Why Didn't America Take Over the World (1945-1950)

a reply to: JoshuaCox

That is the real scary part of our current situation.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: JoshuaCox

What was the state of human rights and intelligence at that period?

Total crap lol...

Well maybe not intelligence , but 1950's America wasn't exactly known for its tolerance of different cultures lol.

Yet, it is still known as "The Greatest Generation".... why? Look at the sacrifices made by Americans in the 40's. How many of us died to free Europe?

We are but a shadow of what THEY were.

Said every generation ever.. about its preceding generation.

I served my country for 21 years. I NEVER, in my 21 years had to deal with the conditions that they did. What they went through is beyond comprehension.

That is truth....

And they didn't have to deal with WW 1 conditions and they didn't have to deal with the civil war. And they didn't have to deal with the revolutionary war......

It's been the same for every generation since the renaissance...

Because we haven't had a dark age since then.

a reply to: Vector99

Was it Rumsfeld who came up with the term "preemptive retaliation?"

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

And every administration for every nuclear power is a dice roll.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Was it Rumsfeld who came up with the term "preemptive retaliation?"

Stumping me there, that's actually something I'll have to look up.

I would think that more to be a Cheney statement.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: JoshuaCox

What was the state of human rights and intelligence at that period?

Total crap lol...

Well maybe not intelligence , but 1950's America wasn't exactly known for its tolerance of different cultures lol.

Yet, it is still known as "The Greatest Generation".... why? Look at the sacrifices made by Americans in the 40's. How many of us died to free Europe?

We are but a shadow of what THEY were.

Said every generation ever.. about its preceding generation.

I served my country for 21 years. I NEVER, in my 21 years had to deal with the conditions that they did. What they went through is beyond comprehension.

That is truth....

And they didn't have to deal with WW 1 conditions and they didn't have to deal with the civil war. And they didn't have to deal with the revolutionary war......

It's been the same for every generation since the renaissance...

Because we haven't had a dark age since then.

If I have learned one "truth" it is this....

Americans will fight for freedom, and we will fight at every turn. That is FACT. Bank on it.

We don't back down, and we don't lose. Ever.

a reply to: Vector99

meh.

Sort of moot if them are the choices.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

And every administration for every nuclear power is a dice roll.

Yea but Russia made it solid that even the incoming administration cannot screw with the deadhand, because it would trigger initiation.

It's pure evil genius. Bravo Russia.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

And every administration for every nuclear power is a dice roll.

Yea but Russia made it solid that even the incoming administration cannot screw with the deadhand, because it would trigger initiation.

It's pure evil genius. Bravo Russia.

What do you mean? What stops Putin from dining it on a whim?

Not saying he would, just procedure wise.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

meh.

Sort of moot if them are the choices.

Those two schmucks believe a nuclear war is survivable.

To quote a wise man named Ralph
"You're going to the moon"

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: JoshuaCox

What was the state of human rights and intelligence at that period?

Total crap lol...

Well maybe not intelligence , but 1950's America wasn't exactly known for its tolerance of different cultures lol.

Yet, it is still known as "The Greatest Generation".... why? Look at the sacrifices made by Americans in the 40's. How many of us died to free Europe?

We are but a shadow of what THEY were.

Said every generation ever.. about its preceding generation.

I served my country for 21 years. I NEVER, in my 21 years had to deal with the conditions that they did. What they went through is beyond comprehension.

That is truth....

And they didn't have to deal with WW 1 conditions and they didn't have to deal with the civil war. And they didn't have to deal with the revolutionary war......

It's been the same for every generation since the renaissance...

Because we haven't had a dark age since then.

If I have learned one "truth" it is this....

Americans will fight for freedom, and we will fight at every turn. That is FACT. Bank on it.

We don't back down, and we don't lose. Ever.

Yet..

Nuclear war with a major power might dampen that fighting spirit..

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

And every administration for every nuclear power is a dice roll.

Yea but Russia made it solid that even the incoming administration cannot screw with the deadhand, because it would trigger initiation.

It's pure evil genius. Bravo Russia.

