Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: StrangeCottageCheese

I have seen some very "scary" "possessions" in my time.. including one that happened to me 35 years ago.

I watched a non-christian "medium" get "possessed". She tried to jump off a balcony.
I helped her for a few minutes, and that issue was resolved. A few minutes after that,
a non-christian "magician" got "possessed". He kept babbling in non-human language
(could have been rubbish) and talking about how "all power was now his!". I helped him
for a few minutes, and he was fine. Then of all things, a parrot that I'd never seen talk
(but obviously parrots talk) was telling us that we would spend all eternity in hell and
burn, etc. So I spent a few minutes on the parrot and he was fine.

(i'm not a christian, Iv'e always been a "failed shaman").

Well, as part of an earlier incident, I did a very dangerous "shamanic procedure" to
assist around 10,000 people. Unfortunately I didn't do it right, so, yes, I too was
possessed.. for about 18 hours. And as I had "done a very firm invitation", I was really
hosed for those 18 hours. I could only stand for those 18 hours or so, doing nothing,
and refuse to perform any physical actions. It's all that I could do. I was not so
educated 35 years ago as now.

I've seen many other examples, most of which were resolved, unless the person in
question was adamant that they wanted to be "possessed".

But that whole (silly) name of jesus thing never came up, other than the few people
I knew who tried that, generally had negative outcomes. (it might appear to work,
but it didn't actually work).

Frankly, I've not dealt with any of this for maybe 10-15 years now, and i don't
seek out this sort of thing. I think it's generally an unhealthy thing to put oneself
into such a silly situation, by giving "unintentional permissions" or even worse,
"intentional".

Kev

a reply to: ultimafule

Very interesting! Have you made a thread about your experience? If not, please do 😊

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think I've taken my lack of physics understanding for granted. I watched the interview conducted by Neil DeGrasse-Tyson with the theoretical physist who claimed to have found the error correcting code within his calculations for ST. I understood that he'd keep the evidence secret until he finished his paper but in this game evidence is the most critical element.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I used to see a swirling wave like smoke in the middle of my attic bedroom off and on in 1990, very strange it was and one night my mate slept over so I put a mattress down for him and he said the next day he woke up in the middle of the night with this strange smoke above him.

a reply to: 808Funk

Interesting, but that's not enough information to say much!

a reply to: Kalixi

Indeed.

But since either the Phenomenon is actively avoiding being understood or it's just so out there, even more baffling than comprehending quantum weirdness, it's in woeful short supply. So we resort to accumulating observations and making crazy theories.

Now String Theory and derivatives are not much better. Most physicists I know don't want to admit it, but consider ST a complete waste of time.

Thanks for the update on the lack of evidence.

Kev

a reply to: ultimafule

Somewhat OT, but have you ever hurt yourself during the practice of metaphysical practices?
Have you ever sparked an out of control, autonomous process such as so-called Kundalini?

IMHO other than deception and misidentifiations, "UFOs" are often occult phenomenon,
and the rabid believers are really being unwitting occultists.

So this aspect is not actually OT.

Kev

originally posted by: Kalixi
a reply to: ultimafule

Very interesting! Have you made a thread about your experience? If not, please do 😊

Having trouble keeping up with posts and replies. Which experience?

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ultimafule

Somewhat OT, but have you ever hurt yourself during the practice of metaphysical practices?
Have you ever sparked an out of control, autonomous process such as so-called Kundalini?

IMHO other than deception and misidentifiations, "UFOs" are often occult phenomenon,
and the rabid believers are really being unwitting occultists.

So this aspect is not actually OT.

Kev

No, I can't say that I have. Sometimes, I'll be doing Microcosmic Orbit after sex and the energy gets really intense, but I always stop at that point.

I have had some very - interesting - experiences lately that has lead me to explore voodoo. Basically, I could feel "something" (no-thing may be more accurate) coming over me while watching a voodoo ceremony on the internet. The ego-self melted away. It was kind of pleasurable. I wanted to go with it, but being alone, I was worried I'd thrash around and hurt myself or something. Besides, I figured I wouldn't remember anything anyways. The second time it happened, I had psychic abilities and super intuition. If I wasn't driving, I'm sure I would've been able to offer great advice to anyone in need of guidance or whatever. I've been given some instructions on how to open a star gate or a portal into and through the Abyss/Da'ath/Sirius. I know. It sounds crazy to me too!

a reply to: ultimafule

Ok, there you stepped into the deep subjective end.

