there is NO nwo, i repeat NO nwo

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by staver
As for the moderator, and I can't believe this came from one, and that no one else has jumped all over it yet, I can't even begin to list the things that are wrong with the statement "why the hell should they have to do that". That, in essence, is what is wrong with the majority of our world. That type of indifference absolutely makes my skin crawl.

What's wrong with this? They earned their money, why should they have to give it away. It would be NICE if they were more charitable, but they shouldn't HAVE to be. Are you a communist? Socialist? THAT type of indifference for someone's own property, just because they have a lot of it, makes MY skin crawl.

Hell no I'm no socialist, etc. Absolutely it should not be REQUIRED that a person gives their money away, but the attitude was more that they shouldn't do it at all. There's a big difference. Of course, in a country over run with greed, why should I be suprised.

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer
Check some details on how the Federal Reserve Bank operates.
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So the US is corporate owned...By a foreign-originated corporation, no less.

Nothing you said is news to me (or most people), I know exactly how the fed operates. But the original argument was that the United States is a corporation and foreign owned... now you are stating that the US is simply corporate-owned, which is also false. You could say that the banking system upon which the US economy operates is foreign-supported, then you might have an argument. But please don't revise your original argument thinking that I wouldn't notice.

Look around & you can see that more people than ever are unemployed because major corporations are going down in scandal...Or even merely massively "downsizing" & putting people out of work. No jobs... Yeah, the US is doing real good with this system.

Looking at it in terms of standard of living, average salary, individual investment opportunity and small-to-mid-size business growth, I think the U.S. is doing much better than you give credit for. Unsecured debt has put INDIVIDUAL finances in peril, but the country's economy is still strong.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Our property cannot be taken from us.

Yes it can because it's not our property anymore.

Can you give me an example of the last time someone's property was just taken from them. If there was no investment security in a home, nobody would own real estate. I don't know which "laws" you're refrring to, but real estate law differs greatly from state to state.

Anytime you purchase the deed to some land, that deed describes you as the "tenant", not the owner. If the land was truly yours, then you wouldn't have to owe "property taxes" to anybody.

Can you show me an example of a deed that says this? Do you even know what a DEED is? The American Heritage Dictionary defines it as "A document sealed as an instrument of bond, contract, or conveyance, especially relating to property". In other words, it's a certificate of rights and entitlement to property. It cannot simply be taken from you.

The Supreme Court's recent ruling that you can be forced to sell your property is a tough issue, but it has nothing to do with the gov't being able to TAKE your property.

If the land was truly yours, then you wouldn't have to owe "property taxes" to anybody. Because that deed describes you as tenant, that legally implies that someone else actually owns the land. Since your "property taxes go to the government, guess who actually owns it?

Property tax is not payment for the property. Property tax is a means of collecting money from any money you might make by owning the property. That is why property tax varies depending on the value of the property. But since the land that you own IS in an actual country, there is a relationship between you, your property, and the state/ country that it is in. My guess is that this is what the word "tenant" refers to.

Check the real estate laws concerning "aluvial land" if you want to see it for yourself.

Which state?

All of this is documented fact, so is there anything else you need clarified?

If it's documented fact, please provide the documentation.


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[edit on 23-7-2005 by sebatwerk]

The Legislative Act of February 21, 1871, Forty-first Congress, Session III, Chapter 62, page 419, chartered a Federal company entitled “United States,” a/k/a “US Inc.,” a “Commercial Agency” originally designated as “Washington, D.C.,” in accordance with the so-called 14th Amendment, which the record indicates was never ratified (see Utah Supreme Court Cases, Dyett v Turner, (1968) 439 P2d 266, 267; State v Phillips, (1975) 540 P 2d 936; as well as Coleman v. Miller, 307 U.S. 448, 59 S. Ct. 972; 28 Tulane Law Review, 22; 11 South Carolina Law Quarterly 484; Congressional Record, June 13, 1967, pp. 15641-15646). A “citizen of the United States” is a civilly dead entity operating as a co-trustee and co-beneficiary of the PCT, the constructive, cestui que trust of US Inc. under the 14th Amendment, which upholds the debt of the USA and US Inc. in Section 4.


In conformity with the above-referenced creation of United States (1871) and the 14th Amendment, the Legislature of each State created a limited-liability corporation, chartered in a private, military, international, commercial, admiralty/maritime jurisdiction, entitled “STATE OF…” e.g. “STATE OF CALIFORNIA,” as evidenced by, inter alia, the change in the seal and the creation of a new constitution, e.g. Constitution of the State of California (1879), concerning which, re California:

a. A general partnership agreement, hereinafter “General Partnership,” exists between the California Republic (1849), and STATE OF CALIFORNIA (1879), with STATE OF CALIFORNIA acting as governmental controller.

b. STATE OF CALIFORNIA now acts as an agent/instrumentality of United States, collecting whole life insurance premiums, known as “taxes,” for the International Monetary Fund, based, inter alia, upon the Limited Liability Act of 1851 and the bankruptcy of United States of 1933, see House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933; Public Law 73-10; Perry v. U.S. (1935), 294 U.S. 330-381, 79 L Ed 912; 31 USC 5112, 5119.

www.wealth4freedom.com...

