there is NO nwo, i repeat NO nwo

Without reading this thread, sorry it's already to long to go through for the original statement of the thread, I'd like to say it's HOW you define "NWO".
It may or may not be true that there is an actual "NWO" group of some sort, but either way it would just be foolish to think that there are not groups in the world that are very rich and very polictically connected to say that they are not calling the shots in a lot of the things going on in the world. That is just common sense with no "conspircy" needed.

So menguard what is shadow govt's mission?If we are to ascend to the 4th density in the year 2012 would the illuminati do something about it?Are the good aliens going to do something?
ps:you didn't replied to my ancients posts

This is an easy question to keep you locked in 3rd dimension.They have failed on that part , but are desperately trying to reinforce this scheme.We are becoming more of light with the passing years.Our global consciousness determines earths state of being.My question to all is can you not feel the "buzz "around the planet.People are becoming illuminated/enlightened.When this happens we can manifest things into our physical world with our vibrations being projected out for the right people to intercept and reproduce.If everybody in the world gave unbending intent to ascend we would all ready be our higher selves.Meaning we would be on the right vibration to interact with other states of being.Everybody on Ats should start to intend to moving into a higher state of being or aligning with a higher vibration/frequency. Warthog, lI will go back to The Ancients thread and write.

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Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Why is it the rich and powerful get more rich and more powerful

They work hard...no wait, by everyone else's assumption they are lazy and manipulative and have been this way for 2000 years and we are only now begining to understand. Yeah, makes no sense buddy.

Who has thrown this dirt into your eyes Frosty?

There are systems in place today that rule over billions of people at a time, how hard is it to accept that at the top of these systems there are people that use it to their advantage?

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Why is it the rich and powerful get more rich and more powerful,

You think it requires a conspiracy for that? Or the NWO in particular?

mkultra
I suppose you are calling President George H.W. Bush paranoid or stupid?

Bush used the words 'new world order'. He didn't say 'a conspiracy to install a socialistic one world government and replace all religions with a one world religion'.

bpletcj
I bet in ancient times people thought Alexander the Great was head of the NWO one world government.

Probably at that eh? Heck, the spanish were whipped into thinking that Napolean was the antichrist by their institutions.

Why world hunger when there are rich people who could feed the world and it wouldn't even make a dent in their bank accounts???

Why the hell should they have to do that?

Fairly new here, and will probably get myself kicked out for this, but I actually want to respond both to ImAmerican and Ndgyun, or whatever.
First, it always amazes me when people come to sites like this and proceed to berate and belittle the people who's ideas, thoughts, suspicions, etc.
are the reason the site exists in the first place. As for the moderator, and I can't believe this came from one, and that no one else has jumped all over it yet, I can't even begin to list the things that are wrong with the statement "why the hell should they have to do that". That, in essence, is what is wrong with the majority of our world. That type of indifference absolutely makes my skin crawl.

If there is no New World Order, then who are these Guys?

wikipedia/skull and bones

Skull and Bones members

The Skull and Bones published membership lists until 1971, which were kept at the Yale Library. The following list of Bonesmen (as members are often called) is compiled from those lists.