What do you mean? What stops Putin from dining it on a whim?

Not saying he would, just procedure wise.

I mean exactly what i said. Russia has a system in place that within 24 hours all of their active nuclear arsenal would be fired at predetermined targets in the US.

Russia kind of has to survive. The deadhand is confirmed from the cold war, and supposedly shut down after. Shut down in Russia means on standby.

a reply to: Vector99

Any idea if there is a US equivalent?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Any idea if there is a US equivalent?

Ohio class subs

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: namehere
well lets think about how rome, macedonia, mongolia, russia, the US and canada got so big.

much less people lived in all these places than in the world in 1945 and the targets were mostly far less advanced and not used to war.

less people = easier conquest

but the biggest reason is that americans are mostly cowards that hate fighting and look for the easiest way to benefit off others, that's why we put so much focus on air and sea power, on drones, missiles, on space, technology, etc.

we have always stayed at a distance from combat and rarely get into full scale wars

Lol we love to fight...

We love to fight soooo much we don't nuke people so we can..

I don't think it is that easy to push that nuke button.

In America it is.. our system is set up with the expectation there is only like 7 min of "prep time"..

That's not time to have a congressional hearing lol.

That's " president trump. Here is the info you have 4 min to decide. "

The Russian's have a dead hand. Retaliation is imminent.

With nuke subs, there is just that, about a 7-10 minute to first strike. Many countries have this.

And every administration for every nuclear power is a dice roll.

Yea but Russia made it solid that even the incoming administration cannot screw with the deadhand, because it would trigger initiation.

It's pure evil genius. Bravo Russia.

What do you mean? What stops Putin from dining it on a whim?

Not saying he would, just procedure wise.

I mean exactly what i said. Russia has a system in place that within 24 hours all of their active nuclear arsenal would be fired at predetermined targets in the US.

Russia kind of has to survive. The deadhand is confirmed from the cold war, and supposedly shut down after. Shut down in Russia means on standby.

But what's the trigger??

do you mean, " if Putin dies, they instantly launch?"

Or if we launch whatever Sargent who runs the equipment doesn't need outside authorization? He just instantly launches..


I'm not seeing the difference between that and the us system. We launch if they do , no questions asked, they just ask the pres first.

a reply to: Vector99

I meant the deadhand thing. Is that US protocol?

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: JoshuaCox

What was the state of human rights and intelligence at that period?

Total crap lol...

Well maybe not intelligence , but 1950's America wasn't exactly known for its tolerance of different cultures lol.

Yet, it is still known as "The Greatest Generation".... why? Look at the sacrifices made by Americans in the 40's. How many of us died to free Europe?

We are but a shadow of what THEY were.

Said every generation ever.. about its preceding generation.

I served my country for 21 years. I NEVER, in my 21 years had to deal with the conditions that they did. What they went through is beyond comprehension.

That is truth....

And they didn't have to deal with WW 1 conditions and they didn't have to deal with the civil war. And they didn't have to deal with the revolutionary war......

It's been the same for every generation since the renaissance...

Because we haven't had a dark age since then.

If I have learned one "truth" it is this....

Americans will fight for freedom, and we will fight at every turn. That is FACT. Bank on it.

We don't back down, and we don't lose. Ever.

Yet..

Nuclear war with a major power might dampen that fighting spirit..

Nope... as long as I draw breath, I will fight.

We also have 2 Belgian Malinois, and they will KILL any trespassers.... including Gov't troops.

The Government likes to "send in the dogs".... well, we have the same dogs, with the same training.

Our Belgians are both over 70 lbs, and they are very well trained (My wife is a Master Trainer)....

So, no matter what... I say "bring it on"

a reply to: JoshuaCox

They have a sophisticated system thankfully.

It relies on 6 or 7 factors I believe. Radiation detection being one of they key factors, seismic second, and direct or indirect comm third. it's a holy # system, and hope it doesn't fail system, but yes it does indeed exist. Moscow confirmed it during the cold war.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

I meant the deadhand thing. Is that US protocol?

No, that's completely Russian.

Are you messing with me or do you really not know of the Russian deadhand?