US launches Tomahawks on Syrian airbases

Well the response of Russia to US attack on Syria air force base is to send destroyers to the region, where US have the naval ships.

So what will happen when we got Russia and US confronting each other with war ships?

a reply to: DazDaKing

Tomahawks do not depend upon GPS. They use an inertial navigation system with optical or radar terrain mapping positioning.
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Right, the problem is that beyond missiles and missile systems, Russian production, to put it nicely, sucks. After the collapse of communism, a lot of their engineers and production people left for greener pastures. That kind of came to a head with the initial procurement of the Su-34, which again, to be polite, was an utter debacle.

The T-50, their first attempt at a stealth fighter is having its issues too, mostly with the engines. Where they're really taking a hit is the Indian FGFA program based on the T-50. India isn't pleased with performance or tech transfer.

Russia makes good equipment, and great missiles. If they ever get their production and engineering issues resolved, they can break into other areas too. The Sukhoi family is great, when they're built right, and are perfect for countries that don't have a lot of money, or access to western equipment. But in a straight up procurement battle, the countries that do have access to the west, will go about 60/40 right now, leaning towards the West.

a reply to: marg6043

It's a standard patrol. Russia has a port in Syria and rotates ships through.

a reply to: marg6043

Don't worry.

If the US and Russia get into a war, I will personally make a strongly worded thread.

originally posted by: BlueAjah
a reply to: AnkhMorpork

I think that people are spinning things. The situation in Syria is complicated. But people are jumping through hoops to make this fit some kind of thing that it is not.

There was proof that Assad was responsible for the chemical attack. The entire world was saying that, not just the US.

What's that proof or evidence?

a reply to: Zaphod58

Sounds like provocation, regardless, don't you think, Russia is not happy with the attack and right now in the UN they are voicing their anger.

a reply to: Vector99

Yeah, ok. Sure. And you think the customers are going to put up with a huge markup like that and not complain.

Funny how they can build things so cheap, and yet the cost for the Russian version of the T-50 stealth aircraft is so high that they're reducing their initial buy, and slowing procurement of them way down.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Ha, ha, I think we may be talking about the war drums for weeks to come, is going to be a refresh from the Trump Russia crap going on for months.

a reply to: marg6043

These movements are scheduled months before they actually happen. This was probably on the plans two months ago. There's no way a ship from the Black Sea Fleet could have sailed last night, and already be close to Syria.

originally posted by: DazDaKing
a reply to: Zaphod58

A great example was anti-RPG vehicle armour for jeeps out in Iraq. DARPA was paid some silly money (I believe) to produce a super elaborate sensor system that detected the RPG and deployed a counter measure in time. It actually worked, which is impressive in its own right, but it was honestly just big boys playing with big toys.

I got to see a demonstration of those jokers. I wasn't expecting anything fantastic, but they did what they were designed to do. pretty cool!

a reply to: Zaphod58

What? Sure it can. Missiles fly, orders given, passing through the Bosphorus, there. Roughly 70 hrs max.

If you need to command your fleet a month in advance...wow you have problems in a conflict.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I hope not, but let see what happen when the Russia destroyers get close to the US naval.

Hopefully nothing and will be business as usual.

I am still trying to shake up the developments of the attack since last night.

BTW one of the missiles got a malfunction, I wonder if the US will ask for a refund on that one to the manufacturer.

a reply to: Peeple

The missile attack was less than 24 hours ago, and it's already close to Syria according to the reports. So if it would take "roughly 70 hours max " how did it sail maybe 12 hours ago and already get close to Syria?

I'm not talking about a wartime footing obviously. In talking about normal patrols and movements.

a reply to: Zaphod58

They should stay away from the aircraft development area, it's not their field.

Missiles are.

It's like when the new playstation or xbox comes out, EXTREMELY high price for extremely high quality, except in Russia's market, there isn't a competitor to drive down the prices over time.

The S300 is still top of the line. S400? You cannot buy it unless you are Turkey, and even for them it's meh...maybe. I think India may have a back-door and have some, but that's speculation too.

Russian missile systems are second to none, you know this Zaph, and that is why they can price the system at a price they choose.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'm pretty sure for Russia it looks like wartime. And you just need to pass the bosphorus it's not that far. Max 70 hrs, doesn't mean it can't be a lot quicker.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
There's no way a ship from the Black Sea Fleet could have sailed last night, and already be close to Syria.

Well ... it could have been where it was ... and received new orders.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Vector99

Once again, Russia doesn't want a shooting war. The US doesn't want a war with Russia. Why is that part so hard to understand? Russia isn't going to start shooting down American aircraft.

What they want and what ends up transpiring are often at odds.

Besides, how would you know any better than anyone else what Russia will and wont do? You cant make that claim any better than anyone else.

As always, go by what they do, rather than what they say:

On Friday, Fox Business reported that a Russian warship has entered the eastern Mediterranean, heading towards the direction of the two U.S. Navy destroyers that were used for launching the missiles on Syria Thursday night. The Russian Frigate has left the Black Sea, gone through the Bosphorus strait and is traveling to the position of the USS Ross and the USS Porter. A U.S. Defense official told Fox News that the Russian frigate, Admiral Grigorovich RFS-494, crossed through the strait “a few hours ago.” This is a breaking story, we will continue to provide updates.

americanmilitarynews.com... aign=alt&utm_source=asmdss

a reply to: Vector99

There are a lot more of them out there than that. They've been exporting them for years.

Yes, they can price them where they want, but they are also going to price them right out of the market at that rate. You have to price them at a rate that your potential customers can afford to buy in any kind of numbers.