America is headed toward a Civil War

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Naa, we are fine.
Back in 08-10, we had tea party folks with just as much ferver in opposing Obama as what the left is doing now. This is seemingly the norm now..if your party wins, you wring your hands at how horrible and anti-american the opposite side is, then if your party loses, you feel you need to "save" america from the obvious infiltrators and destroyers of the country that just snuck into the whitehouse.

Its all just a game of nonsense from the extremes, but war...it will be the war only the true nutjobs will show up for if there ever was.

In saying that, I think Milo should go give another speaking at a university in CA soon..but this time, dont hire rent-a-cops for security...hire the Hells Angels. Watch the fireworks

Exactly.

a reply to: introvert

Of course I was painting with a large brush, because if you've been paying attention to anything I've been saying you would know I'm only talking about a small group of the "anti-trump". Not you, not him and not her. Wether they are right, left, up or down is irrelevant to me because I'm more concerned with their intentions and I make sure to paint them all with one stroke.

I could label them "purple people" and the narrative doesn't change, but you see the word liberal or left and become emotional and completely lose context of the whole thing.

How large is your brush when you say "most are unable to make a point without painting with a broad brush" ?

Hopefully not too large that it blocks your brain from acknowledging hypocrisy. Oh wait.

Nuances eh

originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
a reply to: introvert

Of course I was painting with a large brush, because if you've been paying attention to anything I've been saying you would know I'm only talking about a small group of the "anti-trump". Not you, not him and not her. Wether they are right, left, up or down is irrelevant to me because I'm more concerned with their intentions and I make sure to paint them all with one stroke.

I could label them "purple people" and the narrative doesn't change, but you see the word liberal or left and become emotional and completely lose context of the whole thing.

How large is your brush when you say "most are unable to make a point without painting with a broad brush" ?

Hopefully not too large that it blocks your brain from acknowledging hypocrisy. Oh wait.

Nuances eh

Many of us are middle of the road kind of folks, we didn't vote for either of them, and we don't like Trump. Why is that so hard to understand, he lost the popular vote, he has the highest disapproval rating of any newly elected president. I thought y'all wanted him to change things, why do you balk when we hold his feet to the fire? Not to mention his cabinet picks are a disgrace, drain the swamp my ass, bring more of them to Washington, Betsy DeVos and Jaime Diamond, you have honestly got to be kidding me.

a reply to: Bloodydagger


Whats ironic to me is that both sides want change, they want the old system to end and a new one to take its place. The problem with the left is they are just angry at everything at this point, just kind of ranting with no real coherent message or direction. The right is more focused, they seem to really want the country to head in a direction that will make the country more like it was before globalization and massive immigration. The problem is each group sees one another as a threat to their ideology and at some point it may get violent. Civil war, no, but I remember this is looking a lot like 1968. Lots of civil unrest and rioting. I think the only thing that's going to bring us together as a country will be changes that everyone views as just, and that wont be easy. We will get through it as a country though, this isn't the first time a dark cloud has hung over us, its just the first time in recent memory. The good news is that its quite possible some positive change will come from it. Stay positive.

a reply to: BubbaJoe

I'm not sure if you've been keeping up our discussion but it has nothing to do with you, me or Trump... We are not even discussing what Trump did or will do or his cabinet picks.. we are discussing the probability of a civil war. I'm having a hard time finding relevance in your post but the emotion is clear.

You are entitled to your opinion and you can hold his feet to the fire all you want, I won't stop you. Just be careful not to burn your hands.

And for someone critisizing others for only being able to use broad strokes you sure used a lot of those in your post. But I'm sure you also noticed that

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: Xeven
Civil war would result in mass starvation. The systems in place that provide people with food, fresh water, electricity, medicine would be decimated. There simply is not enough natural resource to sustain this population. Million nes would die from starvation, illness not to mention killings over survival resources.

Guess who can take control of the resources?

Hope they have plenty of dairy cows and chickens in L.A.

Interesting poing. Obamas Executive Order gives Trump that ability.....

a reply to: Bloodydagger

I think a civil war is coming, and not for the reasons you think. Many may say that what we see going on is the same as the tea party in 2008. I don't recall a single violent protest by any tea party group. No cars were burned, no buildings damaged and looted.
I have many friends in the San Francisco Bay Area that for some reason keep me as a friend. Their rhetoric has gone from simply promoting socialism/communism to violent and hateful propaganda. I've heard these people talk about the euthanasia of the elderly because they didn't "get" bernie sanders. I've heard them tell each other that now is not the time for talking and understanding and that now is the time for violent sedition. I've heard them talk about killing and enslaving white males and Christians. Ive had them tell me that I will be in a camp one day and that they'll be laughing at the "tables being turned."
There will be a civil war because that is what they want.

a reply to: Bloodydagger

Heck, liberals have been labeling conservatives as "possible extremists/terrorists" alongside returning veterans, anyone who agrees with the Second Amendment, anyone who fears communism and a one world order, and anyone who would dare to dissent from any of ex-President Obama's policies...

