US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases

a reply to: DazDaKing

Good analysis.

GPS isn't as accurate as people think. There are glitches that can be caused by things as minor as weather conditions, air temperature, or even nearby metallic objects reflecting the signals. Overall, GPS is very good at correcting glitches in commercial applications, because a smoothing function is used.

The accuracy of GPS has actually been one of the major problems with self-driving cars. The theoretical positioning can get within inches, but there are a lot of imperfect conditions that multiply this. And of course, no one wants to be in a car that suddenly changes lanes because of a lighting strike 50 miles away.

I am convinced someone tried to overdo accuracy at the expense of reliability by changing the smoothing function.

TheRedneck

Russia terminates hotline with America.

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originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vector99
They had to react, and that was about their only option. It'll make things riskier, but neither side wants a war.

I just see an American jet being shot down by Syria with an S-300 or S-400 soon if we continue sorties. Won't be the Russians, but definitely Russian tech.

OR we get the hell outta there, which we have way too much invested into right now.

I do indeed see America being challenged on the warfront soon because of this if we persist. Our jets are not invincible.

Why are you so damn determined to get our soldiers shot down? Are you that excited over it? Damn get over yourself. The Russians are not going to shoot down American planes!!!

Whoa whoa, when did I ever say that?

Calm down skippy, I'm being a realist here. I don't want to see ANYONE shot down ANYWHERE.

I'm simply posing the realistic and likely outcomes of our actions.

Just gonna leave this here
USA looking for Russian involvement in Chemical Attack

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Russia terminates hotline with America.

twitter.com...

What?...They don't want to talk to their puppet, Trump, anymore?

Hopefully CNN can explain this odd behavior for us.

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Russia terminates hotline with America.

twitter.com...

After armageddon when Im Empress, the first thing Im doing is getting rid of that damned Twitter. Way too much BS and disinfo is taken as real info on that damned thing. New fangled crappola thingies muddying the water...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Possible, I suppose. Maybe someone needs to be inspecting these things periodically?

And that goes beyond the generic ability to break things the military has.

OK, you got me there.

Does boot camp have special training with steel balls and rubber hammers?

TheRedneck

Trump crossed the red line.
It is however Putin's fault too because it was predictable and
Assad shouldn't have been using his air force in densely populated areas
and in cases of suspected ammo depots. If at all.
If he relied on Russian air support only, no one would try to throw cheap BS like this on Russians.

Let's send in UN troops tomorrow to secure that area for immediate international investigation. All sides should be happy to cease fire to allow it. Why not?

originally posted by: allsee4eye
Russia terminates hotline with America.

twitter.com...

Oh cmon just like a mad kid in the sandbox. While I wouldn't want to see big boys toys this is still the same old mad kid name calling game.

a reply to: TheRedneck

They need to do a PDM system on the missiles after they sit for a certain amount of time. They sit for years, and then they act almost surprise when something fails when they're launched.

That is in tech school.

originally posted by: PapagiorgioCZ
Trump crossed the red line.
It is however Putin's fault too because it was predictable and
Assad shouldn't have been using his air force in densely populated areas
and in cases of suspected ammo depots. If at all.
If he relied on Russian air support only, no one would try to throw cheap BS like this on Russians.

Let's send in UN troops tomorrow to secure that area for immediate international investigation. All sides should be happy to cease fire to allow it. Why not?

The UN are the good guys?? To hell with the UN!! Those blue helmets should have a target on them.

ETA... got my helmet colors confused.

As was predicted last night by several on this thread, because it's logical (although sad):

Raytheon, the company that makes the Tomahawk missiles used in the air strikes on Syria by the United States, is rising in early stock trading Friday.

In fact, all the military industrial companies are suddenly in the black.

money.cnn.com...

a reply to: Zaphod58

Corrosion as a failure mode is extremely unlikely, although of course possible. External missile corrosion is easy to spot so can instantly be ruled out without assuming human incompetence.

Internal missile corrosion is designed for in many different ways, which once again leaves you with very small probabilities of occurrence. You have things like nitrogen pressurisation systems, internal seals and intelligent gap design to minimise the chance greatly.

Remember there's a science to this, so yes 1 in however many missiles will eventually (prematurely) fail due to corrosion but the probability of that is easily controlled through clever engineering. I couldn't imagine anything more than a 1% failure contribution (even that is extremely generous lol). You would calculate the shelf life of that missile and that is with inbuilt safety factors.

Though it is possible that the US pissed it's money down the drain and these missiles aren't actually all that well designed? Maybe it's too costly for a redesign so the higher failure rates are just accepted as collateral?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vector99

No one said they were going to start shooting Allied aircraft down. Our forces operated just fine with Russian forces before the hotline was set up and we will again.

It's more than that my friend.

The hotline is shut down, and the memorandum promising communication and no attacks on each other in Syrian airspace is now null. As of now only the Russians are actually invited into Syrian airspace. US will now be considered unwelcome it seems.

Like I said, I don't see Russia directly engaging us, but I imagine several S-400 units will now be given to the Syrian army in response.

a reply to: mOjOm

The news reported late last night that an "Admiral" was on and off the phone all day yesterday with the Russians.
Finally they decided "they either move out of the way, or they don't"

originally posted by: DazDaKing
a reply to: Zaphod58


Though it is possible that the US pissed it's money down the drain and these missiles aren't actually all that well designed? Maybe it's too costly for a redesign so the higher failure rates are just accepted as collateral?

Id heard they were "old stock" and the ones used had ceased in active production. Thats rumor as far as I know..

a reply to: TheRedneck

The gps on my phone and my tomtom are not always right, i think you are on to something. Sometimes my gps can be 1000 feet off easily
when hitting a precise target 1000 ft. or even 500ft will be a direct miss

a reply to: Vector99

On the other hand, maybe Russia has been waiting and planning for a long time for a reason to attack.

Just a thought,,, Since the start of the first Gulf War, with a determined and allocated amount of $ to wage war in the Middle East from then till now, say the 7 nation plan is still a go and the only reason who got chosen to be President between Trump and Clinton being chosen is by who can be the best suited for allocating funds for the war we all know is coming and will continue. We're not as financially inclined as we were back in the beginning. Just my thoughts.

a reply to: DazDaKing

I don't think corrosion is likely, I only raised it as a possibility. Remember that the military goes with the lowest bidder. They buy more than they think they will need, and target multiple weapons on a target to account for failures.