Generally Overlooked (but Critical Clues) about "UFOs" - Part I

This post is really for A.C. and for others who don't like my use of (abuse of) "".

The problem with words is that they are wrong. The best that one can do is to circle around certain ineffable concepts, but anything you write is of necessity incomplete.

It is so easy to delude oneself and others, once one draws incomplete conclusions and then lets our pariedolic brains fill in the wrong blanks.

The best one can do is to point...but using "" is a bit lazy and deceptive in its own way.

For example, i know exactly what the so-called control loop is. But it would take a lot of words to describe and I'd lose my audience by the end of the first page.

I need to write that@!#!×÷= book.

Then i can retire with a fully clear conscience.

Kev

a reply to: lostgirl

Here's my current hypothesis about the "good" ones. They are here to guide the evolution of our consciousness. In short, they are here to enlighten us. However, enlightenment cannot just be handed over to someone on a plate. If this were possible, we'd be having a totally different conversation right now. There's also a sort of Star Trek-ish Prime Directive of non-interference, which actually goes hand in hand with the way enlightenment works. The best they can do is drop subtle clues and hints and orchestrate events that allows our free will to make the choice to become more self-actualized and less ego-driven.

You don't teach a species to be independent and free thinking by intervening every step of the way. This would only further reinforce our already self-destructive dependence on authority figures and leaders. No one is going to save us except for ourselves. The process is the product/the journey is the destination.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Your 'It' sounds like a God. Is it a kind of revelation?

a reply to: surnamename57

Nope. It's actually physics.
But people do tend to confuse the two.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Ok. In that case, is it a physical God? I'm not giving up 😃.

Don't get me wrong - I'm a methodic doubter and I have my experience too. However, I don't think your interpretation applies to all cases, at least not to mine.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
This post is really for A.C. and for others who don't like my use of (abuse of) "".

The problem with words is that they are wrong. The best that one can do is to circle around certain ineffable concepts, but anything you write is of necessity incomplete.

It is so easy to delude oneself and others, once one draws incomplete conclusions and then lets our pariedolic brains fill in the wrong blanks.

The best one can do is to point...but using "" is a bit lazy and deceptive in its own way.

For example, i know exactly what the so-called control loop is. But it would take a lot of words to describe and I'd lose my audience by the end of the first page.

I need to write that@!#!×÷= book.

Then i can retire with a fully clear conscience.

Kev

Agreed with all of the above. "The Tao that can be spoken or written is not the Tao." That quote may be taking it a bit deeper than you intended, but it gets the gist of it.

It's simply the nature of the beast to be so elusive, from our POV. In a way, it's very hard for them not to come to us in the form we think they should take. One could say we are just as complicit in the deception as they are. Their experience of reality is vastly different from ours which makes communication - weird. My studies in occultism echo as much. The clever monkey-brain loves labels, words, categories, etc, and this is where most of us spend our time - in our heads. The body with its non-linear, intuitive, holistic sensory organs are better equipped to deal with the things we're discussing here. The head still plays its role of course, but it seems that there's an imbalance in these times.

There are also "spirits" or whatever you want to call them that are largely indifferent. They are here to perform specific duties not directly related to our topic. It could be that some of the encounters are emergency preventative measures or a part of the acceleration of our expanding awareness. If they seem "cold" to us, it's only because they weren't programmed to be that way. Nature is efficient. I'm thinking of the relationship between shamanic initiation and alien abduction. In both we tend to see some kind of surgery performed. Aliens implant so-called monitoring or tracking devices. Abductees often gain new skills or abilities like clairvoyance or healing and will quit their cushy engineering job to start studying yoga or something. Some shamanic initiations involve being taken away to a cave by the spirits where they insert a magic crystal or stone into the body. It serves as a magickal link between the shaman and spirit world, the source of the shaman's power.

Now adding to the already somewhat complicated scenario, we have the very real possibility of shady human groups impersonating these events for their own apparently nefarious reasons. The key seems to be balancing the head with the body and finding a set of metaphors that resonates with the individual in order to build up the experience and vocabulary capable of discerning what's what. For me, the ideas in various occult traditions are ripe with rich and useful metaphors. If we understand our relationship with these guise and how they operate, then we have a workable means of communing/communicating with them. It gives us knowledge to identify them and how to deal with them. It's actually a lot easier than most would think, and like you said before, KPB, a LOT of people are doing it all the time without even knowing it. A LOT of the "darker" encounters come from entities that have sprung directly from the minds and hearts and other places of earth-born humans.

The world is a very strange place! Plenty of mystery and adventure to be had if you know where to look.

a reply to: surnamename57

Define physical and define God.

Kev

a reply to: ultimafule

I agree with that post 100%.

This is the first time I've written those words on ATS.

That said, those words barely scratch the surface as you know.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Physical is something related to the body as opposed to the mind. God is something related to the mind as opposed to the body. Plain and simple.

Physical God is the primitive idea of God - God of trees, lighting, winds, storm etc. or other univers phenomena.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: surnamename57

Define physical and define God.