Under liberals Americans like Ron Paul, and judge Andrew Napolitano have been labeled as "right-wing extremists", and the left in general has been quiet. Yet, the right didn't incite a "civil war by having riots destroying private and public property and attacking people who disagree with them"... It has been the radical left, under a radical media and radical administration which has labeled half or more of the U.S. populace as "right-wing extremists".

If anyone is going to start a civil war now it is more likely that once again "it will be the radical left".

originally posted by: SaturnFX
Naa, we are fine.
Back in 08-10, we had tea party folks with just as much ferver in opposing Obama as what the left is doing now. This is seemingly the norm now.
...

I am sorry, could you show us the videos of Tea Party demonstrators inciting riots, destroying private and public property?

Could you show us "right-wing" media calling and promoting for the death of ex-President Obama?

Could you show us President Trump promoting and backing a racist group like ex-President Obama did with BLM?

The Tea Party protests were not like the radical left riots occurring now... Not to mention that it has been the left-wing media and their thugs alongside several democrats in some position of influence/power who have called for the assassination of President Trump, and are inciting violence.

Tea Party movement protest.



Yes, there are "some racists" who were at the tea party, but there was no "riots" like what we are seeing now from the radical left.

Radical left"riots".



Heck, should we look at how "environmentally friendly the radical left is compared to the tea party"?



Now, you show us the tea party littering like the left has been doing. But hey, the left is "against littering and against pollution right"?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

I am sorry, could you show us the videos of Tea Party demonstrators inciting riots, destroying private and public property?

Older people tend to be a lot more cordial in their protests

Could you show us "right-wing" media calling and promoting for the death of ex-President Obama?

offs, Glenn Beck made a career out of instigating fear that Obama was literally Hitler and tons of politicians discussing how he must be stopped, 2nd amendment remedys, etc.

Could you show us President Trump promoting and backing a racist group like ex-President Obama did with BLM?

His cabinet is filled with very concerning people, especially people like Steve Bannon.
Are you honestly asking to show racist groups backing Trump?...I will assume you were not thinking when you asked that. heh. (hint: kkk, neo-nazi movements, etc)

Yes, there are "some racists" who were at the tea party, but there was no "riots" like what we are seeing now from the radical left.

Different demographics. the progressives tend to be the tweens..too much time on their hand..damn near cultists. the neocons tend to be the middle age averaging and they aren't gonna start burning down their home..hell, most of their protests tend to be before dinner.
I agree the left riots are far more violent..and a lot more unfocused and ineffectual.

The discussion of this thread isn't who makes a crappier protest..it is are we on the verge of civil war.
I am simply saying no...people protest after a election every time..sometimes hotly, sometime just peaceful demonstrations, but it settles down after a few months. This isn't new. It is covered more because of the 24/7 cycle and twitter/facebook endless streams, but its not society crumbling. Go out this weekend..hit a local pub or bar..you will find pretty much nobody ready to riot. That is the norm going on..not a few spots of complete asshats violently attacking windows on some university Milo tries to speak at.

Heck, should we look at how "environmentally friendly the radical left is compared to the tea party"?

Irrelevant to the topic.

This is less of a civil war and more of a Western cultural war, similar to that of the 70's. America is simply the flash point in a long fought battle between the Liberal middle classes and the slightly less liberal working classes.

I do think we will see some form of mass violence (not rioting), firstly, from the current Far-Left middle classes, then retaliatory violence from the working class. But as for all out war, as well as the overthrow of the American government? I don't think its possible. Firstly the Far-left do not, and likely never will, have the military on their side. There Trump card (oh, the puns) is the media but the media will only get them so far. The celebrity calls for violence will no doubt ramp up in the coming weeks and months but Hollywood is nothing if not a bleeding heart and soon as violence starts I would expect them (Hollywood) to back track.

ALS.

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: SaturnFX

Back in 08-10, we had tea party folks with just as much ferver in opposing Obama as what the left is doing now.

That just isn't true.

The Tea Party never came close to what critics of the current administration are doing.

From Ferguson to Berkeley.

They took over federal land with guns

It will end in a civil war. I always considered myself a moderate independent. But in the course of one year I have found myself drifting to the right. In the past year I have been called a fascist by my liberal friends when I asked: why must Assad go? If Trump is a racist why did NBC hire him for nearly ten years. My kids think I might be a racist because I think Blazing Saddles is funny. I guess millennials don't understand irony. My wife is suspicious of me because I wasn't as angry as I should have been when trump won. I explained it was not like he beat someone I liked. Plus I didn't vote for Trump. We found out this year when a right winger gets mad he pops open a can of beer yells at the tv and votes for trump. When a left winger gets made they figure out how to blow stuff up. I studied history and understand Islam We are in big trouble. Give it six months and there will be a Kent state incident. Irony is a woman in a hajib marching for women's rights. Peace.

