite rightly, end up in jail. Yes, it does still happen but there are legal consequences.

I know that the veil is not decreed by the quran, so why is it that so many women do indeed get oppressed by it, and I know that you are trying to separate the wahabbis from other islamic sects, but the truth is that there are many people who believe in that interpretation and it is frightening to think that those people walk among us and have zero respect for women at all.

Finally, do you not think that perhaps modernisation of the religion would help? Tell men, no sorry women have as much right to be in this room and walk through the same door as you do, you will just have to control yourself. Why is that not a thing?

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.
No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

Godless Mao and Godless Stalin alone has millions of people not so long ago.

Getting rid of religion only creates worst monsters .

You defend no religion society while not mentioning the 10's of millions of innocent civilians the USSR & Chinese Communist Party has killed ?

I don't think you have a solution.

You think that no religion is synonymous with communism? That they are mutually inclusive?

Nobody is saying that the government should ban religious practises, or that religious people should be actively persecuted. You go from one extreme to the other.

It's the inherent idea that we must be respectful and tolerant of this stupidity that's the problem. Maybe if we didn't pander to them constantly...why should I respect someone's right to believe something that is clearly absurd and has no basis in reality?

Why should we continue to allow our children to be indoctrinated with this junk?

Because...communism? Please!

I'd be defending the position os Mao and Stalin if I were preaching communism, I'm not...being against religion and being communist are two totally different things.

Communists were against religion too and they built societies where 10's of millions of innocent people got killed.

There is no known model of functioning society which is based on banning religion ; so what you are asking is Utopic.

And there is the real problem , the elephant in the room , the real culprit if you like :

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.
No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

Godless Mao and Godless Stalin alone has millions of people not so long ago.

Getting rid of religion only creates worst monsters .

You defend no religion society while not mentioning the 10's of millions of innocent civilians the USSR & Chinese Communist Party has killed ?

I don't think you have a solution.

You think that no religion is synonymous with communism? That they are mutually inclusive?

Nobody is saying that the government should ban religious practises, or that religious people should be actively persecuted. You go from one extreme to the other.

It's the inherent idea that we must be respectful and tolerant of this stupidity that's the problem. Maybe if we didn't pander to them constantly...why should I respect someone's right to believe something that is clearly absurd and has no basis in reality?

Why should we continue to allow our children to be indoctrinated with this junk?

Because...communism? Please!

I'd be defending the position os Mao and Stalin if I were preaching communism, I'm not...being against religion and being communist are two totally different things.

Communists were against religion too and they built societies where 10's of millions of innocent people got killed.

There is no known model of functioning society which is based on banning religion ; so what you are asking is Utopic.

And there is the real problem , the elephant in the room , the real culprit if you like :

To reiterate, nobody said anything about banning religion...are you seriously trying to imply that being against religion means you're inherently communist?

Do you realise how dumb that sounds? That's like saying we should stop treating cancer because the drugs can produce side effects in some people.

Stop worrying about that cancer that you know is dangerous because the treatment *might* make you ill. You're basically aligning myself and those like me with two monsters because we share one particular view...was the lack of religous practice directly to blame for the deaths?

The funny thing is, religion was still practised in secret under those communist regimes. How do you explain that?

Also, as I said previously, Stalin and Mao existed in spite of religion, it wasn't a lack of religion that produced those people, was it? Were they born into and raised in a godless society free from religios practises? No...no, they weren't, they were very much a product of such environments.

I could easily argue that if they'd been born into a world free of religion that they'd have gone on to live very meaningful and productive lives, your argument is ridiculous at best, sorry.

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: 23432

Well that was totally scripted, bears no relation to the shuffling women dressed head to toe in black that I've seen in areas of the UK, let alone Saudi..they can't even go out on their own.

And of course, totally ignores my question, which was not about hijabs, it was about segregation and separate entrances, how is that empowering?

ETA I prefer to walk through the front door, with my head held high, and be accepted and welcomed into a place as an equal, that, to me, is empowerment.

I disagree.

The issue here is Islam's allowance of Privatisation of Female Sexuality .

The female sexuality used as a commodity and Islam allows women to have an opt out .

Separation and segregation of sexes are both designed to create an enviroment where the faithfull have no distractions and can focus on being one with God .

You may visit any muslim family and can see whole families preying together .

Must not really believe in their faith if according to you seeing a woman can destroy it. And for just a question why would god want to hide something he created by saying it's a distraction?? Really means he screwed up making males if they can't control themselves.

Yes, but as a species we've moved on a bit...women should be entitled to go where they please, when they please, men should control themselves better. Here in the UK that message is taken on board and men now know that it is unacceptable to treat women as sexual objects and if they forget and put their hands on a women without her consent, then they will, quite rightly, end up in jail. Yes, it does still happen but there are legal consequences.

I live in Turkey where Women got the right to vote in 1935 .

Half of all doctors . nurses , teachers , lawyers etc are women in my neck of the woods and some do wear veils some don't ; frankly it is not my issue , girls can and do decide what they wear in my experience and I live in Istanbul.

