Daughter of top EU official raped and murdered by Afghan migrant

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Donkey_Dean
In many middle eastern countries a woman can expect to spend many months in jail if she reports a rape.

Which sounds bizarre from a Western perspective, but here is my guess as to why this is so in Islamic countries.

A woman is generally safe around men in her family and a courtship ordained by her father and a woman in Islamic society that strays from that protection is either one. Sexually immoral or two, interested in aggressive sex.

Three, if they were sexually immoral or purposely straying from family protection, why report a rape. An unchaste woman is essentially subjecting herself to a form of rape or abuse if the sex didn't occur in courtship or marriage, so why report a crime which you subject yourself to anyway. Especially if the crime calls for the death penalty of the person you accuse, especially if you yourself were already guilty of sexual immorality by giving yourself to men you aren't married to or courting.

Why not simply not stray outside of the protection provided by your father and brothers, uncles, etc.?

Islamic tradition regarding where a woman should be is not the same as Western society.

What?

These men rape them because they claim ownership of them. This ownership starts the day they were born by their father who because of his ownership of these children is able to "give them away" and order them to marry some old guy with a beard. They beat and kill them whenever they see fit and if they are raped by anyone other then their husban they are killed for it (if they are very lucky only imprisoned where btw they also get raped).

if they were sexually immoral or purposely straying from family protection

sycophantic.

Who do you think determines that? These same men! And all they have to do is make the claim and it will cost these woman their lives.
You sir, disgust me.

This isn't a problem limited to Islamic society.

It occurs right here in America. Sanctioned by Congress and the President. Freedom of religion.

I seem to recall a high profile rape case of a young girl abducted by a former Mormon. Mormonisms founder manipulated a 14 year old girl into marriage by promising to exalt her entire family into heaven. The young girls name was Helen Mar Kimball. Promising to exalt her father and mother into heaven was violation of Mormon doctrine. Mormons do not believe in Original Sin, they believe that people are held individually accountable for their own actions or sins, not Adam and Eve's transgressions, or their parents.

Essentially this was statutory rape by deception by Joseph Smith Jr, and the girls parents and government who refused to defend her from Smith's deceptions.

Today, the Mormons teach their converts not to date outside of their own belief systems. A Baptist or Methodist is supposed to be avoided. What difference that makes, I have no idea. But it creates rapists by denying them the opportunity to marry someone who baptized into other mainstream churches like Baptists or Methodists if they can't find someone in the Mormon belief system. And creates rapists by victimizing the leader of the household into thinking he should be inviting homeless carpenters to work on his house were his daughter lives in the name of Christian charity.

originally posted by: Miracula2
This isn't a problem limited to Islamic society.

It occurs right here in America. Sanctioned by Congress and the President. Freedom of religion.

I seem to recall a high profile rape case of a young girl abducted by a former Mormon. Mormonisms founder manipulated a 14 year old girl into marriage by promising to exalt her entire family into heaven. The young girls name was Helen Mar Kimball. Promising to exalt her father and mother into heaven was violation of Mormon doctrine. Mormons do not believe in Original Sin, they believe that people are held individually accountable for their own actions or sins, not Adam and Eve's transgressions, or their parents.

Essentially this was statutory rape by deception by Joseph Smith Jr, and the girls parents and government who refused to defend her from Smith's deceptions.

Today, the Mormons teach their converts not to date outside of their own belief systems. A Baptist or Methodist is supposed to be avoided. What difference that makes, I have no idea. But it creates rapists by denying them the opportunity to marry someone who baptized into other mainstream churches like Baptists or Methodists if they can't find someone in the Mormon belief system. And creates rapists by victimizing the leader of the household into thinking he should be inviting homeless carpenters to work on his house were his daughter lives in the name of Christian charity.

Well Mormons...are not what we call christians since they believe in marrying more than one person. Also THOSE mormons you refrence would not even be liked by Others because they to are extremist in the mormon churchs eyes.