I've been avoiding that part for years.

Kev

I'm on the 100% human technology & misidentification.

If it looked like rivets, then it was probably because it had rivets.

I think average people underestimate the capability and unusual nature of advanced human technology. I further believe that some 'high-strangeness' events and perceptions lead some to erroneously believe in "interdimensional" explanations, that word h is nothing but the modern day translation of 'magical manifestations of the gods' as it has no categorization or falsifiability.

Rather the high-strangeness is an effect of physical environmental alterations on brains, either as a side effect of propulsion, or even as part of intentional 'cognitive stealth' technology. Electromagnetic or acoustically induced hallucination/misperception.

The descriptions of 'transformations' could well be intentional products of the mixture of taking advantage of human visual perceptual flaws (now scientifically known) with technology for optical stealth, unusual emissions from plasma or cerenkov effects, and if you want to suppose very advanced physics, gravitational lensing.

a reply to: mbkennel

How can one see rivets clearly if they are more than 2.9 miles (the horizon) away.

Unless you are postulating that each rivet was the size of a 747, then kept getting smaller until the "object" was straight overhead? Then expanded back to 747 size as it approached the other horizon?

Give me "magic" it is more logical than that.

Fyi, i do not promote any sory of Extradimensional hypothesis. Its a lazy hypothesis overall.

But ETH and BPH are also terrible.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

No but witnessing it was good.
I think 99% stuff is crap as well.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ultimafule

Ok, there you stepped into the deep subjective end.

I've been avoiding that part for years.

Kev

Oh, I know. But it seems like the logical progression from what I said earlier about how the phenomenon operates and interacts, at least, if one wishes to engage. If we take the idea that the experience is largely subjective and "filtered" through the beliefs and expectations of the subject, then we can engineer our filters in order to begin to approach some sort of potentially meaningful dialogue.

How can one be fooled if one knows the lie? If "lies" are par for the discourse...

a reply to: ultimafule

I can't argue that.

That's what a magician would say.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

originally posted by: surnamename57
a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Physical is something related to the body as opposed to the mind. God is something related to the mind as opposed to the body. Plain and simple.

Physical God is the primitive idea of God - God of trees, lighting, winds, storm etc. or other univers phenomena.

I'm sorry. I can't work with any of those definitions and do justice to the subject.

In my view, it makes little sense to even use the word "God", yet on the other hand, I do acknowledge that due to possible defects or influences in how we evolved, we do tend to anthropomorphize nearly everything.

That said, at the end of the day, if I were pressed to answer in a primitive manner, I would say that "god" is the primary set of the laws of physics above the level of the many Universes which pop into and out of existence, and that yes, indeed, in some manner of speaking, there is sentience baked into the very root of things.

That's my logical/physics hat.

My "failed shaman hat" would respond differently, but, it would be pointless for me to respond from that frame of reference, to anyone but another "failed or not so failed shaman" or a similar person.

Of course i do talk about such topics as "god" in a fast and loose manner sometimes, like most anyone..
when I'm not attempting any great accuracy.

Kev

As I understand it, intelligence is the highest point or the culmination of development of living things. It's a non plus ultra.

If we translate it into physical terms, it would be a “visually perceived radiant energy” or light. If you refer to God as an intelligent entity, it is our mind that created it. If you refer to God as light, you are wasting away in a dead world.

As a side note, I don't believe in hypothetical entities that possess intelligence far surpassing that of the brightest human minds. Intelligence is intelligence, just like light is light.

I forgot to tell you that I am not an English native speaker and I suffer a lot when I try to formulate my thoughts into English.

a reply to: surnamename57

We don't seem to be connecting on this topic, sorry.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: surnamename57

We don't seem to be connecting on this topic, sorry.

I was expecting a counter argument, but anyway.

a reply to: surnamename57

I am not accepting your definitions, so no argument is possible.
Don't feel bad; I'm really annoying with some topics, as I don't accept
the language or presuppositions or other cultural baggage.

Kev

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: surnamename57

I am not accepting your definitions, so no argument is possible.
Don't feel bad; I'm really annoying with some topics, as I don't accept
the language or presuppositions or other cultural baggage.

Kev

What is that? American exeptianialism? Don't we live in the same planet?

oh, I forgot. Shamanism? Asia? I come from Europe.