Disclosure by DeLonge & Levenda, Sekret Machines: Gods (Volume 1 of Gods, Man & War)

a reply to: Phage

I believe it can be somewhat defined. It's just a discussion. I promise to bring at least a little science to the question.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Nuh, uh. I don't.

or...

Yuh, huh. I do.


Multiple choice.

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: SacredLore

What do you think this announcement will be? Doesn't sound like a TV series or movie. Maybe some kind of conference or something?

I think it will be a Hollywood movie. Tom DeLonge sees this as the most influential way to reach the masses. It was the original, major goal of his project.
Listen here: Coast to Coast interview at about 37:30

I am currently listening to this interview and DeLonge is winning me back over with this one. Highly recommended hearing.

originally posted by: Phage

I think that most of those who use the term in this context are either disingenuous or ignorant.

So the topic is 'dimensional' theories as relates to this OP, and especially to the posted excerpts and commentary by mi adori and old pal, AboveBoard.

I'm assuming, Phage, Sir, that when folk start vaguely and willy-nilly flinging words like 'dimensions' around in the context of the extra-intelligence question you take some scientific issue. Mebbe even intellectual umbrage. And, in many cases, rightly so.

Not all of the 'popular' theories that make reference of dimensions or like concepts, refer to any kind of 'dimensions' that could contain some form of intelligent, or parallel, life. That folk sometimes get that mixed up is understood.

On the other hand I would also proffer that some who have understanding of what they are talking about use the 'dimensional' descriptive loosely but within the context of scientific theory and, as such, correctly in the course of discussion.

All of the above assuming that you would agree that some of these theories--the top contenders actually--do include room for "alternate worlds" and such.

Gravitational waves, string theory, external inflation, the multiverse theories & more all certainly suggest some mind-blowing discoveries to come. Throw in some spooky-at-a-distance Entanglement and the hard-science confounding phenomena of Consciousness and we have the makings of what for us would at least seem like the metaphysical ala Arthur C. Clarke.

I'd also say a lot more scientists are also 'alchemists' than you might imagine. Some of DeLonge's contacts certainly. And, thusly, why this topic is coming up in the DeLonge literature. They're either true believers or this is another psyop. Or both. Springer is close to some of the players and suggested in another thread that he believes some kind of revealing announcement is coming. We'll see.

I also mentioned CERN, as did the luscious Zazz, and they certainly are looking for evidence of--among other things--extra dimensions in the collisions. As I've bolded below in the excerpt from CERN, we don't know if these "extra dimensions" could consist of alternate worlds or not. But "dimensional" in the way we often use it here certainly is, therefore, a possibility.

Physicists know about four forces that govern the way particles interact: electromagnetism, the strong and weak nuclear forces, and gravity. Gravity is by far the weakest. Think about sticking a magnet to a refrigerator door. The magnet can respond to the electromagnetic force that attracts it to the door. Or it can respond to the gravitational force of the Earth below. If you let it go at a short enough distance, it sticks straight to the door, ignoring the entire planet beneath it.

Physicists wonder why gravity seems so much weaker than the other three forces. One possibility is that we’re only experiencing a fraction of it. It could be that the gravitational force acts partially in another dimension, or many extra dimensions, that we can’t perceive. Knowing more about gravity could help physicists seeking to form a so-called theory of everything, a theory that combines the four forces into one.
Extra dimensions would not necessarily consist of alternate worlds, as depicted in science fiction. They could simply be too small for us to see…

CERN - Extra Dimensions

We're--all of us--grasping in the dark at this point in time. Through a telescope darkly if you will! As far as you & I know, there is no current grand theory of the universe that can be argued empirically. It's getting weirder by the minute though, eh?

Philosophy begat Metaphysics begat Science. I suggest all three were once as one and, perhaps, are becoming as one, that is to say, unified, once again.

I like leaving you vids, sir, and this one is pretty profound methinks. Short & kickbutt too. The subtitles are important. It's the opening of one of my very favorite films (Run Lola Run) and, now that I think about it, also plays with the dimension of space/time a bit too.

a reply to: The GUT

We're--all of us--grasping in the dark at this point in time. Through a telescope darkly if you will!

Our chances of lightening that telescope have just gotten better
Nasa intendeds to use the sun as a massive telescope, by integrating gravitational lensing they say will produce far higher images of exoplanets from hundreds of light-years away.

We thought Hubble was brilliant!

It is this property that the scientists wish to exploit by building a telescope that uses this effect to image exoplanets, or planets around other stars. This idea was presented by the JPL scientists at a NASA workshop in late February.
Such a telescope could image exoplanets at extremely high resolution, turning a single pixel into an image 1000 pixels across. This is enough to directly observe any continents on exoplanets a hundred light-years away.

www.popularmechanics.com...

Forgive me for the length of this...

