Billionaire George Soros fuels Democrats’ push to lower voting age to 17

a reply to: Puppylove

I did agree to the idea of raising the age initially. After reading more of this discussion though, I am wondering what the merits are of that. A very important observation to note was when you said it would take the vote away from people. A LOT of people. That was not something I really thought about with my knee jerk response. The emotions may speak first, but logic eventually catches up thank goodness.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Glad I helped sway you back to sanity.

a reply to: Puppylove

I would hope others can be honest enough to accept the truth of that fact. Seriously though, we should have American moguls out there, trying to buy back AMC theaters and Legendary pictures from the Wanda group, which is the largest private property owner on Earth. Every dollar we sped at AMC or on a movie or television show by Legendary pictures just makes them stronger while we suck down their subtle subliminal propaganda.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

You came in claiming phony crap too, saying that Trump is my messiah when I don't even like the guy. Lol, practice what you preach my friend. I'm not going to hold it against you though because I understand how you could have gotten that from my post, but like I said, there was a misunderstanding that began with me not articulating myself the way I intended.

Sorry if you don't accept my explanation. In fact, I couldn't care any less if you do or not because it seems as though you just like arguing for arguments sake, going as far as ignoring my apologies just to egg it on. Have fun with that.

Have a good night.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

If countries spent the same amount of money effort and resources they spend on warfare and creating weapons, to instead make the world a better place, we would have no need for warfare or weapons. There's a lot of things people should do. Sadly people are by and large, emotional illogical, ego driven creatures, and as such, by and large, we rarely do what we should do.

I suspect contrariness will continue to be the rule of law, even when it's not in the least bit beneficial or helpful in any way. Hollywood is the enemy, therefore instead of trying to create one's own presence there, mostly they will just bitch about it.

originally posted by: Puppylove
The youth are the future period. It is an effort to get votes, but not the way you think. The goal is to cause the right to, in an effort to fight them, alienate the youth of the future thus securing it for themselves.

Wow - you've sold me! In fact going by that amazing logic, how about we just remove the voting age limit altogether? After all, the children are our future!! If you can write your name, that's good enough for me!

If you can't see how letting 17 year old kids vote is a bad idea - kid's who have practically no life-experience and are becoming increasingly easy to influence via social media "peer pressure" (herd mentality) - then it's clearly YOU who completely lacks an eye for the long term benefit of the nation. Unless of course your idea of an "ideal big picture" is complete socialism - in which case - we'll just agree to disagree before I waste any more time.

a reply to: Navieko

You didn't read a thing I've said if you think lowering the voting age to 17 is what I said to do.

a reply to: Puppylove
The OP is all about a push to lower the voting age limit to 17. You're the one trying to turn it around as an effort in getting the limit raised, by way of some kind of "reverse psychology". Let's stick to the likely facts shall we?

1. There is a push by those with influence on the left, to lower the voting limit to 17.

2. The result of this being successful would mean many more winning votes towards the DNC (naive kid's being more prone to emotional influence). Not too different from making it easier for illegal citizens to vote, which is also something we're seeing a push towards.

3. With respect to the betterment of the nations future - it's a crappy idea!

Anything else is just conjecture.

I'm certain I'm not the only one that would be HUGELY regretful now, had I been allowed to vote based on my naive/foolish ideas at age 17. And I certainly don't think today's youth have improved from back then.

originally posted by: Navieko
a reply to: Puppylove
The OP is all about a push to lower the voting age limit to 17. You're the one trying to turn it around as an effort in getting the limit raised, by way of some kind of "reverse psychology". Let's stick to the likely facts shall we?

1. There is a push by those with influence on the left, to lower the voting limit to 17.

2. The result of this being successful would mean many more winning votes towards the DNC (naive kid's being more prone to being emotionally influenced).

3. With respect to the betterment of the nations future - it's a crappy idea!

Anything else is just conjecture.

You can fight it without calling the youth naive and #. 17 is only ONE year away from current voting age. An 18 or 19 year old does not magically disassociate themselves from their 17 year old friends.

The left wants to go after the youth vote by offering a younger voting age. Don't react by saying, we can't do that, "17 year olds are naive retards" react to it by reminding people that 18 is the year we can start serving our country in the military, and that the two rights are linked. 17 year olds certainly don't want to die overseas, so attaching the two is a problem right there. Not only that, but while doing this, also bring up that if 18 is good enough to fight and die for your country it should be good enough to celebrate with a stiff drink responsibly.

