US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases

a reply to: Zaphod58

Well that's assuming Russian production numbers are accurate as reported. Granted, that is also the downside of their SXXX systems, they do have to be produced en masse.

Lets hope for everyone's sake nothing happens.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I got ya mate.

Don't forget that US has a history of spending stupid money through DARPA to achieve solutions to problems much easier solved. They might go with the lowest bidder sometimes but at the same time they bloody well spend when they want to!

A great example was anti-RPG vehicle armour for jeeps out in Iraq. DARPA was paid some silly money (I believe) to produce a super elaborate sensor system that detected the RPG and deployed a counter measure in time. It actually worked, which is impressive in its own right, but it was honestly just big boys playing with big toys.

The British solution for that problem was a specifically spaced and offset mesh guard around the vehicle lol. It did the same job to the same repeatability, with different risks (e.g a subsequent RPG could just hit a temporarily 'stuck' on one) but this could be designed for (and handled in terms of procedure) such that it is practically negligible. Especially because a good military practice is to design systems first and foremost that don't depend on electonics. I believe the Russians utilise this to great effect.

You also saved extreme weight and hence fuel, as well as sacrificing less combat ability. Sometimes I think companies forget engineering is about making the complex into something simple, rather than the simple into something complex lol

a reply to: Advantage

Yeah, testosterone makes the world go round... and wobble... lurch sometimes... occasionally just spin out into chaos... lol. But it's fun.

I wonder if Art of the Deal is translated into Russian....

I think it's about to be....

TheRedneck

a reply to: Vector99

I doubt even Russia is going to build extra systems just to have laying around, just in case.

a reply to: DazDaKing

I remember that. It always amazes me that people think the most high tech solution is the right one. The funny thing is that they eventually went with the mesh system. I see armored vehicles being transported with them all the time.

Do you think this attack in Sweden is part of the chaos?
Do you think that the terrorist will use the strikes on Syria as an excuse to strike back in the areas where they live?

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Edited to avoid thread drift as it was not my intention.

a reply to: Zaphod58

It's Russia. Missiles, rocket engines, and air defense is their thing, With Putin leading I wouldn't doubt them having extras. They will sell, and most of Soviet Russia is for sale.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Long drive from Sweden to Syria

That thread is here

a reply to: Vector99

And it still costs them money to build them.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Infrastructure building.
Good for the economy.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yea, not the kind of money it costs us though.

Makes me think of the famous fake analogy, US spent a million dollars on a pen that would write in zero gravity, Russians used a pencil.

a reply to: Phage

So bomb more?

a reply to: Vector99

It costs $400M, list price, for 8 launchers and 112 missiles. Do you really think they're building them on the cheap and marking them up that much, and no one cares?

You can only build so much on the cheap, no matter who you are. The S400 is one of the most advanced anti aircraft systems built. That's going to cost. Maybe not as much as in the West, but not on the cheap either.

In the meantime...

Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has ordered the military to seize and occupy a group of uninhabited islands in the South China Sea, a move sure to inflame a long-running territorial dispute with China.

not sure if Trump has made any deals with the Chinese but looks like it's getting really ugly.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Russia's economy is faltering like everyone else's. The difference between them and us is we have credit cards called oil interests. They want credit cards to, so they took the opportunity with Iran and Syria to get them through the pipeline.

Really, all they want is a shot at prosperity. The US has left them to fend for themselves after the collapse of communism, and now our actions threaten their pipeline. They're backed into a corner and trying to find a way out.

Putin is old-school KGB, and he immediately thinks in terms of military power to achieve his goals. He is hindered financially, but he also sees military expenditures as investments in prosperity. Trump can use that now. He just seriously threatened Russia's interests indirectly, shown his willingness to go into combat, and now all he has to do is provide a path to prosperity to get actual peace with Russia. He'll just have to overcome a lot of mistrust. Maybe...?

TheRedneck

Let's face it, we all want war between America and Russia, especially the Americans, they are so gung ho for it, Putin should give them it. Putin should sink the American fleet in the Med, and then threaten American cities and ordinary American people. because it is time the ordinary American people experienced war on their lawns, so they come to understand what it feels like to cower from ordinance from 30,000 feet, only that it will be Russian.

The American people should no longer be able to feel immune to war on their home mainland, it should rain down on their heads and utterly annihilate their ignorance.

Trump has shown himself to be a 'reactive' rather than an intelligent president. not that you have had an intelligent president for decades now. You've just had puppets, and Trump is going to be one of the easiest puppets to control. No. The American people should not be allowed to go about their daily lives with impunity, they have to pay for the government they delivered, and the policies they enact. The buck does not stop with the president, it stops with the American people, for it is they who delivered the mass murderers to office.

Syria is not a moral war, there's no 'high ground' anyone can take. I really hope Putin gives an appropriate response.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Thanks mate!

You're right that commercial GPS can be inaccurate but of what magnitude is military GPS better?

Let's just say we use logic; GPS is dependent on satellites primarily, and we can also deduce that accuracy can be improved by increasing the amount of satellites processing information. This would hold even more true if we could also account for atmospheric variations from the respective locations.

Or in other words, the more measurements I make, the more sure I am of what my location is, right?

The US owns a #load of these satellites, since they own the entire GPS system (which is genius btw, well played). I think it's safe to assume that the commercial use of their satellites is limited to only a fraction of their entire fleet.

The fact is that most people's SAT NAVs are accurate 99% of the time to within a few metres, and this is simply the commercial accuracy of this system. The problems with driverless cars also lie in having an effective 'cloud' network, as well as sensors and data/motion translation occurring on a commercial vehicle that is more partial to atmospheric effects and conditions as well as cost limitation, than one of military integrity.

We can assume the missiles have more sophisticated 'cloud GPS' and also autonomous inertial adjustment systems, simply based on the idea that the military have been exploring and developing this technology much sooner than any other industry.

It does make you think eh?

So, you think they made the smoothing function more liberal as to make more missiles get to their overall general area, but at the same time less likely to hit the very local target (say 3m diameter) that they were intended for? Or have I completely misunderstood lol?

Napoleon had his Waterloo


it looks like ShayRat Airbase may become the downfall of Trump...


history might well report that the sneak attack at Shayrat, which housed Russian Special Forces and helicopters, along with being the storage facility where supposed 'Syrian' Sarin Chemical weapons were stored... was the event which evolved into the WW!!! scenario promised by both Russia and China which vowed total Support for Assad, the democratically elected leader of Syria

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vector99

It costs $400M, list price, for 8 launchers and 112 missiles. Do you really think they're building them on the cheap and marking them up that much, and no one cares?

When you are the one that developed the tech? Yeah, I could see Russia producing them for probably $50-60M tops. Main cost would be the missiles themselves.

S300's that is.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
My opinion right now?

Trump is making a mistake.

But what do I know.

It means they got to him.

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