Dimensional theories relating to UFO’S is a difficult subject. It’s difficult because such travel is not easy for even advanced mystics to do…

It’s really little to do with leaving your body and things like that. It’s about actually entering another dimension intelligently and leaving intelligently.

Its not something any of us learned in school to do.

What has to be understood first is in fact what Peter Levenda puts forth in that this dimensional or gateway travel is very esoteric and advanced mystics have difficulties perfecting the mode of travel and partake of extreme measures in doing such or at least extreme as far as the average person is concerned.

Also, understand the path to enlightenment theory isn’t concerned with this necessarily, though this travel is an attribute of what is known as enlightenment.

Gateway or dimensional travel is a specialty in the field of mysticism, I would say, it is not a requirement necessarily.

In other words mystics do not base their practice on learning inter-dimensional travel, it is merely a by-product of the mystical science, albeit a major one...

As Levenda points out such travel IS NOT based on any objective geographical space-time reality but ultimately the inner travel of the individual to his own inner stars that correspond to the outer stars.

AS ABOVE SO BELOW is the premise.

The above is the Macrocosm, the below is one's microcosm.

This is real science not just mystical theory

Though one has to experience it in themselves beyond theory to grasp it…

Also, what also must be understood, something too complex to go into too deeply here, is that there is a difference between a state and a station in mystical parlance. A state is a mere glimpse of another dimension a station is a permanent stable access inside another dimension.

Its no one route to this capacity—inter-dimensional travel—usually one of the mentation sciences: meditation, contemplation, Dhikr( mantra) or even prayer can be used to excel in this field though you have to do these things very adeptly to get results.

Also, many times we naturally have capacities to inwardly travel we had as children that we as adults have somehow lost.

So don’t be afraid to look into your own inner world of your childhood for guidance

Here is a secret I’ll reveal here. Or a forgotten fact.

A very simple and basic one…

The famous Garden of Eden is an allegory for these inter-dimensional worlds

Remember God said to Adam, go unto any tree in the garden you desire except one tree.

Those trees are metaphors for different dimensions or worlds. There NOT real fruits.

Tress are a perfect metaphor for dimensional worlds because they have branches which are analogues for extending one dimension into eternity and yet still have others you aren’t even inside of you might want to visit at another time.

Now taking all of this to the Sekret Machines paradigm or simply more familiarly UFO’s, I think it is very possible some of them are inter-dimensionally traveling to our world. But if so these beings are very advanced!

It also may be that some of them are straight up coming from some far off place light-years in the distance of the darkened universe.

What I will conjecture is this; is that the inter-dimensional travel is more difficult than the linear traveling to one planet to another.

Levenda postulates that the powerful spiritual exercises of certain religious ceremonies may be drawing them here. I could believe that. That’s something Steven Greer actually believes in, as well.

Just remember their are only 19 worlds-dimensions in our solar system

a reply to: Willtell

What I will conjecture is this; is that the inter-dimensional travel is more difficult than the linear traveling to one planet to another.

I am of the opinion that linear travel at higher speed is never going to be an option for humans.
Gaining freedoms is the only way to 'access' higher dimensions. We are governed by 4 freedoms, the problem is, how do you travel to a place that is governed by more freedoms without interacting with it so you don't die/Smite!

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originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: Willtell

What I will conjecture is this; is that the inter-dimensional travel is more difficult than the linear traveling to one planet to another.

I am of the opinion that linear travel at higher speed is never going to be an option for humans.
Gaining freedoms is the only way to 'access' higher dimensions. We are governed by 4 freedoms, the problem is, how do you travel to a place that is governed by more freedoms without interacting with it so you don't die/Smite!

All of these so called insiders with all these secrets keep saying “ oh we have the ability to take ET home”


I don’t believe it either


They cant tie ET’s shoe laces

a reply to: Willtell

All I can say what I've said since the start of the TDL extravaganza, if they do have some tech, don't give us editorialized information (that we have already read in Valle, Gods of Eden blah blah) give the information to science.

I think Delonge is on to something in the way he is presenting the information. The idea is to get things into the main stream. I mean, no offense but 8 out of 10 of the people on this website are bat# #ing crazy. So putting the information out for the typical UFO reader isn't good enough.. But if he can get it out to the people who don't fear that the government is in control of their reptilian cat, then he can have a real impact.

PS
You're all crazy.

a reply to: SacredLore

Dude is on his way to a History Channel hosted show is: Ancient Aliens style

a reply to: Cornissa

Thanks for your interesting comments!

buddhism is in contact with these kind of beings. He talked about aliens at least for half an our.