First Woman Fighter Pilot comes from Turkey .

When the clip below was a norm for UK ; in Turkey no one in their right mind would belittle Women like the toffs .

I am British by the way .

I know that the veil is not decreed by the quran, so why is it that so many women do indeed get oppressed by it, and I know that you are trying to separate the wahabbis from other islamic sects, but the truth is that there are many people who believe in that interpretation and it is frightening to think that those people walk among us and have zero respect for women at all.

Gender Wars ; you are talking about Gender Wars . When Wahabis were discovered to be heretics and punished by most muslims in history ; we the British went and funded them and after the ww1 we put them in charge of Arabs .
Muslims themselves never put those Wahabis in power at all and today Wahabis are the sore thumb in Islamic World .
It is true that some muslim men have no respect for Western women but this is not because Islam or Quran says so ; it's more likely something to do with being colonised by Western nations .

Finally, do you not think that perhaps modernisation of the religion would help? Tell men, no sorry women have as much right to be in this room and walk through the same door as you do, you will just have to control yourself. Why is that not a thing?

Islam and Quran makes it clear that Women are superior to Men in many aspects simply because everyone comes from a Women .

Cultural & traditional norms are disguised as Islam & Quran and pushed onto unsuspecting public while the real criminals take the loot home .

While everyone is busy blaming muhammed ; NWO is progressing incrementally , day by day .

NWO wants you to think that Muslims & Christians can't live together ; despite the fact that historically , culturally and factually the truth is exactly the opposite .

This is a Conspiracy no one talks about .

a reply to: 23432

Yes, but like I say, we've moved on a bit. I am about to turn 50 and grew up in an era of change, from women being treated like domestic servants to being independent and powerful. I don't want to see that going backwards in my own country with women being forced to use separate entrances and being segregated from men, that, in my opinion is a step backwards

ETA and to be fair (now that you've edited your post and I can read it more clearly) you do seem to be moving the goal posts somewhat, going from women cannot pray with men as they are a distraction, to women being sacred beings..can't be both

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi

originally posted by: heavymental
a reply to: 23432

islam is exactly the problem. other religions may push may encraoch may be heavyhanded at some point in their history . Only islam mandates that the end goal is total submission of the entire world. islam is barely about religion. It is a political system that uses religion as the impetus to fire up the believers. The political advantage is the real objective.
So even if religion is taken away islam is the most dangerous evil force politically the earth has ever known

While I agree that Islam is a greater problem than say, christianity...I disagree with the sentiment.
No quarter should be given to primitive beliefs, allowing this stuff to exist without scrutiny and criticism is what has perpetuated it for centuries.

It all need to end, we need to slowly work it out of existence, all of it. I ain't never done a shred of good and never will, believing in god is about as productive and intelligent as believing in leprechauns.

This is the kind of rhetoric I mean...religious people aren't entitled to respect, quite the contrary. We should start now, teaching kids in schools...there are some people who believe in a fictional being called god, it makes them crazy. You should pity them...and don't let them control you by putting hte fear of god in you.

Because there is no need to fear that which doesn't exist.

ETA - to quote Sam Harris: we need to be able to criticise bad ideas, Islam is the motherload of bad ideas!

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

Godless Mao and Godless Stalin alone has millions of people not so long ago.

Getting rid of religion only creates worst monsters .

You defend no religion society while not mentioning the 10's of millions of innocent civilians the USSR & Chinese Communist Party has killed ?

I don't think you have a solution.

You think that no religion is synonymous with communism? That they are mutually inclusive?

Nobody is saying that the government should ban religious practises, or that religious people should be actively persecuted. You go from one extreme to the other.

It's the inherent idea that we must be respectful and tolerant of this stupidity that's the problem. Maybe if we didn't pander to them constantly...why should I respect someone's right to believe something that is clearly absurd and has no basis in reality?

Why should we continue to allow our children to be indoctrinated with this junk?

Because...communism? Please!

I'd be defending the position os Mao and Stalin if I were preaching communism, I'm not...being against religion and being communist are two totally different things.

Communists were against religion too and they built societies where 10's of millions of innocent people got killed.

There is no known model of functioning society which is based on banning religion ; so what you are asking is Utopic.

And there is the real problem , the elephant in the room , the real culprit if you like :

To reiterate, nobody said anything about banning religion...are you seriously trying to imply that being against religion means you're inherently communist?

Do you realise how dumb that sounds? That's like saying we should stop treating cancer because the drugs can produce side effects in some people.

Stop worrying about that cancer that you know is dangerous because the treatment *might* make you ill. You're basically aligning myself and those like me with two monsters because we share one particular view...was the lack of religous practice directly to blame for the deaths?

The funny thing is, religion was still practised in secret under those communist regimes. How do you explain that?

Also, as I said previously, Stalin and Mao existed in spite of religion, it wasn't a lack of religion that produced those people, was it? Were they born into and raised in a godless society free from religios practises? No...no, they weren't, they were very much a product of such environments.