William Howard Taft (1878), 27th President of the United States, Chief Justice of the United States
Gifford Pinchot (1889), first Chief of U.S. Forest Service, under President Theodore Roosevelt
Pierre Jay (1892), first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York
Harry Payne Whitney (1894), husband of Gertrude Vanderbilt, investment banker
Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser (1896)
Thomas Cochran (1904), Morgan partner
Harold Stanley (1908), founder of Morgan Stanley, investment banker
Hugh Wilson (1909)
Robert D. French (1910)
Alfred Cowles (1913), Cowles Communication
John Thomas Daniels (1914), founder of Archer Daniels Midland
Archibald MacLeish (1915)
F. Trubee Davison (1918) Director of Personnel at the CIA
Artemus Gates (1918), President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific, TIME, Boeing Company
Henry Luce (1920), Time-Life
Henry P. Davison (1920), senior partner, Morgan Guaranty Trust
Russell W. Davenport (1923), editor Fortune Magazine, created Fortune 500 list
George Herbert Walker, Jr. (1927), financier and co-founder of the NY Mets
John Heinz II (1931), father of Senator John Heinz
Amory Howe Bradford (1934), general manager for the New York Times
Senator Jonathan Bingham (1936)
Potter Stewart (1936), Supreme Court Justice
Dean Witter, Jr. (1944), investment banker
James Buckley (1944)
Senator John Chafee (1947)
George Herbert Walker Bush (1948), 41st President of the United States
William F. Buckley, Jr. (1950)
Dino Pionzio (1950), CIA Deputy Chief of Station during Allende overthrow
William Henry Draper III (1950), the Defense Department, UN and Import-Export Bank
Evan G. Galbraith (1950), Ambassador to France and Managing Director of Morgan Stanley
Robert Gow (1955), president of Zapata Oil
Charles Edwin Lord (1949), Comptroller of the Currency
Winston Lord (1959), Chairman of Council on Foreign Relations, Ambassador to China and assistant Secretary of State in the Clinton administration
Senator David Boren (1963)
Senator John Kerry (1966)
George W. Bush (1968), 43rd President of the United States

If a New World Order is an outrageous conspiracy theory, then how do you explain this quote?

"Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people... outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side.... All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure.... This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus." - Senator William Jenner - 1954

This one?

"The crisis in the Persian Gulf offers a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period of cooperation. Out of these troubled times... a new world order can emerge in which the nations of the world, east and west, north and south, can prosper and live in harmony.... Today the new world is struggling to be born." - George Herbert Walker bush, September 11, 1990

What a nice, rosy, picture you paint, Mr.Bush, shame we know otherwise.



Love to Barbara.



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Originally posted by Frosty

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning
Why is it the rich and powerful get more rich and more powerful

They work hard...no wait, by everyone else's assumption they are lazy and manipulative and have been this way for 2000 years and we are only now begining to understand. Yeah, makes no sense buddy.

Man, you don't know anything about rich people. Most middle class folks think that they are rich and thats just the way the rich have planned it. The super rich in this country haven't worked hard. That money has been around since the early 1800s. Made on the back of black slaves.

New World Order. US was often reffered to as the New World. Fall of Soviet Union had just happened and despot dictator was stopped from overruning a Persian Gulf country. So, Bush thought this was the begining of a new order of rule, one in which dictators like Saddam would not be tolerated, hence the term NWO. Nothing at all to do with any secret societies but instead a refference to the Sovietless world. America (NEw World) was now fo sho the greatest power, hence NWO. Not a secret society.

Originally posted by AlwaysLearning

Suggest you take your own advice buddy....open your eyes and your mind. Why is it the rich and powerful get more rich and more powerful, while you and I work our as*es off to pay taxes and be like a hamster on the wheel? And it doesn't matter where you live.

lol, Why it is that the rich and powerful get more rich and more powerful? Because they use their brain and have skills. What kind of world you want to live in? One day you think of a incredible invention that will make you millions.... you want to make it so you CAN ONLY MAKE 10 dollars on it? Because you don't want to keep getting richer and richer by having people pay money for it.

Start your own business, etc and not "work like a hamster on the wheel". I actually get the feeling from your post that you are just jealous you are not as successful as others.

Now you are searching for people to blame it on.. oh, its the rich! Damn them, huh? Sad.

Originally posted by MERC
If there is no New World Order, then who are these Guys?

Members of a college fraternity at Yale.

If a New World Order is an outrageous conspiracy theory, then how do you explain this quote?

That is a quote by one person, a senator, who is obviously unhappy at the way the government works and is trying to use sensationalism to get attention. You cannot take ONE PERSON'S quote, opinion, as FACT just because it suits your own agenda.

What a nice, rosy, picture you paint, Mr.Bush, shame we know otherwise.

Uuuuh, Bush was talking about a new era of cooperation between foreign governments. An era in which foreign governments communicate and work together for mutual benefit. It has NOTHING to do with secret societies or a "New World Order" as YOU know it. He could've said ANYTHING, he chose the words "new world order" because they fit well. Step outside of your "everything's a conspiracy" mentality for just one second and try to see the obvious reasons for things. They're not as nefarious or sinister as you would like to believe.