Do this and not only do you maintain the current voting age, but might actually turn some kids to your side, and actually make the 17 year old voting age look bad to the 17 year olds once serving and being able to be drafted becomes part of the deal.

But bitching about how stupid 17 years olds, and how every youth is a communist will certainly do nothing to help.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
You know what?

I think 18 is too young anyways.

If anything, the voting age should be raised to 21 in the US and in California especially.

I think that if you're still on your parents ins policy, no vote.

So that's 26, right?

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Raise it to 21 to get most of the college Marxists out of the voter pool.

I say raise it until employed and supporting yourself.

Once you're responsible for yourself and independent, you have quite a different outlook on life.

Zactly!

a reply to: Puppylove
Look - I don't care to tiptoe around the cold hard facts. The majority of 17 year old's are in fact naive to the realities of life. That's not intended to be an offensive statement, it's just a basic reality of life. The younger you are, the less experienced/knowledgeable you are. Most kid's that age don't give a rat's ass about politics to begin with - they're more worried about losing their virginity. I don't think I'd get much argument from them about this issue - apart from those herded together and made to feel some fake outrage by the higher-ups with an agenda.

And yeah, while I don't think there is much of a difference these days when it comes to 18-19 year old's, I'm also not going to start campaigning for the voting limit to be raised (though I wouldn't be against it). At the end of the day, a LOT of experience can be gained between 17-18, and while in this day and age it's no guarantee - it's still a hell of a lot better than lowering the limit even more.

And for the record, I've seen a pretty big improvement these last few years in the intelligence and maturity towards politics from many of the up and coming generation. My view of the youth certainly isn't a pessimistic outlook - just a realistic one. They're simply too young and naive to be influencing matters of which they can only know very little about. This isn't an insult to them anymore then calling a boy a boy and a girl a girl.

If any of them get offended by this fact then they are case in point that they are not mature enough to vote.

a reply to: infolurker

Kind of why they draft kids at 18,they can mold them into a soldier,why they don't want old guys,they won't change ,get them before they are capable of thinking for themselves

It's not so much that the voting age needs to be raised, it's that we've allowed our system to dumb down our 18 yr olds to the point where they are no longer adults. It wasn't too long ago that an 18 year old was well into adulthood, more fully prepped to take on the yoke of responsibility. They were stronger with a better sense of intelligence and worldly affairs.

Between the system, the nanny state society and the coddling of the previous generations, the younger generations are less prepared for adulthood at 18 in a general sense.

And of course, Soros wants to capitalize upon that. Anything to destroy the U.S. for his(their) Globalist goals.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Uh, the voting age IS 18.

So you should be able to smoke and drink as well.

If I remember right, you are a vet as well, we all signed our names, and yes you should be able to drink and smoke. However the Evangelical asshats among us think this is wrong. How many of those evangelical asshats ever signed that line, I am guessing not many.

Actually I've known plenty of those asshats You hate in the military & law enforcement. I would also venture to say that they probably make up a majority of people in those 2 institutions.

a reply to: infolurker

Notice how you can't even get on a plane without showing ID in this country, and every time someone tries to pass voter ID law its always swiftly batted down by the dems.

youtu.be...

That link is to a video, (since I dont know how to embed) from 2015, shows illegal aliens in Southern California lined up at the DMV to receive drivers licenses without having to be U.S. citizens. One man says it's about time since he's been driving without one for 11 years. But voter fraud is just a figment of everyones imaginations......

I'm sure Soros has the best of intentions right?

Until your a self supporting adult, no voting. If you can't hold a job, pay your own rent and insurance, you have no right to make adult decisions for the rest of us..

Living at your parents house, on your parents insurance, with mom still doing your laundry and you want to vote???
Go fu#k yourself.

a reply to: infolurker

because its the young ones that have been indoctrinated and they out number us "old folks". More reason to educate your children yourselves.

Should be a simple
If your not old enough to be trusted to drink A beer, then your not old enough vote.

Who to vote to Run the Country would seem a slightly more challenging decision than - Can I be trusted to have A beer.

a reply to: infolurker

Is funny, that California is always finding a way to lead the nation, sadly nobody cares, beside illegals and foreign immigrants.

Still is hard to get a 17 year old to thing for themselves let along stop playing video games, take a shower and brush their teeth.

I am sure that only if they make it mandatory to vote or be penalized that will make the teens go out and vote.

Is not going to happen.