LE tme explain the whole "keeping to your own" mindset. See there is a command to not marry or be with people who are not of your same as your beliefs. Alot of churches took it too far and started this whole "race issue" long ago as well. Nowhere is it mentioned to not love your neighbor based on ethnicity. it means Christians date christians and so on to match your beliefs(no matter what you beleive in mind you)

originally posted by: LumenImagoDei
You guys do realize things like this happen all the time all around the world in different cultures every day right? It's not limited to Islamic refugees. Not saying this isn't horrible but let's try not to blow it out of proportion as if it's the first time it's e ever happened, because it's not.
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Every culture/race has its bad apples, getting worked up over this one incident while ignoring the hundreds or even thousands of other cases every year just goes to show (in my opinion) that since it's a Muslim that means it's somehow worse than any other case.

No they don't. Because they are blinded by their hatred of Muslims. Most people DO see this.

I mean, if they weren't rampant hypocrites, they would be posting about every rape that occurs. But they don't.

originally posted by: Miracula2
LE tme explain the whole "keeping to your own" mindset. See there is a command to not marry or be with people who are not of your same as your beliefs)

That's a whole other thread as to what is Christian or not.

My point was in keeping with the thread topic is that freedom of religion produces rapists in the United States. A first world nation with one of the most powerful militaries and a powerful economy. This nation determines were a lot of the rest of the world goes culturally, politically, economically and determines their philosophy and ideology.

And yet we point the finger at Muslims.

It runs far deeper than the refugee problem in Europe, it's the entire liberal mindset that perpetuates this.



In the eyes of the left, it doesn't matter how heinous of acts these other cultures bring with them. There is only one thing the left finds disgusting, and that is a sense of national pride and security. It's literally a widespread mental disorder that has infected an entire political ideology, the push for cultural marxism has gone far beyond the realm of reasonable, it is literally an insane belief system. That is not something so easily fixed as securing a nation's borders.

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Miracula2
LE tme explain the whole "keeping to your own" mindset. See there is a command to not marry or be with people who are not of your same as your beliefs)

That's a whole other thread as to what is Christian or not.

My point was in keeping with the thread topic is that freedom of religion produces rapists in the United States. A first world nation with one of the most powerful militaries and a powerful economy. This nation determines were a lot of the rest of the world goes culturally, politically, economically and determines their philosophy and ideology.

And yet we point the finger at Muslims.

rape was going on since before religon existed...so there goes that little theory. Next.

And one other thing. The relgon itself didnt bring about th erape. That was a PERSOn making a decision themselves and Using that as a scapegoat.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

We agree on a lot of things but what I want to know is why they migrate north & west ?

If the UK was under the same conditions as Syria etc I would head to the USA, Canada, Australia , New Zealand I wouldn't take my family to an Arab country .

Why aren't other Arab countries offering them a home.

A friend of mines wife and sister have had issuse with some muslims on the way to work, his sister repeatedly verbally abused until some locals stepped in.

They dont do themselves any favours we have enough a55holrs of our own without importing others

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: 3danimator2014

We agree on a lot of things but what I want to know is why they migrate north & west ?

If the UK was under the same conditions as Syria etc I would head to the USA, Canada, Australia , New Zealand I wouldn't take my family to an Arab country .

Why aren't other Arab countries offering them a home.

A friend of mines wife and sister have had issuse with some muslims on the way to work, his sister repeatedly verbally abused until some locals stepped in.

They dont do themselves any favours we have enough a55holrs of our own without importing others

I won't make excuses for most of the Arab countries, I'm from Lebanon originally and they have taken in more than their lot. As for the rest...they are ass*holes. The ruling families that is. I have no love or admiration or anything remotely positive to Say about the house of Saud or the Emiratis etc...

The general populace of the Middle East, I KNOW, are good, hard working, and generous to a fault (seriously, it can be annoying)

I have many many Muslim and Arab friends and have grown up with them in Riyadh and London (last 31 years...10 in Saudi). I live in Holloway in north london surrounded by amazingly friendly and wonderful Muslims. We all mingle and work together with no problems.

I'm atheist myself (Christian family) and loathe all religions. I can see why Islam deserves more derision than others, but and this is a big but...we must not lump all Muslims together!

I see Islam as the biggest threat to world peace right now. I'm not blind. I'm not stupid. I also 100% agree that open borders are not wise. We need to vett people properly. But there needs to be balance in the discussion. And threads like this do absolutely nothing but spread hatred and division.

