Went to a local mosque and this is what I overheard being taught to young Muslims

originally posted by: eletheia


Really

Yeah , really .

originally posted by: TheNewsMan
With all due respect, ISeekTruth101, I'm highly skeptical of your claims.

That is fair enough, I've never shared something like this online before and get called a liar for it, it's quite a weird feeling.

Anyways I understand some people won't believe me, and I feel even if I had recorded it.. others would have called it staged or hoax.

Regardless, I'm happy that a lot of open minded individuals on ATS were touched in someway by what I shared, I certainly was as I prayed and overhead what was being taught.

a reply to: ISeekTruth101

I wouldn't go as far as to call you a liar for what you heard. I am simply saying what you heard is basically the antithesis of what their holy book teaches.

Sadly, the terrorists are doing it right, if they are following the book. Because the Quran is madness, written (or rather told) by a mad man.

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: ISeekTruth101
Because the Quran is madness, written (or rather told) by a mad man.

You haven't read it .

Your stand is one of Pinnacle of Ignorance , factually and literally .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: ISeekTruth101
Because the Quran is madness, written (or rather told) by a mad man.

You haven't read it .

Your stand is one of Pinnacle of Ignorance , factually and literally .

Actually I have It's a hodge podge of seemingly noble scripture (for Muslims only of course). But the violence insisted upon non-believers is the most prevalent aspect above all. Where do you think the Jihadi's get their so called 'interpretations' ?

Muslims will not even dispute the violent scripture. You can easily find videos trying to explain it in their version of "context" of their Anti-Non-Muslim scripture.

originally posted by: WhyDidIJoin
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

You didn't really say if you're new to the religion or not. From your observation I assume you didn't take these classes as a kid yourself, like the kids in your story. If you did take it as a kid, did they teach you what the Quaran teaches you? An angry god ordering the death of all infidels.

I was raised as Muslim from birth till I came of age where I then continued the practise of Islam willingly and consciously. I had a few 'classes' in my childhood, and a few more into adulthood.

I've seen things, things like deep and unconditional love. I've also witnessed UnQualified hate, that appears to have no end. The extremes of our nature, how would you reconcile the two?

A thought provoking question - and difficult to answer in a few lines. I can say that the Quran does cover this topic, but it's a complicated one.

Your god from the Quaran is an angry god, through some scribbles on paper is able to convince kids to throw on bomb vests and kill innocents to this day. Those boys, all they did was swallow a placebo pill, the power of suggestion.

What exactly is this god saying? Worship me and my great anger!?

I refuse to believe mothers are having kids just to be martyrs, children are not tools to spread hatred.

Well, I refuse to believe that people enjoy having large explosive's strapped to their back, running into populated places and then blowing themselves up without reason or motive. Now, no where in the Quran to my knowledge, does it say do something like that.

So it's clearly not the Quran. But even if a book did say do that, how many people would do it? And who would be wrong? The book or reader? And how could such a book become so popular with 1.6 billion followers. You exist as part of a species where 25% may blow themselves up? How do you deal with that? Fortunately this is not the case.

The fact is 'terrorism' has been around for a long time, and it's more rooted in human nature, maybe even politics than it is religious scripture. You can't have a religion that entices followers by instructing them to commit suicide, and to kill others in the process. Plus you should give the followers a little more credit they are humans like you and me, and have equal sometimes even more intelligence.

So to answer your question, no Allah is not an angry god, but hes anger is limitless when you do anger him... but even then - it's only the culprits that get punished, not innocent people. This is Islamic scripture.

originally posted by: EyeKyu

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: ISeekTruth101
Because the Quran is madness, written (or rather told) by a mad man.

You haven't read it .

Your stand is one of Pinnacle of Ignorance , factually and literally .

Actually I have It's a hodge podge of seemingly noble scripture (for Muslims only of course). But the violence insisted upon non-believers is the most prevalent aspect above all. Where do you think the Jihadi's get their so called 'interpretations' ?

Muslims will not even dispute the violent scripture. You can easily find videos trying to explain it in their version of "context" of their Anti-Non-Muslim scripture.

In times of peace violence is not permitted and in times of war it is permitted to an extent .

here are the moral guides for muslim in a war ;




maybe you need to re-read the Quran and find out where these human virtues originates from within the book.

your understanding of Quran must lead you to these guides , otherwise you never understood the message of Islam .

Peace.

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

I wouldn't go as far as to call you a liar for what you heard. I am simply saying what you heard is basically the antithesis of what their holy book teaches.

Sadly, the terrorists are doing it right, if they are following the book. Because the Quran is madness, written (or rather told) by a mad man.