Originally posted by staver
As for the moderator, and I can't believe this came from one, and that no one else has jumped all over it yet, I can't even begin to list the things that are wrong with the statement "why the hell should they have to do that". That, in essence, is what is wrong with the majority of our world. That type of indifference absolutely makes my skin crawl.

What's wrong with this? They earned their money, why should they have to give it away. It would be NICE if they were more charitable, but they shouldn't HAVE to be. Are you a communist? Socialist? THAT type of indifference for someone's own property, just because they have a lot of it, makes MY skin crawl.

Yeah, Carnegie, Walton, Buffet, Jay-Z, and Gates all inherited their wealth and are nothing more than manipulative ingnorants to how hard the rest of the world works to be their slaves.

That fact is, anybody can take advantage of America's economic structure and make a small fortune for themselves. Show me how I am a slave or that I can't rise above my overlord's and achieve true freedom. You can't because you are paranoid and caught in a web of deception created by con men.

Arent mods going to react?

imAMerican, obviously you know nothing about NWO. So dont make pathetic comments.

For your information, NWO will be just another step on human evolution. Actually, its almost impossible to avoid it.

And if you think just a bit, you will realize that everything leads to a Solo World Order.

It started with small tribes. Then small kingdoms. NOwadays we have lots of countrys, but also organizations for cooperation between all nations.

NWO will come. The humanity will be under a solo government.

We dont know if that NWO already exists. If it does, ofcourse it cant be revealed. But this is just suposition.

But you cant deny the fact we will end up by uniting, giving away our divergences, and get conected by a solo ideology based on humanism and abientalism.

Capitalism will probably enter a decline. Cooperatives and other kind of organization will start to appear in mass. With the cease of capitalism, all his components fall with it. Im talking about materialism and consumism. In that way a sustentable development is possible.

Who am I to say there is NWO, who are you to say there is none?

Originally posted by NinterXCapitalism will probably enter a decline.

People have been saying that since Adam Smith. I bet all the reds, commys, socies, and the like would love for that to happen. But simple fact is that belief is pure fantasy. There is no magical socialist fairy that has the ability to tap the heads of world economies and turn them to such futile ideaologies.

Besides, where is the proof that there is an NWO which operates under all, or most, world governments? This has been long overdue.

Tell me, if there is no NWO then why is the US a corporation owned by English Bankers? Why were most of these bankers linked to Nazis in the 1930s? Why is it your country is based on poverty and debt as a means to operate? Why is it that the whole legal system of this new age is Commercial Merchant Law, Laws that cannot effect a real human beings? Why is it that "Gov'ts" (they are not governments, they are serpents playing games with your mind) need to create persons of pure fiction for you to be able to represent. Why is it that now your property can be taken away from you with the stroke of a pen (thank the Supreme Court for that one)? Why is it that you have been taught to forget your own family histories? Why is it that you are being taught naming God as your creator is such an evil thing? Do you not know that if God is not your creator then NOTHING has vested interest in you, YOU CAN BECOME PROPERTY OF WHATEVER STRONGMAN THAT CLAIMS YOU. Why is it that every single time an important change in the system is taking place the media only focuses on sensationalized stories hand picked to keep your attention?

Seek and you shall find. Truth is waiting for you to find it, DENY IGNORANCE!

Originally posted by Aim
Tell me, if there is no NWO then why is the US a corporation owned by English Bankers? Why were most of these bankers linked to Nazis in the 1930s?

Uuhhh, last time I checked, the U.S.A. was an independent sovereign government that won its independence by kicking the British's "bum". The US is neither a corporation, nor is it owned by anyone. Can you show us evidence to prove otherwise?

Why is it your country is based on poverty and debt as a means to operate?

Because the Gold Standard is antiquated and unstable. If the US is based on poverty and debt, well, we sure are doing pretty well for ourselves.

Why is it that "Gov'ts" (they are not governments, they are serpents playing games with your mind) need to create persons of pure fiction for you to be able to represent.