I would love to know what the Buddhist said :-) Does it align somehow with the direction that the Sekret Machines book takes?

a reply to: AboveBoard

Do not despair :-)

This weekend I came across this (probably illegally copied) interview. George Knapp skillfully asks all the right questions and manages to get some extremely interesting answers from Tom and Peter that shed a MUCH better light on the Sekret Machines project. They won my heart (and my logical thinking) back with this one.
This would deserve a thread of its own, but I am too tired from work (I, probably somewhat idiotically, have a job and work hard so I can continue to come up with the horrendous amount of 17.54 bucks for a DeLonge book).

DeLonge & Levenda interviewed by George Knapp, February 2017

Honestly, this interview IS earth-shattering, mind-expanding and answers all my critical questions to my complete satisfaction. Nobody will bother, as usual. But if you are truly interested in the subject, for God's (!) sake, listen through the entire interview. It explains a LOT! Just be prepared to have your feelings hurt if you insist that war is a cool institution that is indispensable for the advancement of mankind and if the idea that at least some governments might have good intentions is deeply disturbing for you.
When you listen to it, keep in mind that "thanks" to Wikileaks it was proven that the people who give information to Tom DeLonge are real, high-ranking officials in the US military, agencies and politics.

In the interest of fairness, it should perhaps be mentioned that there are plenty of creation texts/stories that does not really lend themselves readily to this theory that this book is presenting.

There are, in no particular order, plows, cattle gods, giant fish, the sky, the sun, the ground and any number of cheenanigans they get up to.

Some are even from Babylonia. This one from Dunnu, which although one might conceivably interpret it in all manner of ways, remains mainly about a plough, and the earth and the things they get up to. Which, apparently, is how it all began according to some Babylonians.

If you look at the creation myths from other parts of the world, like Karora in some of the australian aboriginal creation myths. Take a look at Karora here.

The problem with using all these creation stories to support a theory about the Phenomenon, you really have to look at all the evidence. Not just the parts that fits with the theory you are advancing. If you are going to use some and disregard others, at least you have to supply some convincing arguments of why you leave out these other creation myths.

Just my thoughts on the theology of it all.

BT

a reply to: levenda

Thank you, Sir! You are one ballsy man for having the greatness to keep showing up in this mud pit here

Consider that the human race in general may have experienced a traumatic event in its remote past. What if – aside from political, economic, and ideological conflicts which could just as easily be solved through peaceful means – our wars are really what is left of this initial, ancient trauma? A psychological or emotional reaction that keeps getting played out, over and over, because we have not been able to consciously address that initial trauma?

Best explanation, EVER!

Then, there is the problem that even the UFO community itself has become “balkanized” over the past few decades with different alliances and allegiances being formed and groups sniping at each other. This is either the result of normal human interaction or it is possibly manipulated in order to keep the community disorganized so that it does not become a threat to the status quo.

A very remarkable thought!

a reply to: AboveBoard

Excellent, I couldn't agree more. "Generation Freebie" bases their lives on unrealistic tenets, and the work of others.

originally posted by: Cornissa

Yep. A few years ago I was attented to an buddhist empowering ritual. After the ritual was a free q/a. I asked about aliens from the tibetan lama. His answer was that buddhism knows there are aliens. Furthermore: buddhism is in contact with these kind of beings. He talked about aliens at least for half an our. It was very interesting.

The Buddhists--especially the Dalai Lama--are certainly in contact with a number of entities…or maybe just with Jungian-style, deep psychology/subconscious parts of our psyche of some sort.

Are these entities--if they exist--what they claim to be?

Cloaked in secrecy for over 400 years, the State Oracle of Tibet has been a strange and mystical aspect of the Tibetan Buddhist tradition. This ancient spirit, which has inhabited a succession of thirteen human mediums, advises the Dalai Lama on matters of public and religious policy. To witness the eerie spectacle of a medium entering a trance state and being possessed by the Oracle is to confront profound questions about the very nature of human consciousness.

With permission from the Dalai Lama that had never been granted before, The Oracle explores the ancient practice of consulting spirits.

The Dalai Lama is interviewed about the subject at length and not only speaks about the trance state of possession, but is actually filmed consulting the channeled entities himself.

This film should also be of interest to those intrigued by the sound/vibration aspects of the Tibetan "Adepts".

In one scene the monk/oracle is surrounded by trumpets and sound. In explanation of what he experiences, the oracle states that the "possession" is preceded by vibrations that start in the feet and then a floating feeling and suddenly the trance state.

The Dalai Lama also makes the intriguing comment that some of these spirits are religious and some are not. I'm not sure because of his accent, but he seems to say that more of the spirits are Muslims and Christians than Buddhist or Hindu!

It will also be noted, that these channelled "Spirits" can be as devastatingly deceptive as all channelled entities seem to be.

At one point, two of the possessed monks seem to fiercely and violently engage each other. It's explained, however, that one of them is actually paying homage to the other!?

One of the most fantastic documentaries I've ever viewed.



Dalai Lama Consults Trance Channeled Entities! Rare Video