Heavily Armed force of 200 moves in to remove 50 DAPL protesters

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

Considering the "trash" in question is improperly disposed of feces ... yes. It's about to get washed into the local watershed as raw, unprocessed sewage and head on downstream.

Port a potties were donated. Nevertheless, it is no comparison to a pipeline leak.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

Yea, kind of hypocritical for those protesting against the destruction of the environment to leave tons of trash behind! Don't ya think?

I think the trash left can easily be cleaned. Not like the leaks of this pipeline. There was already at least one.

Who cleans it up and where does it go?

Are you going to organize a cleanup effort? roflmao

a reply to: reldra

I agree. They shouldn't be staying past the time they were given.

My initial thought was how many officers does it take to arrest 50 people. Certainly not 1 and certainly not 2000. 200 seems about right.

This is from a perspective of removing myself from the emotions of the topic and just looking at it as people that have been legally evicted and now its time for law enforcement to do their job of removing them. I look at the 80 year old the same way, you don't get a pass to break laws based on age. Total photo op to tug on the emotions so that people forget about laws.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

Considering the "trash" in question is improperly disposed of feces ... yes. It's about to get washed into the local watershed as raw, unprocessed sewage and head on downstream.

Port a potties were donated. Nevertheless, it is no comparison to a pipeline leak.

How long were those people there and who took care of emptying the port a potties?

originally posted by: ketsuko
I'll only say this much. While the optics are bad on this, I also heard the statement from the lady representing the protesters. They set this up to look as bad as possible on their end too. If you don't think they orchestrated the leftovers and holdouts as carefully as possible, then you're also being naive.

There are far more defiant ones than just the 50 or so they left and they chose the elderly 80 year old on purpose to create just the kind of image you are seeing.

You're being manipulated on both ends here.

And you're being naive if you don't think this was a purposeful "Show of Force"

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

You aren't? You don't think it hypocritical of people protesting to protect the environment create an environmental hazard? LOL

I believe they brought force to ensure there would be no problems and to show what happens.
I also believe that they have to leave for their safety. They are in flood plains, that flood!

originally posted by: bluesjr
My initial thought was how many officers does it take to arrest 50 people. Certainly not 1 and certainly not 2000. 200 seems about right.

This is from a perspective of removing myself from the emotions of the topic and just looking at it as people that have been legally evicted and now its time for law enforcement to do their job of removing them. I look at the 80 year old the same way, you don't get a pass to break laws based on age. Total photo op to tug on the emotions so that people forget about laws.

That may be the advance cleanup crew too.

a reply to: Blaine91555

The violent radicals? Perhaps gunfire? You are reaching.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

I find it seriously ironic that people protesting potential environmental impact created an actual environmental impact during the course of their protest. Worried about it, though? Nah, just shows how "serious" the protesters were.

a reply to: reldra

You wouldn't it washed down into the water would you?

a reply to: Rezlooper

What part of "your'e being manipulated on both ends here" did you not get?

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

You aren't? You don't think it hypocritical of people protesting to protect the environment create an environmental hazard? LOL

Not as much as a pipeline that has already leaked.

It's like comparing Fukushima to trash left behind by OWS.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Martin75

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: grey580
If we've learned anything from the Bundy's.

No one evicts you if you have guns.

Are you freakin serious or just delusional?

Who died at Standing Rock?

Now who died in the Bundy stand off?

BTW? Who left behind more TRASH to be cleaned up?

You are seriously worried about trash cleanup?

You aren't? You don't think it hypocritical of people protesting to protect the environment create an environmental hazard? LOL

Not as much as a pipeline that has already leaked.

Hasn't been built yet!

How did it leak? roflmao

a reply to: ketsuko

What does the life of thousands matter when you're so mean you force 50 protesters off the land they've been evicted from but refused to leave.

originally posted by: Bluntone22
They could have left without incident.
But they decided to ignore the eviction order.
Oh well.

That's not the point of my OP. As you can read, I said they should have been arrested for trespassing. BUT, did it take an army to move 50 unarmed protesters? It was clearly to make a point... and all this at taxpayer expense.

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: reldra

You wouldn't it washed down into the water would you?

Right into the rivers the people say that they were there to protect! Hypocrisy at it's best!

a reply to: reldra

That trash can't be cleaned if the people don't get out like they were told. Where was there a leak at?

originally posted by: Blaine91555
a reply to: Rezlooper

Something needed to be done, but that's certainly bad visually. There is more to the story though.

LINK

North Dakota originally offered protesters a carrot. If they agreed to leave peacefully, they would receive a hotel room and bus ticket to anywhere in the U.S. As of Wednesday night, none had taken it. They also offered a courtesy or ‘ceremonial arrest’ for anyone needing a picture for their Facebook page. Again, no takers.

A 17-year-old girl and 7-year-boy old were burned after protesters set fire to the last remnants of the camp. They both required medical attention and one was air lifted to Minneapolis because her injuries were severe.

No child should have ever been there

Parenting at it's worst.

Now the cleanup efforts begin. The camps span more than 1,000 acres, which had been, according to state officials, sensitive wildlife habitat. Now, because of an early thaw and thousands of “water protectors” it is a wet, muddy cesspool of human waste and hazardous fuels after protesters turned the native grassland into a dumping ground.

According to the Col John Henderson of the US Army Corp of Engineers, crews have already removed some 250 truckloads of trash, but his agency plans to spend upwards to $1.2 million of taxpayer money to rehabilitate the area.

"To ensure that none of this garbage and waste and debris and structures and vehicles ended up in the reservoir. That would be an absolute environmental catastrophe,” Henderson said.

Sounds out of control to me and dangerous to those there, not to mention the destruction to the environment they falsely claim to care about.

Still though, it could have been handled better minus the National Guard. There is likely more to this though. Perhaps they were dealing with gunfire and the violent radicals who always plague protests?

All fine and dandy. You are correct.... bad parenting, shouldn't have left trash behind, but no, there wasn't any gunfire or even brandishing of weapons, and police never claimed they were. The local police force could have moved 50 unarmed protesters without all the show. This was a clear message to all of America to show what you are up against should you choose to stand against!

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: Bluntone22
They could have left without incident.
But they decided to ignore the eviction order.
Oh well.

That's not the point of my OP. As you can read, I said they should have been arrested for trespassing. BUT, did it take an army to move 50 unarmed protesters? It was clearly to make a point... and all this at taxpayer expense.

What else is at taxpayer expense?

The cleanup effort.

So I'm cool with my dollars being used to remove the people that caused more of my dollars to be wasted in the first place.

"One riot, one Ranger" is just a saying, not an actual tactic. When you're going in to forcibly remove somebody from an area, you do so with more people than they have. There's a number of reasons for doing it that way. Does it look bad? Sure, it can, especially when somebody convinces elderly people to stay behind so they can get them on camera being arrested.

But no, this isn't "an army." It's largely made up of regular deputies carrying their regular duty gear, from what I can tell.

Let me ask you this: what odds would've been acceptable to you? 1:1? 2:1? 3:1? At what point does it go from being what you deem to be an acceptable law enforcement presence to forcibly remove the protesters and turn in to being "too much" presence?