I see, well may I ask if you have read the Quran more than once, back to back, as this is what it takes to begin discussing and breaking down the teaching contained within.

At least from there, we can analyse if this book is really teaching its followers to create chaos, and destruction.

By Quoting verses, and dissecting what came before and after it, and what has been said in the previous chapter for example you can build a contextual picture of what is being conveyed as opposed to cherry picking verses that cannot stand by themselves.

So I welcome that exchange, and of course there are many teaching in the Quran that will be difficult to grasp by Muslims and non Muslims, hence the book does urge you to seek knowledge and reflect on things.

Quran takes precedent over any other Islamic scripture as Muslims believe it to be the word of God, unchanged. And thIS is fundamental to believing in a high power that does not make mistakes. Otherwise, logically, you are wasting your time believing in anything contained within.

a reply to: 23432

lo, give me a break Muslim apologist.



And what is going on in Western Europe. Could it be something of this nature?

a reply to: EyeKyu

WOW...

The "US" vs. "THEM" is strong.

I SEEM to recall Christians doing the "special status" and "Christianity of ELSE!" game as well...

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: 23432

lo, give me a break Muslim apologist.

And what is going on in Western Europe. Could it be something of this nature?

What you believe is not true .

Taqiyya is used only when death threat is present .

I have given you the factual guide lines from mohammed and you are showing me out of context information as truth.

Guide lines is the authority because it comes from muhammeds mouth while your info is fake as $ 3 dollar bill.

I am surprised how can you not spot the fakery and ask pertinent questions like why main stream media is pushing muslims and islam as an enemy .

Muslims are only permitted to lie when their lives in direct and imminent danger .

if they lie without the danger than that is a Sin according to Islam and they not getting their 72 virgins as a result of not speaking the truth .

How do you not see the logical fallacy of your narrative and perspective ?

I dare say because you are ignorant of the truth and you have been converted by MSM propaganda .

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: 23432

lo, give me a break Muslim apologist.

And what is going on in Western Europe. Could it be something of this nature?

What you believe is not true .

Taqiyya is used only when death threat is present .

I have given you the factual guide lines from mohammed and you are showing me out of context information as truth.

Guide lines is the authority because it comes from muhammeds mouth while your info is fake as $ 3 dollar bill.

I am surprised how can you not spot the fakery and ask pertinent questions like why main stream media is pushing muslims and islam as an enemy .

Muslims are only permitted to lie when their lives in direct and imminent danger .

if they lie without the danger than that is a Sin according to Islam and they not getting their 72 virgins as a result of not speaking the truth .

How do you not see the logical fallacy of your narrative and perspective ?

I dare say because you are ignorant of the truth and you have been converted by MSM propaganda .

What MSM are you referring to exactly? CNN MSN buzz feed salon BBC? Because I see apologists and people making excuses.

Being critical of Islam is healthy just like people being critical of Christians. Islam is about to be the most dominant religion and deserves the criticism.

The wests SJWS treat Islam like a race when its a religion.

Can't control your race but you can control your religion and how you act based on your beliefs.

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: 23432

lo, give me a break Muslim apologist.

And what is going on in Western Europe. Could it be something of this nature?

What you believe is not true .

Taqiyya is used only when death threat is present .

I have given you the factual guide lines from mohammed and you are showing me out of context information as truth.

Guide lines is the authority because it comes from muhammeds mouth while your info is fake as $ 3 dollar bill.

I am surprised how can you not spot the fakery and ask pertinent questions like why main stream media is pushing muslims and islam as an enemy .

Muslims are only permitted to lie when their lives in direct and imminent danger .

if they lie without the danger than that is a Sin according to Islam and they not getting their 72 virgins as a result of not speaking the truth .

How do you not see the logical fallacy of your narrative and perspective ?

I dare say because you are ignorant of the truth and you have been converted by MSM propaganda .

What MSM are you referring to exactly? CNN MSN buzz feed salon BBC? Because I see apologists and people making excuses.

Being critical of Islam is healthy just like people being critical of Christians. Islam is about to be the most dominant religion and deserves the criticism.

The wests SJWS treat Islam like a race when its a religion.

Can't control your race but you can control your religion and how you act based on your beliefs.

if you believe that 9/11 was islam than that is proof that you've been hooked by msm and conditioned to accept a pre determined narrative about muslims and islam.

with all due respect being critical of islam is not what we are witnessing ; it's more like cultivated fear making attacks and wild accusations .

it's like claiming that ALL Christians believe a snake bite won't harm them because Jesus protects them .

Truth is a few Christians believe and follow this tradition so if i was to make claim otherwise than it would be rather ignorant of me to do so .

