Billionaire George Soros fuels Democrats’ push to lower voting age to 17

a reply to: TruMcCarthy

No, I didn't mean over all. Sure people grow up. But I was talking more about drinking or I suppose Vices that people have in general.

The things where people tend to be irresponsible the most. Those areas don't often change without either something drastic impacting them or a very dedicated person wanting them to.

We were talking about drinking at 21 so that's what I was thinking of at the time.

Life makes everyone responsible over time simply because it wears you down slowly. But I know lots of people who just won't ever get it or perhaps don't want to.

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Raise it to 21 to get most of the college Marxists out of the voter pool.

I say raise it until employed and supporting yourself.

Once you're responsible for yourself and independent, you have quite a different outlook on life.

So for you, it is ok for 18 YO's to fight and die for their country, but not be allowed to vote?

Where did I say that?

Don't put words in my mouth.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Yes.

Adult enough to go to war in an all volunteer military, old enough to accept responsibility for drinking, smoking, etc...

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: rickymouse
Where do they come from thinking that a seventeen year old is developed enough to be voting. Eighteen is actually too young, they are too influenced by desire to be liked at that age to be able to make a rational decision. Some may, but most people do not get wisdom till they are in their early twenties.

I think that California Democrats know they can control the youth, they want them to be able to vote. There is a problem here with the government there in California, it sounds like they are corrupt.

But you are all for 18 YO's joining the military because they are influenced to be like. Yep going to say it, you have not thought this argument out.

Hey, I don't even agree with the fact that humans should be going to war. If it wasn't for greedy power hungry people we would not need to have armies. If it was not for dishonest people, we would not need police. But we need the armies and police because people do not respect others rights enough so we could do without them.

Let me guess, you have not served in the military. That is the biggest non answer I have seen in a long time. You do realize that humans have been at war since the beginning of recorded history?

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: MysticPearl

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Raise it to 21 to get most of the college Marxists out of the voter pool.

I say raise it until employed and supporting yourself.

Once you're responsible for yourself and independent, you have quite a different outlook on life.

So for you, it is ok for 18 YO's to fight and die for their country, but not be allowed to vote?

Where did I say that?

Don't put words in my mouth.

You made the comment, raise it until they are able to support themselves.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

It seems there has been a misunderstanding. I do not support or like Trump and agree that he is playing both sides against each other.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BubbaJoe

It seems there has been a misunderstanding. I do not support or like Trump and agree that he is playing both sides against each other.

You posted saying that Soros funded this, do you have evidence, or just quoting BS from things you have heard?

a reply to: BubbaJoe

Just because we have always done it does not mean it is right. Also, certain groups of individuals actually created the wars, not everyone was warring until these war mongers attacked them. The winner writes history.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

I don't know if he did or not, I only pointed out that if Soros DID fund this then he is only doing it to further the divide between the two parties, much like Trump does with every other word he speaks

The misunderstanding is my fault.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Yes.

Adult enough to go to war in an all volunteer military, old enough to accept responsibility for drinking, smoking, etc...

I am with ya

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I don't know if he did or not, I only pointed out that if Soros DID fund this then he is only doing it to further the divide between the two parties, much like Trump does with every other word he speaks.

You're right. If he did fund this, it's bait to get the right to call more younger people immature and stupid, and say crazy things like let's raise the voting age cause young people are too stupid to be able to vote.

originally posted by: rickymouse
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Just because we have always done it does not mean it is right. Also, certain groups of individuals actually created the wars, not everyone was warring until these war mongers attacked them. The winner writes history.

Some wars are not created by individuals, but by events. I am a student of history and am well aware that the winner writes the history, but there are things written on the other side that survive as well.

I really wish you would quote me when responding. Makes it much easier.

a reply to: Puppylove

Just like with the media and all these big name politicians, they are throwing bait out every day and the fish are lured right into the net. They don't care if you trust them as long as you take their bait and people seem to be addicted to it.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I don't know if he did or not, I only pointed out that if Soros DID fund this then he is only doing it to further the divide between the two parties, much like Trump does with every other word he speaks

The misunderstanding is my fault.

You didn't come on here and state IF, you came on here and stated HE DID, I called you on it and you bailed. Have your ducks in a row if you are going to make claims like that. And your defense, well people on these boards have said, IS NOT A DEFENSE. You need to step away from the keyboard.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

I've already admitted that the misunderstanding was my fault so I'm not sure why you keep trying to argue with me when I'm saying I agree with you. My post was made under the assumption that this is true even though I don't subscribe to it being true. I should have made that more clear.

originally posted by: Puppylove
You're right. If he did fund this, it's bait to get the right to call more younger people immature and stupid, and say crazy things like let's raise the voting age cause young people are too stupid to be able to vote.

So in other words it's bait to try and get people to point out the obvious? Also to say his only intention is to "bait the right" - or cause further divsion - is downright silly. Quite obviously lowering the voting age to 17 would prove significantly effective in helping the DNC win more votes - and I think that alone is a far more valuable (and likely) cause for the left/Soros to be pushing for something like this.

Soros is all about pushing for his side to win future elections - no matter how dirty the tactics - in order to force his left-wing agenda upon all that he can.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BubbaJoe

I've already admitted that the misunderstanding was my fault so I'm not sure why you keep trying to argue with me when I'm saying I agree with you. My post was made under the assumption that this is true even though I don't subscribe to it being true. I should have made that more clear.

There was no misunderstanding, you came here claiming phony crap. That is not the way things are done here on ATS, there are a lot of arguments, but when asked for facts, most can provide. Based on your original post you need to make a lot of things more clear, especially to yourself. By stepping into the ATS arena, which is filled with some highly intelligent people, and some idiots, you expose yourself to all kinds of things. Some are good, some are bad, but you will learn something everyday.

a reply to: Navieko

The youth are the future period. It is an effort to get votes, but not the way you think. The goal is to cause the right to, in an effort to fight them, alienate the youth of the future thus securing it for themselves.

You're helping them bait you into a self fulfilling prophecy. They took up the cause of future voters, knowing full well it will cause you all to attack them, belittle them, and work to undermine them. Causing these future voters to become scarred by you as they vote in the future.

Let's say you raise the age to 25, every single person 24 and younger who's old enough to understand what happened will not magically agree with you once they hit 25, they'll vote against the people that told them to # off. That's a lot of votes.

The only thing to do is support the current age because younger doesn't benefit you, and support younger age for the other things like drinking to make them equal to the age of literally dying for your country.

The goal is to win the votes of the future not actively alienate them. I swear it's like people complete lack an eye for the long game and big picture.

We need more balanced media content. Everything from news, to entertainment, to even social media has gotten too liberal. The youth has always been the easiest demographic to target and brainwash. We need some serious, patriotic, pro-constitution type media networks to produce more entertainment and journalism to counter the America hating globalist propaganda found in the Chinese owned Blockbusters and anti-constitution foreign subservient sorta news outlets.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Now you, you're using your head. Unlike some people who are too busy being angry to see the bigger picture.

Find ways to reach the youth. Attacking them won't succeed.

Besides, at best one one can keep the voter age where it is. It can stay where it is, or be lowered. People responding with wanting to raise it aren't thinking at all. Raising the age means taking the vote away from people. It means telling people who previously had the vote they are no longer worthy of having a say in their government until they grow up to one's, as they will feel it, bigoted standards.