Sigh, I think it's obvious what your agenda is and how you really feel about what you preach. How do you expect us to consider the rantings of an obviously biased post?

Why is it that now your property can be taken away from you with the stroke of a pen (thank the Supreme Court for that one)?

Looks like you have fallen victim to the very sensationalism in the media you complained about. Our property cannot be taken from us. If it has been decided, by a vote, that it would benefit your local economy, you can be forced to sell your home for full market value. This only applies to real estate property, and it cannot be TAKEN from anyone.

Do some real research before posting whiny rantings and trying to represent them as fact.

Why is it that you are being taught naming God as your creator is such an evil thing? Do you not know that if God is not your creator then NOTHING has vested interest in you, YOU CAN BECOME PROPERTY OF WHATEVER STRONGMAN THAT CLAIMS YOU.

Uuuuh, where do you get that from? Sounds a little silly, dontcha think? Here in America, we separate religion from government. We can name anyone as our creator, but we must keep all religion out of public institutions. Things work much better that way.

Seek and you shall find. Truth is waiting for you to find it, DENY IGNORANCE!

I think you need to take your own advice, bud.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
The US is neither a corporation, nor is it owned by anyone. Can you show us evidence to prove otherwise?

Check some details on how the Federal Reserve Bank operates. It's not an agency under Congress, as the Constitution demands; It doesn't Reserve anything; The only truth in its name is Bank. It's a bank owned & operated entirely by a consortium of privately-owned, international banking firms (mostly Erupoean, many of those banks originate in England).

It operates on a debt-driven economic system by authorizing the minting of corporate scrip (That's why they can't legally put the "$" symbol on it's currency) only enough to cover loans issued by the bank. However, they never issue the authority to print enough scrip to cover the ursary charged on each loan. Therefore, somebody, somewhere is never going to be able to pay the ursary charge because the script isn't even in circulation to be earned.

Then, when somebody can't pay the ursary, they sieze real assets that have real value & auction it off to put more scrip back into circulation in the form of more loans. What scrip does come back to them through some people who successfully make the current payment due, they keep 10% of that scrip & issue 90% back out as more loans.

Debt-driven economic system based upon corporate scrip became the US economy on the day that the Federal Reserve Act was signed. Since that day, the US government had sold out the entire nation & it's economy to a bank. So the US is corporate owned...By a foreign-originated corporation, no less.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Because the Gold Standard is antiquated and unstable. If the US is based on poverty and debt, well, we sure are doing pretty well for ourselves.

Do you see anything other than the standard government-issued "party line"? Look around & you can see that more people than ever are unemployed because major corporations are going down in scandal...Or even merely massively "downsizing" & putting people out of work. No jobs, no income...No income, more loans defalting...More loans defalting, the bank gets richer as they seize more real property. Yeah, the US is doing real good with this system.
And let me tell you a little more about what happened with the Gold Standard: The wealthy investors who already had gold stockkpiled in their local banks "convinced" the government to make gold illegal to use as a legal tender. Most private citizens who may have had some gold were then forced to sell the gold to the government, because they didn't have a means to ship their gold into overseas banks...Like the wealthy investors did. When the deadline for selling the gold came, the investors "got around" that new law by not having any gold stored within the US itself. As you might know about the "supply & demand" truth about how economics works, the supply of gold in the US went down, therfore increasing the value of gold that suddenly came into the government's hands. Then the wealthy investors waited for the value of gold to go up, then sold their gold to the government at an instant 75% profit.
That's what happened to the "antiquidated gold standard" you describe. It wasn't "antiquidated"...It was liquidated.

Originally posted by sebatwerk
Our property cannot be taken from us.

Yes it can because it's not our property anymore. Anytime you purchase the deed to some land, that deed describes you as the "tenant", not the owner. If the land was truly yours, then you wouldn't have to owe "property taxes" to anybody. Because that deed describes you as tenant, that legally implies that someone else actually owns the land. Since your "property taxes" go to the government, guess who actually owns it?
Check the real estate laws concerning "aluvial land" if you want to see it for yourself.

All of this is documented fact, so is there anything else you need clarified?