I could easily argue that if they'd been born into a world free of religion that they'd have gone on to live very meaningful and productive lives, your argument is ridiculous at best, sorry.

Agreed...but why stop at Islam, why pretend religion is a good idea in any capacity when it clearly isn't. It makes people mentally ill, pious, sanctamonious, self-righteous, nasty, violent, intolerant.

It's a virus that needs to be eradicated.

have I misunderstood you ?

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: 23432

Yes, but like I say, we've moved on a bit. I am about to turn 50 and grew up in an era of change, from women being treated like domestic servants to being independent and powerful. I don't want to see that going backwards in my own country with women being forced to use separate entrances and being segregated from men, that, in my opinion is a step backwards

ETA and to be fair (now that you've edited your post and I can read it more clearly) you do seem to be moving the goal posts somewhat, going from women cannot pray with men as they are a distraction, to women being sacred beings..can't be both

Islam doesn't say women can't prey with men ; it says to both men and women to avert their eyes from strangers of the opposite sex so temptation can be avoided .

Imagine in the Mosque if I am preying and a women is kneeling in front of me and my eye sight is filled with a pair of buttocks .

At least it's a comical situation while I am attempting to prey the God for my cancer stricken child .

I repeat , Islam and Quran doesn't forbid preying together ; you can witness this in any muslim household .

In the 6th Century Women could own and operate their own businesses , need I remind you the Right of Women in West 1400 years ago ?

This is what Islam says :

“The pursuit of knowledge is a duty of every Muslim, man and woman”.

" Paradise lies under the feet of mothers”

“Men are support for women,”

“Among the praiseworthy acts to Allah is to treat your mother with honor and respect,”

“Be just among your children, daughters and sons, provide them good education and proper upbringing.”

Mohammed washed his clothing thru out his marriage and he is on record helping with household chores .

You never hear of these facts ; why do you think that is ?

Here is an antidote for the MSM poison you believe :

ias.org...

Women are sacred in Islam and you can prey men & women together under the same roof.

originally posted by: 23432




If I was preying and a pretty women was sitting next to me than I would be distracted .
.

then you have a serious problem with being able to control yourself and/or focus.
i mean prayer is supposed to be this serious thing right? yet you would be distracted if a pretty woman sits next to you.

people like you are the problem then. all the guys that get all rapey mc raperson if they see more than a womans #in cankle.
give me a break.

how in the hell do all the muslims in the united states deal with all the dime pieces walking around in coochie shorts and tank tops?
they deal cause in this country if they get all rapey they have a serious problem and it is most definitely their fault if they get all riled up.
apparently in muslim countries it is not like that and instead of i dont know, being a #ing civilized human and not getting rapey they want women to cover up with blankets.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: 23432

Well that was totally scripted, bears no relation to the shuffling women dressed head to toe in black that I've seen in areas of the UK, let alone Saudi..they can't even go out on their own.

And of course, totally ignores my question, which was not about hijabs, it was about segregation and separate entrances, how is that empowering?

ETA I prefer to walk through the front door, with my head held high, and be accepted and welcomed into a place as an equal, that, to me, is empowerment.

I disagree.

The issue here is Islam's allowance of Privatisation of Female Sexuality .

The female sexuality used as a commodity and Islam allows women to have an opt out .

Separation and segregation of sexes are both designed to create an enviroment where the faithfull have no distractions and can focus on being one with God .

You may visit any muslim family and can see whole families preying together .

Must not really believe in their faith if according to you seeing a woman can destroy it. And for just a question why would god want to hide something he created by saying it's a distraction?? Really means he screwed up making males if they can't control themselves.

Imagine for a second that you are in the Mosque and preying to God for your sick child and in front of you a woman is doing " Ben Dover " , repeatedly and your attention is needlessly drawn to her curves .

Oneness with God requires no other thoughts in the mind of the faithfull .

originally posted by: 23432


It is a natural and normal for Men to be turned on by scent , sight , thought and presence of Women.

Lungfu is defending the position of mass murderers Mao and Stalin ; neither of muslim.

You don't need to apoligise for being a Man .

women get turned on my male scents as well. i dont need a lesson on that.
you make it seem like men are #ing wolves and when theyre at the grocery store if they get a scent of some pink theyre gonna go all rapey unless the women is covered. thats how im taking your posts.
its laughable.

i ask again then...since men are so turned on by all these female sights and smells how do all the muslim men in this country and other western countries handle being around it every day without going crazy.

a reply to: 23432

Woah..I would expect you to be thinking about nothing else except your sick child...why would you be interested in another woman's buttocks when you're married with a child... That's what I mean about men learning to control their urges, don't blame the woman, blame the man who is thinking only about his own sexual gratification rather than his family, and anyway, she'll be head to toe in cloth, so you probably wouldn't see her buttocks anyway.

Within a family situation I would expect equality, that's how I live my life, but I would be horrified if any partner of mine was immediately turned on by a strange women walking past him, just the same as I wouldn't be eyeing up other men if I was in a relationship. As far as I am concerned it is about love and respect and if you truly love and respect someone, you wouldn't want sexual relations with anyone else