Kev

I don't believe in the existence of sentient free floating plasma orb entities in our universe. Plasma shrouded starships perhaps? Yes... it is a good possibility that some starships are surrounded by magnetically contained plasma --- Used as a source of fuel for the starship in places that lack starlight photons for the photon propulsion unit.

Based on my on photographical evidence...I believe that at least one of the star traveler alien races that occasionally visit our planet, are highly intelligent bipedal dinosauroid humanoids; with three fingered hands and three toed feet. And yes...they are my Gaods.

originally posted by: fromtheskydown
a reply to: KTemplar

Near Manchester, England.

I never really give this experience much thought, it does surface now and again...especially if I read of something along similar lines. A few years before that happened, as I walked home from the local library, a guy in a car tried to get me into it by offering me a lift. I told him I only lived across the road but he still insisted that I should get in the car. I ran away, turning around after a few seconds only for there to be no car in sight. The car was pointing in the direction I was heading...the man himself was normal, wearing a hat and had a thin moustache, quite angular in his face.

I never told my parents because I was scared.
I was about ten or eleven years old at the time.

Thank you for replying. That is scary about the man in the car. I had a man in a car experience, but he was a real bad guy. By the grace of god I got away

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

As always great stuff.

Just a few things where my current status of stacks collides with yours:

1. Information is the oldest fabric of the universe, back then before the big bang happened there already was singularity and that is matter- and consciousness-less information. As I see it consciousness could have been formed before matter did which would imply it expanded and expands with atoms and stuff through the universe already containing lifeforms.
As potential, maybe but still existing. Point is it is older than us much older than us. Needs us a host is... wishful thinking.

2. There might very well be nuts and bolts crafts, lots of sightings leave behind metall relicts, then there is Roswell and other stories where military seems to have scavenged huge bits. NASA paintbrushing stuff before showing it to the public etc. nuts and bolts is not off the table.

3. Vallée himself was getting into the UFO business because he witnessed a retrograde satellite. He also stated more than once that he himself has metallic relicts. (Heard him say so on C2C) So to verify this "it is all just parasites/symbiotees playing tricks on our minds" with him doesn't work.
Besides he could be part of the disinformation campaign since he created this control-loop-meme which has gotten very powerful and he knows people who know, are experts on, distractions and smoke&mirrors.
I like him, I don't buy blindly.
If I would have to imagine a why, I would say because there is a certain galactic law forbidding them to interfere with civilisations unaware of their existence. Protecting us from occupation as long as less than 50% know.

4. It's obvious that it's more than one phenomenon. Cooperation between biological ET and informational aliens, possibly terrestrial in origin. Maybe, but still that wouldn't be surprising because to figure out long distance spacetravel you got to know what spacetime is made of we don't, they would have to. Which means they can detect our invisible co-earthlings, we're mostly unaware of.

We are all guilty to make our own experience the measure of reality but we are all equally prone to pick just what confirms our bias and neglect what challenges it.
So I believe it is much more complicated. More parties, misunderstood consciousness and technology beyond our comprehension. I couldn't rule anything out and I absolutely disagree with everyone saying they know.
Vallée doesn't know, I don't know, you don't know, BASSPLYR doesn't know, mirageman doesn't know, NASA doesn't know,...

Ive been reading up on Simulation Theory - that our planet and the Universe are merely a simuation in a Super Computer.

With computer code, theoretically a UAP could just appear and disappear be impossibly silent etc. These images could even be directly uploaded into our brains for whatever reason.

We're less than 10 years from cracking the Simulation Theory, a theoretical physicist in the US has already uncovered error correcting code within his equation for String Theory. Once we crack it I reckon our Maker or ETs will disclose themselves. Maybe they periodically show themselves and their craft to keep us curious and searching for them

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

the humanoids are actually a slang to a very bizzare phenomena that defy explanation
as i have already said in a nother thread my beliefs i will quote it:

how many times i have to say they arent are aliens? most probable explanations: 1: unknow phisickosys 2: interdimensional beings 3:distortion theory(caravaca102.blogspot.com.br...) 4:tulpas aliens dont use michelin men costumes aliens dont steal pies aliens dont ask for fertilizer etc i could go on and on

a reply to: humanoidlord

the link is this one: caravaca102.blogspot.com.br...
its one hell of a moutfull but very interesting

a reply to: Peeple

Interesting thoughts on this sentient energy/symbiosis theory from Kev. I don't think there is one overriding answer either. It's almost certainly a number of things and probably some we are incapable of comprehending.

..... Vallée doesn't know, I don't know, you don't know, BASSPLYR doesn't know, mirageman doesn't know,

Yes indeed.

a reply to: mirageman

To some degree its 5 blind men and an elephant, this is true.

Kev

a reply to: humanoidlord

Yup. I see that we agree quite a bit, based upon that list.

Kev

a reply to: Kalixi

There is no consensus on that error correcting code claim. In fact there is very little consensus that string theory will ammount to much.

Im not being negative or confrontational, mind you.

Maybe things will change in the near future.

Kev