Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

a reply to: angeldoll

It's not that simple...but maybe they do sometimes.

I watched a possessed parrot brutally attack a person once, while discussing private details about the person, possibly in latin.

But i know that I would be bored silly.

Also im not certain the interface between that form of life and ours has evolved that well yet.

And overall, I'd say that each human is more like one central processing unit in an ocean of them.

It's doubtful that most people would even notice the presence of a "soul rider" to use an analogy.

Kev

a reply to: ColdWisdom

Sure....in principle.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Really?

Come on now, surely you've seen Dr. Vallee's lecture on the Physics of Information.

I can't seem to find the Youtube link, it appears to have been taken down.

edit: I'm going to elaborate on this theory in greater detail later. Just thought I'd throw it in there to see if it resonated with any of the current discussions.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for the very sweet response, but honestly it wasn't intended to be the "exact same debate".

It was meant to be a question to you about 'defining' "good" as opposed to 'not' good/bad - based on the comment I had replied to where you said there are some "good ones"...

Also, re: this -

a reply to: lostgirl

Nobody and nothing would dream of interfering with our collective free will.

Kev

Don't you think our free will has already been 'interfered' with?

How many people do you know who aren't either totally brainwashed (sheeple) or suffering some degree of 'insanity'?

I would be very surprised if there were even 5 percent of the human "collective" which has managed to retain genuine free will...

...All I'm saying is that given the growing 'lack' of 'true' free will in humanity as a whole - it sure seems like we might be dealing with something a bit more (dare I say?) 'sinister' than 'symbiotic' life forms.

I mean, doesn't it seem a bit 'unnatural' to you that human beings are the only 'creatures' that abuse and murder their young?

(Granted some species kill their young, but that is a 'survival of the fittest' thing - it doesn't equate to what goes on with 'insane' humans)

Sorry, I don't mean to derail...
...I'm just trying to explain this as an 'evolutionary' perspective, because it is something 'new' that occurred to me and I would like to know if you see it too -

- i.e. that from a 'naturalistic' (not spiritual) point of view, it really looks as if 'something' has spent the last thousand or so years purposely driving the human race insane...
...and why would a 'symbiote' want to do that, when the ultimate result (due to our insanely destroying our 'habitat') will be humankind's extinction?

I have had numerous encounters of varying degrees, so has an air man family member.

What I can tell you I'd that nothing seen on or around the earth are aliens from other planets.

Most of the sightings, including triangles are military.

The spherical or diamond type sightings are just from other entities that live on earth, non human.

They have been here a very long time, they predate modern humans.

I did not read this thread yet so unsure if this point has been introduced...
From experience this is what i have come to believe is true about some of these craft...
Some ufo's are actually sentient beings a merger of technology and artificial intelligence built upon a knowledge base which supersedes that of all mankind...
This fact causes them to be a viable entity with incredible abilities...
Such as vibrating humans to greater levels of being enabling viewing and telepathic comunication with that from beyond our own dimension...
In other words they can control reality or remove the veil if you will...

a reply to: lostgirl

The problem is that each human is a "cell" in a giant space brain (in a manner of speaking im not getting all matrix here).

And the "other" lives on a different time-scale.

What is "evil" to us, is not even a blip on the radar for other life forms.

What is unbearable for a lifetime, does not even register on another scale.

Planets and species (and Universes) bubble up and fade away.

It's up to us...the little lives on this tiny scale to "do something positive" if we wish to do do.

Everyone waves their fist at the Universe.

I sympsthise.

Someday perhaps, little life forms will wave their fist at us...and we will do nothing..its how it generally works.

Fyi, the fatty liver in my body "yells at me" all the time and no doubt feels "the larger life does not care".

Unfortunately that fatty liver is mostly correct. I don't have time to pander to it excessively.

Kev

a reply to: ColdWisdom

In principle means i agree with you in some form.

That is not "bad"

Kev

a reply to: lostgirl

"Life on all levels is "divinely" selfish and self-obsessed".

By the way....your posting quality has improved over the years! G/J!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for the kind words about my "posting quality".

I get what you're saying about "Life on all levels", but doesn't that beg the question -

- What happens to "the larger life" of 'you' if the cells in your "fatty liver" succumb to 'extinction'?

-----you don't have to reply - I don't want to continue off topic.

a reply to: lostgirl

Death. A very common and acceptable part of life.
But yes...let's get back on topic.

originally posted by: ultimafule
I seem to recall following a thread a while back where you talked about chakras before. IIRC, you see them as parasites. My current model states that being major interface points between the physical and astral bodies, they are conduits for the flow of energy between these two "worlds" (astral and material). Considering this, it would make sense that astral low-lifes would congregate on these vortices of energy. I don't think the chakras themselves are parasitic though. It seems like a huge coincidence that the chakras/meridians correspond with major organs, glands and the lymphatic system. All the work I've done related to these have been very potent and successful. I'd love to hear your thoughts.