Neo-Liberals are what is wrong with America today.

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: SaturnFX

Back in 08-10, we had tea party folks with just as much ferver in opposing Obama as what the left is doing now.

That just isn't true.

The Tea Party never came close to what critics of the current administration are doing.

From Ferguson to Berkeley.

They took over federal land with guns

Ohhh ... and that felt so damn good ...

originally posted by: WhateverYouSay

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: SaturnFX

Back in 08-10, we had tea party folks with just as much ferver in opposing Obama as what the left is doing now.

That just isn't true.

The Tea Party never came close to what critics of the current administration are doing.

From Ferguson to Berkeley.

They took over federal land with guns

Let's be perfectly clear.

A single event does NOT equate to what the left has consistently done across this country, and keeps escalating it.

Apples to oranges.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger
Neo-Liberals are what is wrong with America today.

And there it is.... and of course protestors are terrorists according to many on the right. If one wants to start a civil war, the most effective method will be to exploit these attitudes among those who are most militant, armed, resentful, and ready for a fight.

We have a very hostile president, and any resistence is only met with more hostility... it's pretty easy to see who is looking to start a war.

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

I am sorry, could you show us the videos of Tea Party demonstrators inciting riots, destroying private and public property?

Older people tend to be a lot more cordial in their protests

Could you show us "right-wing" media calling and promoting for the death of ex-President Obama?

offs, Glenn Beck made a career out of instigating fear that Obama was literally Hitler and tons of politicians discussing how he must be stopped, 2nd amendment remedys, etc.

Could you show us President Trump promoting and backing a racist group like ex-President Obama did with BLM?

His cabinet is filled with very concerning people, especially people like Steve Bannon.
Are you honestly asking to show racist groups backing Trump?...I will assume you were not thinking when you asked that. heh. (hint: kkk, neo-nazi movements, etc)

Yes, there are "some racists" who were at the tea party, but there was no "riots" like what we are seeing now from the radical left.

Different demographics. the progressives tend to be the tweens..too much time on their hand..damn near cultists. the neocons tend to be the middle age averaging and they aren't gonna start burning down their home..hell, most of their protests tend to be before dinner.
I agree the left riots are far more violent..and a lot more unfocused and ineffectual.

The discussion of this thread isn't who makes a crappier protest..it is are we on the verge of civil war.
I am simply saying no...people protest after a election every time..sometimes hotly, sometime just peaceful demonstrations, but it settles down after a few months. This isn't new. It is covered more because of the 24/7 cycle and twitter/facebook endless streams, but its not society crumbling. Go out this weekend..hit a local pub or bar..you will find pretty much nobody ready to riot. That is the norm going on..not a few spots of complete asshats violently attacking windows on some university Milo tries to speak at.

Heck, should we look at how "environmentally friendly the radical left is compared to the tea party"?

Irrelevant to the topic.

Excuse me!!!! Tea Party is just filled with OLD PEOPLE? Maybe the fact that college age people turned out to be spoiled entitled brats brainwashed by their Marxist professors.....those are the ones who couldn't contain their programmed anguish. Maybe that's what Sesame Street MKULTRA programming did to their poor brains. The rest of these people burning stuff and violently calling for assassination are paid protesters and professional Progressive agitators and women who think their one issue item is all the world goes around for. As a conservative woman I find it completely vulgar.
And you didn't find Obamas cabinet and czars and such disturbing? John Holdren wanting to mass medicate the people through the water supplies to involuntarily sterilize everyone????? Van Jones self acclaimed COMMUNIST out of prison... Valerie Jarrett communist and totalitarian and when was she ever approved by Congress?
What are you thinking man???

Snowflakes get burnt with the heaterz brah!

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
Excuse me!!!!

okay

Tea Party is just filled with OLD PEOPLE?

I dont think middle age = old...also you then immediately went on the "these durned kids these days rant literally right after this sentence..didn't do a fantastic job disproving that

John Holdren wanting to mass medicate the people through the water supplies to involuntarily sterilize everyone?????

Glenn Beck conspiracy theory purposefully misrepresenting a discussion on *how* population reduction could happen with no endorsment and actually a lot of it cant work because of all these variables, to include legal, social, and moral considerations.
Sorry you didn't decide to research this at all and simply accepted what Jim Jones was telling you to think. put down the cup, its not just a refreshing drink.

Van Jones self acclaimed COMMUNIST out of prison... Valerie Jarrett communist and totalitarian and when was she ever approved by Congress?
What are you thinking man???

I dont like commies, I am no fan of fascists either. This is actually proving my point though, both sides are doing the same thing, their are creeps in the cabinet there are idiots in the protests, and we aren't anywhere near a civil war..just same stuff, different titles.
My view. You can of course view things differently. We can discuss in about 4 years who was right or wrong (hint: if we didn't have a civil war, then I was right)