Yes, the US is indeed a Corporation. The United States of America =/= US. Look at the way things are typed when you see a document that comes straight from THE STATE or anything like that, pay very close attention to the way NAMES (including your own name) are typed, names of places are important too. The reason why these small details are so important because they are the links in the chain back to these Amendments and Laws passed that hold so much power, and they are so hidden in the sense that normally no one would ever suspect otherwise without seriously analyzing the way things are run.

I simply belive nwo is coming because of the simple facts:

1 Bush father(the big bush) when he was president he went live anouncing the nwo several times on live tv.

2 The patriot act states that you are not really allowed to talk to offen about the new world order


3 all the cover ups involved in the 911 (fbi agents wanted to do a investigation but they where stoped by bush claiming national security)

Any one that does not see either has a limited capablity on learning in general or he is part of it, i'm sure some of them are around here on this forum tryng to shift the facts, it might even be you

Just a thought...
If every multi billionaire were to havea secret meeting or just talk to eachother about using their money together to control different and many parts of the world...Why dont you think they could take over the world? With money comes followers and power...Hitler almoust did it by himself...I know it was different times but these days i feel people are even more money hungry and greedy and ruthless...Dont think it cant happen

Originally posted by ThinkB4uSpeak
Just a thought...
If every multi billionaire were to havea secret meeting or just talk to eachother about using their money together to control different and many parts of the world...Why dont you think they could take over the world? With money comes followers and power...Hitler almoust did it by himself...I know it was different times but these days i feel people are even more money hungry and greedy and ruthless...Dont think it cant happen

There is one major flaw in your scenario.

Human nature.

That scenario requires too many different people with competing interests to cooperate and work together with total trust in each other and no greed for themselves.

Yeah, right.

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Our property cannot be taken from us.

Yes it can because it's not our property anymore. Anytime you purchase the deed to some land, that deed describes you as the "tenant", not the owner. If the land was truly yours, then you wouldn't have to owe "property taxes" to anybody. Because that deed describes you as tenant, that legally implies that someone else actually owns the land. Since your "property taxes" go to the government, guess who actually owns it?
Check the real estate laws concerning "aluvial land" if you want to see it for yourself.

I don’t believe that you understand the concept of Property Rights as they have been viewed throughout history.

www.urbanext.uiuc.edu...

Some info on the distinction between “Real Estate” and “Real Property.”

www.privatelandownernetwork.org...

O lol my own post contradictied itself...well yeah good point man...Greed is a good thing at some points of time

Originally posted by imAMERICAN: your all being paranoid, there is NO NWO, none!

So if we are all just paranoid then docs like this are what? cartoons? funnypages? fiction?

Originally posted by missinginmaine
So if we are all just paranoid then docs like this are what? cartoons? funnypages? fiction?

Just because someone wants a new order doesn't mean it actually exists.

Originally posted by Esoterica: Just because someone wants a new order doesn't mean it actually exists.

Sure, that's what they want you to think.

Aside from the repeated disrespecting of each others ideas on this thread there is still a good discussion going on. One thing I have not seen anyone mention is the Bilderbergs. The 160 or so of the most powerful people in the world that meet yearly, except for the few people dedicated to trying to keep an eye on these people, noone seems to know about what or who is involved with these meetings. Princes and prime ministers , ambassadors and media moguls are seen at a distance at these gatherings but with extremly heavy police and military security noone can get close enough to know EXACTLY who is there let alone what they are planning. There also seems to be missing the council on foriegn relations who make american policies and run the government. As I have said in another thread, there are probably many secret societies at odds with each other. The NWO is alive and well and buried in the bueraucracies of the UN/America/ EU/and world bank. Remember just because the NWO hasn't come out and proclaimed themselves, that doesn't mean they are not a reality. Try to keep an open mind and READ a little. Even in the most paranoid conspiracy theories there may be a sliver of truth. Of course that doesn't mean ALL conspiracies are true but there may be something hidden in them that makes some kind of sense.

maybe it's because these secret societies which some believe are the NWO are actually doing some stuff that's just straight up freaky naughty, and it would be embarassing to reveal that the world's most powerful people are doing these things?

just thinking in type

May somebody please teach this guy some economics.

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning

Originally posted by bpletcj
AlwaysLearning.

Dude you live in Canada, I think your safe from the big bad USA and the NWO

Bud - I don't think any of us are safe...and its not just the big bad USA. All's I know is that rich and powerful people keep getting richer and more powerful and its not their kids that get killed fighting in the streets of Iraq. Just one small example. Why world hunger when there are rich people who could feed the world and it wouldn't even make a dent in their bank accounts??? You have a wonder...even just a little bit.

I prefer to be suspicious and question everything that doesn't smell right. That's a personal choice...you do what you like.

You go, friend. Why ask someone else to teach what you can do yourself?

As far as the NWO existing or not, I would suggest browsing back a few editions of the ATS Weekly; I wrote a few articles that were meant to provide a little insight on the concept of the NWO, a primer to get your brain in gear.

They are out to control the world, and it is probably worse than it appears.