Being a magician, I'm super anal about words and meaning. When someone says, "I'm not religious, but spiritual" I always want to ask them, "Oh, so what spirits do you work with?" Of course, they only mean it in a vaguely humanist or New-Agey, feel-good way. I'm into individual growth and the evolution and expansion of individual consciousness and awareness. Lately, my work in this has brought me to consort with "spirits". So far, it's been a mind-blowing and fascinating learning experience.

And you are absolutely spot-on about the "good" ones. VERY subtle. Usually. I only say that with reservations because I feel like I missed a major opportunity to contact them directly and in hindsight, it was not so subtle at all. But there are exceptions to every thing, right? Seems to me that they'll only make themselves known if you REALLY want it and the time is right. Even then, you might not be ready for it.

Really great post and to the last paragraph and thought; be careful what you wish for.

I agree that even before my experience real or projected, and although not terrifying in any way, I could see how my personality type could "attract" these potentials.

What concerns me most is the folly of man's arrogance. The moment I was sure I was communicating with benevolence, the truth most likely would be contrary.

a reply to: fromtheskydown


I initially thought maybe your friends felt guilty too. The few hour missing time hasn't been explained however. So I believe that you were singled out like I was.

70s too

May I ask where you lived at the time?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I totally wasn't going to reply to this thread at all, but as I was walking and thinking about all the things I WOULD say to you if I hadn't already firmly decided NOT to reply...

My thoughts jumped the groove in my mental record player from a few of my own experiences where the dead silence was present.

To, thinking to myself, if they only knew about the other experiences. The ones where it's so LOUD the sound assaults you, pummeling you from every direction, making you wonder why the building you're inside isn't raining sheet rock onto you while the foundation gives way and turns into dust beneath your feet!

Needless to say this second type of experiences are anything but silent, but instead terrifying and usually with some sort of "violence" component to the experience.... Though, not always violence towards you personally.

One other thing I've noticed, is the initial experience involves multiple people.

But, forever after, if any of those people are alone and start thinking too hard about the experience(s) it can trigger a quickly ramping in severity solo experience!

I actually had to force myself as I was walking and thinking to stop thinking about those experiences because I felt, heard, and began experiencing the "rumble" and the shaking that's there but not with the volume and magnitude ramping up fast!

Not only that but as I've been typing this I've had to stop several times, clamp down hard on the thoughts, and focus on my breathing several times... Yet still, with all the ways I've developed to deal with whatever it is I'm still finishing this comment in bursts with my back against a wall and fight or flight reflexes ramping up and down between breaks from typing.

Any idea what that is?

Because it's extremely unpleasant and very perplexing since I'm not what you'd call a believer in any of this!

At best I'm an acknowledged that there's some thing or things that explain why humans experience this stuff, and that they do in fact experience it.

a reply to: ColdWisdom

This one?



Your post made me think of the MVC model.

If you look at that model (with imo consiousness being the user), that could be an abstract representation of what JV means with the 'control loop'.

To me it seems it all revolves around energy and how to preserve or obtain it. Information could consist out of energy (state based), but could also mean potential energy.

But I'm just theorising here.

Btw Kev, I'm steering away from some of the things being posted here (for now?). It makes me go crazy (and I'm saying this with utmost respect). Let's just say I'm interested in what you call the level 1 deception and the 'existential' part of the phenomena. All the rest in between ... not so much.

But that doesn't mean the essence of certain systems/concepts remain valid and food for thought (in stead of food for ... ).

For that part I'll stick around, partly because I do feel there's a lot to learn and partly because I like to philosophize and expand my view.

a reply to: KTemplar

Near Manchester, England.

I never really give this experience much thought, it does surface now and again...especially if I read of something along similar lines. A few years before that happened, as I walked home from the local library, a guy in a car tried to get me into it by offering me a lift. I told him I only lived across the road but he still insisted that I should get in the car. I ran away, turning around after a few seconds only for there to be no car in sight. The car was pointing in the direction I was heading...the man himself was normal, wearing a hat and had a thin moustache, quite angular in his face.

I never told my parents because I was scared.
I was about ten or eleven years old at the time.

a reply to: zeroPointOneQ

That's fine.

It would not be inaccurate to say that anything capable of being perceived is deception (an incomplete and temporary part of the whole).

Just be honest and realize that makes you a conscious and practicing magician too.

Understanding about magicians, strangely enough is the only thing worth knowing.

It's really just Godels Incompleteness theorem you know.

Understanding that this truth also applies to "your" body/mind/soul/spirit leads to the "first death" and frees you from the so-called "control loop".

Some people call it "enlightenment", but that is just a trap of the "control loop".

I've really given people the very best that i have...but people don't want that sort of thing..they want angels, demons and little green men.

Kev

a reply to: roguetechie

Thank you for sharing that.

It would be worthwhile to deconstruct your experiences sometime, to see if clues
could be obtained. But you are a bit fragile perhaps? If so, then that would be
contra-indicated. Keeping away from "that stuff" when one is damaged from it,
is a really good idea.

Take care,

Kevin

congrulations! kelly you just became one of my best friends thanks for showing ats what the humanoids really are

a reply to: humanoidlord

Thanks.

But why don't you elaborate with your own thoughts?

Kev