Similarly , non muslims fall for this fallacy of being critical of something that they have never read nor properly understood .

And that is not Denying Ignorance ; it is embracing Ignorance .

a reply to: DanteGaland

Us vs Them? Yes, first perpetrated by the Muslims. Their scripture commands them to decimate Jews and Christians. The Quran doesn't simply state believe in 'Allah,' It says, Believe in Allah and his Prophet Muhammad OR ELSE, to Paraphrase.

None can co-exist with a religion/culture that is this aggressively violent towards others, furthermore each other (Sunnis Shias,) they can't even get along with each other.

Muhammad is a joke to me, and his followers are sheep. It is impossible to co-exist with Islam. Which is why they should stay in their own region. It is not a coincidence that they are the aggressors in violent spiritual attacks 99.9999% of the time.

As for the Crusades well. I'm no proper historian but I've read a little about a lot. They were also the aggressors many years, when Christians finally began fighting back some 400 years later. I suppose your suggestion is that the Christians went to far? Well golly gee, I imagine we can forgive Christians for a little blood lust after 400 years of assaults on Christian lands.

a reply to: EyeKyu

Well since YOU brought up the CRUSADES...

European Crusaders practiced CANNIBALISM...

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: JDmOKI

originally posted by: 23432

originally posted by: EyeKyu
a reply to: 23432

lo, give me a break Muslim apologist.

And what is going on in Western Europe. Could it be something of this nature?

What you believe is not true .

Taqiyya is used only when death threat is present .

I have given you the factual guide lines from mohammed and you are showing me out of context information as truth.

Guide lines is the authority because it comes from muhammeds mouth while your info is fake as $ 3 dollar bill.

I am surprised how can you not spot the fakery and ask pertinent questions like why main stream media is pushing muslims and islam as an enemy .

Muslims are only permitted to lie when their lives in direct and imminent danger .

if they lie without the danger than that is a Sin according to Islam and they not getting their 72 virgins as a result of not speaking the truth .

How do you not see the logical fallacy of your narrative and perspective ?

I dare say because you are ignorant of the truth and you have been converted by MSM propaganda .

What MSM are you referring to exactly? CNN MSN buzz feed salon BBC? Because I see apologists and people making excuses.

Being critical of Islam is healthy just like people being critical of Christians. Islam is about to be the most dominant religion and deserves the criticism.

The wests SJWS treat Islam like a race when its a religion.

Can't control your race but you can control your religion and how you act based on your beliefs.

if you believe that 9/11 was islam than that is proof that you've been hooked by msm and conditioned to accept a pre determined narrative about muslims and islam.

with all due respect being critical of islam is not what we are witnessing ; it's more like cultivated fear making attacks and wild accusations .

it's like claiming that ALL Christians believe a snake bite won't harm them because Jesus protects them .

Truth is a few Christians believe and follow this tradition so if i was to make claim otherwise than it would be rather ignorant of me to do so .

Similarly , non muslims fall for this fallacy of being critical of something that they have never read nor properly understood .

And that is not Denying Ignorance ; it is embracing Ignorance .

I reject all organized religions and Islam is far far from perfect. I don't make excuses for any religion and a part of the history of Islam is conquest forced conversion and slavery. I don't have issues with Muslims I have an issue with Islam and religion in general

And I'm not.going to discuss 9/11 theories

pot meets kettle ...

originally posted by: DanteGaland
a reply to: EyeKyu

Well since YOU brought up the CRUSADES...

European Crusaders practiced CANNIBALISM...

They don't know , they all think noble knights conducted the crusades.

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: TheNewsMan
With all due respect, ISeekTruth101, I'm highly skeptical of your claims.

That is fair enough, I've never shared something like this online before and get called a liar for it, it's quite a weird feeling.

Anyways I understand some people won't believe me, and I feel even if I had recorded it.. others would have called it staged or hoax.

Regardless, I'm happy that a lot of open minded individuals on ATS were touched in someway by what I shared, I certainly was as I prayed and overhead what was being taught.

May I ask what language this instruction was being given in?

originally posted by: ISeekTruth101

originally posted by: destination now
a reply to: ISeekTruth101

There were probably about 25 boys there from what I saw, and two teachers. I overheard the teacher saying the following things to the young Muslims:

that's a shame that the girls were not allowed to join in ...that really is my big issue with islam, that it segregates the sexes and in many ways treats women and girls as 2nd class citizens

That's not entirely true, I have visited this particular Mosque before and I have seen young girls (as old as the boys) enter from a backside entrance to the upper floor to receive their education. It all is of course segregated.

But why is it segregated, and why the heck should girls use the back entrance, sorry but your religion is so disrespectful of women that I cannot support it in any way.