Why Didn't America Take Over the World (1945-1950)

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Who made the U.S. boss of the world though? to decide who can get or have what? It's like me deciding what my next door neighbour gets to have
As for evolved..I'm afraid not enough, in the end all empires fail..especially when they overreach.
The more you try to control the more it eventually slips through your fingers.
Peace

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Hitler wanted to racially cleanse the world

Actually...Hitler's plans didn't expand beyond Eurasia. He had zero intentions beyond that. He thought the western world was on his side since they actually were funding him.

Fun history fact.

Yet

Yet what?

Hitler is dead, and even if the conspirators are right and he's living somewhere in South America, he's umm...yet?

*edit to edit

Also America would have pissed him off by joining the allies. So Once Hitler consolidated Europe.....

America DID indeed join those silly Europeans, and the Russians, and Germany lost

It was assuming Hitler won, remember? Or at least that is what I thought we were on.

Had Hitler won there would be Germany and the USA. The US was actually a big silent proponent of Hitler's Germany, even during WW2.

The US was building a massive naval military for just that reason.

But we might have lost that navy when Hitler won the war. Reguardless if he won and got nukes first. He definately nukes America making nazi Germany the only world power.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: madmac5150

I think often of how tough people were then..WW1 and then 2, especially the misery of #1

@ madmac My mother tells me all about the misery of it all and believe me she is tough.

My grandparents survived WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII. We are of Scottish heritage, and we survive. My grandparents were far more hardy, and survived crap that we cannot understand today.

Do you mean like eating grass?

Yes. And gleaning coal off of the train tracks that the coal cars dropped to heat their home...

a reply to: madmac5150

Both my grandfathers fought in WW2..one flew Lancasters and the other was a mechanic, I wish I knew more. They lived through the depression as well but never talked about it.

a reply to: JoshuaCox


Well general Patton agreed with you he wanted to keep going until he hit Moscow.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

wwi we joined months before the end, in ww2 we waited 2 years due to isolationist sentiment and anti-war protests, korea was started between themselves(we just helped the favorable side), vietnam was fought for france and the dutch, iraq 1 was fought for kuwait and we never set foot in most cities, kosovo war was fought because europe asked us to intervene, afghanistan was mostly fought by rebel war lords and US air power, iraq 2 was an exception, libya and syria were initiated by europe and we took over later on and we barely put boots on the ground either time,with isis we are barely doing any real fighting against.

most conflicts since ww2 we have used air power and blitz tactics or special ops backed with air support, we americans rarely actually risk our necks physically in conflict as much as possible.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Who made the U.S. boss of the world though? to decide who can get or have what? It's like me deciding what my next door neighbour gets to have
As for evolved..I'm afraid not enough, in the end all empires fail..especially when they overreach.
The more you try to control the more it eventually slips through your fingers.
Peace

Albert Eisenstein and Oppenheimer lol.. it's all just bs conjecture since Truman said no reguardless lol.


It is just a super interesting question.


On one hand you have an almost inevitable (long term) consequence of sooner or later a couple world powers going at it with them...

But on the other hand you have all the consequences of empire...

Imagaine being the guy who has to make that call...

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Germany was too far behind..they where working on it but did not have the infrastructure and money to make atomic weapons..it cost over 2 billion to develop the Manhattan project.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

The US was actually a big silent proponent of Hitler's Germany, even during WW2.

Not.

So

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: madmac5150

Both my grandfathers fought in WW2..one flew Lancasters and the other was a mechanic, I wish I knew more. They lived through the depression as well but never talked about it.

One of my grandfathers landed at Omaha.... the other was a typesetter, and forbidden to serve because he was "press"; I learned my values from both men... which probably explains why I stuck around the USAF for 21 years....

a reply to: JoshuaCox

On one hand you have an almost inevitable (long term) consequence of sooner or later a couple world powers going at it with them...

That was sort of the point of NATO. Right? To avoid that sort of thing.

Of course, as we all know, NATO is obsolete. So now it's America First, boyee!

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: JoshuaCox


Well general Patton agreed with you he wanted to keep going until he hit Moscow.

That's what I'm saying... Truman had to argue with George Patton on military issues to stop from bombing people lol...

Really gives you respect for the guy.


Would Obama or trump argue when a general says it's time??

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: madmac5150

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: madmac5150

I think often of how tough people were then..WW1 and then 2, especially the misery of #1

@ madmac My mother tells me all about the misery of it all and believe me she is tough.

My grandparents survived WWI, the Great Depression, and WWII. We are of Scottish heritage, and we survive. My grandparents were far more hardy, and survived crap that we cannot understand today.

Do you mean like eating grass?

Yes. And gleaning coal off of the train tracks that the coal cars dropped to heat their home...

Yeah, I get it.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Germany was too far behind..they where working on it but did not have the infrastructure and money to make atomic weapons..it cost over 2 billion to develop the Manhattan project.

I thought we stole German scientists to make ours?? But reguardless it's an interesting question.

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: JoshuaCox

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Hitler wanted to racially cleanse the world

Actually...Hitler's plans didn't expand beyond Eurasia. He had zero intentions beyond that. He thought the western world was on his side since they actually were funding him.

Fun history fact.

Yet

Yet what?

Hitler is dead, and even if the conspirators are right and he's living somewhere in South America, he's umm...yet?

*edit to edit

Also America would have pissed him off by joining the allies. So Once Hitler consolidated Europe.....

America DID indeed join those silly Europeans, and the Russians, and Germany lost

It was assuming Hitler won, remember? Or at least that is what I thought we were on.

Had Hitler won there would be Germany and the USA. The US was actually a big silent proponent of Hitler's Germany, even during WW2.

The US was building a massive naval military for just that reason.

But we might have lost that navy when Hitler won the war. Reguardless if he won and got nukes first. He definately nukes America making nazi Germany the only world power.

Japan tried to decimate the US naval forces prior to US engagement, aka Pearl Harbor. Didn't really scratch the US naval fleet and assembly that ensued did it?

Germany never developed a long range bomber capable of crossing the atlantic, let alone the pacific. Even if he had developed the bomb and won the European war, he still would have to face the oceans to get to the west.

I doubt he would have pursued it. That's just my informed opinion though.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

I thought we stole German scientists to make ours??

No. That was a bit later. They had really good rockets.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Human nature I'm afraid..the eventuality.
I'm not sure that was Einstein or Oppenheimer's intention..it was a race though to get it done. I think they both regretted it.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JoshuaCox

On one hand you have an almost inevitable (long term) consequence of sooner or later a couple world powers going at it with them...

That was sort of the point of NATO. Right? To avoid that sort of thing.

Of course, as we all know, NATO is obsolete. So now it's America First, boyee!

So obviously a valid consequence, lol.


Does trump argue with Patton when he says we should nuke Moscow to remain the only super power?


No chance in hell.

a reply to: Phage

Yes von Braun..I think it was the German's that discovered the potential from splitting the atom no?

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JoshuaCox

Human nature I'm afraid..the eventuality.
I'm not sure that was Einstein or Oppenheimer's intention..it was a race though to get it done. I think they both regretted it.

They absolutely regretted it..

Truman scorned Oppenheimer as a sissy. Saying

"What's he complaining about?!?! I've got far more blood on my hands than him. You don't see me belly aching."

The enormity of the figures and stakes at that point in history can not be over stated.