Originally posted by imAMERICAN
even if there was, it would be impossible to enforce, the civilized world is too big, it would take BILLIONS OF TROOPS to occupy the world...who would finance this? who would supply the men, and why would the world crumble to a few dozen people...

Originally posted by iksmodnad
why would you want to control the whole world, you would have to worry about taking care of every body, not only that your money would be so wide spread you could not even support your own government, not to mention 7 billion people against an army and a dictator.

You're basicly saying that the NWO can't exist or wouldn't be worth it because there are so many people in the world? The obvious solution to that problem is: kill off a large portion of the population and drasticly lower birthrates.
There are many ways of doing that.

One who chooses not believe that the New World Order cometh is just too fearful to concieve it's scope and intent. I find the whole notion of the world just moving along is some haphazard fashion far more unbelievable than that there is some grand ancient scheme or design in place.The most modest home built in the western world is planned to within 1/16th of an inch. Why wouldn't there be an architect for mankind....good or bad?.When I was twenty -five my father who had been OSI in the military told me what he had seen and believed that we were all being duped into beliefs about America that weren't true.He told me that television was being used to control and condition Americans. He told me people who we as Americans cherised were frauds:Bob Hope,Dean Martin, Art Linkletter and Paul Harvey.That little sit down was twenty-two years ago and each day I see an escalation in the agenda's pace, probably due to Neocon dominance in Washington coupled with a techno surge as well. Try to wrap your mind around the fact that every ounce of history and news about politics, assassinasions, war you have digested as fact is probably skewed.Unsettling isn't it?.......Digest it though, it's factual.

Originally posted by imAMERICAN even if there was, it would be impossible to enforce, the civilized world is too big, it would take BILLIONS OF TROOPS to occupy the world...who would finance this? who would supply the men, and why would the world crumble to a few dozen people...

its a big LIE

Ever heard of the marketing technique that is called ''branding''? Exactly. It's a big lie. But this big lie influences you on a daily basis wether you like to admit it or not.

Look around you. People are concerned about plastic surgery, facelifts and shiny white teeth, people are concerned about who has the biggest car of the neighbourhood, about who is the most ''succesful'' with making a career..

Moral values? Religion? Those words are being mocked and laughed at in our ''civilized and modern'' society. You only need money and a succesful career, that's what they emphasize in the media.. Who needs respect? Who needs friendship? Who needs integrity, personality?

Sex sells, Violence sells, Disrespect sells and hate sells.

They don't need an army, all they need is the media to create a society where people only live to consume and be as much as egocentric as possible.

Take internet for example, what does the internet do? It basically seperates people from eachother in real life and even causes some people to become addicted and lonely. (I myself try to be offline as much as possible because I don't want that.) Now, what do people do when they get lonely and feel bad about themselves? They go buy even more stuff to feel a bit better about themselves. (Look at the media damn it! They only show you perfect images of perfect people living perfect lives.) Ofcourse they don't want to show you reality, reality doesn't sell and doesn't make people feel bad about themselves.

If you fail to see my point there, you can take the ''war on terrorism'' as an example.. It seems they invented this slogan to force the biometric passport upon you.

Do you honestly think a terrorist will stop with blowing up buildings because he has a biometric passport? Do you honestly think that bombing ''the ashes of evil'' won't provoke even more acts of terrorism?

See,

With every step that has been taken it leads us to a ''western and civilized society'' (worldwide.) were we can all live in ''freedom'' as long as we buy and consume and be good customers. Because if we don't work 24/7 to pay for all the stuff we seem to live for, we're probably expendable and will get kicked out of our houses. And yes, we will have to pay for our groceries with a fingerprint scan in the near future.

You don't have a job? Then you won't need a biometric passport anymore, no pass, no scan, no credit, no nothing. Earn money? How? There is no money.. only digital money..

Sounds familiar doesn't it? Political slavery my friend. That's the NWO.

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Originally posted by imAMERICAN

your all being paranoid, there is NO NWO, none!

its a figment of your imagination

there is no secret society rigging elections

there is no one plotting, well maybe terrorists but no nwo

even if there was, it would be impossible to enforce, the civilized world is too big, it would take BILLIONS OF TROOPS to occupy the world...who would finance this? who would supply the men, and why would the world crumble to a few dozen people...

its a big LIE

and your all falling for it

i dont mean to be mean, but open your eyes, its ridiculus, bloodlines, secret societies.... rubbish, its all rubbish...

who ever started this idea was either paranoid or stupid... wake up sheeple

WAKE UP!

I watched George Bush Senior State that very topic on national TV, and of course we all know all ex-presidents talk about fictional material in a non-fictional way. They have no concern for thier credibility ( sarcastically speaking). No one would make the statement you did unless you are the NWO's physch ops attempting to discredit the facts. Watch star wars look how the emporer took over, maybe something's to be said for what was observed on revenge of the Sith. People in the right places, the right time and execute order 66, strange choice of numbers for even a movie. The NWO will have you get thier mark of thier master or lop off your head. I hope you choose head lopping because I know I'll see you in Heaven then, and I will depart from Earth right before the NWO. If you get thier mark you are headed to the lake of fire.