As for the ones abusing your friends family members...disgusting. Vile behaviour. The should be arrested. But in 30 years of living in north london and frequenting East london with my girlfriends and wife I've never seen shocking behaviour like this. Am I lucky and you are unlucky ?

Please understand I make ZERO excuses for the pieces of dirt harassing your friends.

originally posted by: GodEmperor
There is only one thing the left finds disgusting, and that is a sense of national pride and security..

Banned. Sorry, truth will not be tolerated on ATS.

a reply to: TrueBrit

That's your response to my post? If that's the case, then you agree with the Islamic "migrants."

And no, the founding fathers would be using any means necessary to defeat the enemies of our country.

They would be taking up arms to oust our current sitting government, and absolutely would NOT support droves of fighting aged enemies of everything American to take our country over.

Seeing as how you had such strong words for me, answer the question. How many of your own people would you sacrifice to help migrants? How many family members would you give up to help them?

originally posted by: Winstonian
a reply to: TrueBrit

That's your response to my post? If that's the case, then you agree with the Islamic "migrants."

And no, the founding fathers would be using any means necessary to defeat the enemies of our country.

They would be taking up arms to oust our current sitting government, and absolutely would NOT support droves of fighting aged enemies of everything American to take our country over.

Seeing as how you had such strong words for me, answer the question. How many of your own people would you sacrifice to help migrants? How many family members would you give up to help them?

"Freedom of religion"

What do you not understand about this phrase?

Founding fathers words, not mine.

originally posted by: everyone
a reply to: Pandaram

This is what german politics says in response

frontpage.fok.nl...

-Martin Schulz

'wat de vluchtelingen ons land brengen meer waard is dan goud'

Translation: "What these refugees bring to our country is worth more then gold"

Or this

Duitse media en politici geven ondertussen extreemrechts de schuld van de huidige oproer en zeggen dat de moord 'koren op de molen is' voor neonazi's.

Translation: "The german media and politicians are blaming the extreme right for not being ok with the murder, it is food for neonazi's"

So you are a neonazi if you express conern over this. Meanwhile i havent even seen or heard any ACTUAL neonazi group commit murder on them. You would think with all these politicians in defense of these illegitimate refugees that that would reach the news with the greatest ease.

Are they blind?

a reply to: Miracula2


They got that honor killing thing goin on so she is screwed 6 ways from sunday.

Now where are all the feminazi's?

Western men seem more concerned than the women about that oppressive BS.

originally posted by: Miracula2

originally posted by: Miracula2
LE tme explain the whole "keeping to your own" mindset. See there is a command to not marry or be with people who are not of your same as your beliefs)

That's a whole other thread as to what is Christian or not.

My point was in keeping with the thread topic is that freedom of religion produces rapists in the United States. A first world nation with one of the most powerful militaries and a powerful economy. This nation determines were a lot of the rest of the world goes culturally, politically, economically and determines their philosophy and ideology.

And yet we point the finger at Muslims.

Rape is a serious crime in the USA no matter what religion one practices.

Even false claims of rape.

So is extra judicial killings of rapists or victims.

Rape is not culturally accepted in western society.

a reply to: trollz

You are right op.... its about time we stand up. Its about time we stand up to the rape and murder at the hands of the united states government. No longer will the world stand by and watch independent nations beheaded and overthrown by the us...


Death to the usa.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

How many "ones" does it take?... You know, I bet there is one woman in Saudi Arabia that is also raped and murdered because of the mentality about women over there.... But i guess "it's just one"... According to your logic...

BTW, we are talking about PEOPLE who are being raped and or murdered not just a number.

The sexual assaults, robberies, and attempts to rape event on New Years Eve in SEVERAL German cities was also just "one"? huh Hazardous?...

a reply to: LordAhriman

Freedom of religion, not freedom to rape, murder, suicide bomb, shoot up gay nightclubs, and work against all things constitutional.

I believe in treating people equally, regardless of what they are.

Islam does NOT believe in treating people equally. They can keep there oppression in their country, but I will stand against it in mine.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

make it more clear next time, maybe?