Ladies; Get Your Birth Control NOW While You Still Can

a reply to: bill3969

No. All human beings have a right to life, their own life. As soon as it is a life, it has a right to it.

The question is where that line comes in.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

not knowing with any exactitude when a clump of cells becomes a human being.

We know that clump of cells has to develop enough to have the necessary neurological functioning since it's the brain producing our consciousness. Exact? We are getting there. Our knowledge in neuroscience is not so undeveloped that the guess of a religious person as to when the fetus becomes a 'human being' would be equal to that of our scientific knowledge.

a reply to: Helious

Lol. Sounds so nice and noble. Just as long as its white babies huh? But you don't mind paying for the bombing of other babies out of their cribs.

a reply to: Helious

That was the problem in a Liberal controled America, nobody liked to call out obvious hypocrisy because it was insensitive, politicaly incorrect and alerted social justice warriors but ummmm, we are trying to make America great again so get a job and buy your birth control.

Amen. With each right, comes it's own responsibility. If you want the right to have sex whenever, however you want, then you have the responsibility for the consequences of your action. I do not have a responsibility to pay for your mistakes without the ability to control your behavior. Which one do you want?

You don't need Planned Parenthood to get birth control or any other women's health care.
There are doctors who are not Planned Parenthood.

Trump never said anything about banning birth control.

Sheesh.

Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood.

She wanted to "exterminate" blacks and was an advocate of late-term abortions and forced sterilization. Planned Parenthood was created by Sanger for the purpose of killing black babies and the poor or undesirables. She believed in eugenics.

Interesting that Clinton also supports late-term abortions. Hillary even won the Margaret Sanger award.

Planned Parenthood is the biggest scam that was forced on the poor and uninformed.
If you want women's health care - go to a regular doctor.

originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
a reply to: MotherMayEye

So sick of being held hostage by Roe v Wade and my 'lady parts.'

How is the right to choose holding you hostage?

I'm missing something I suppose.

Yes, you are.

These two parties did not fill Scalia's spot specifically for the reason of holding the women-vote hostage. That much is obvious.

If Obama doesn't bust his ass to nominate someone who will be confirmed, before he leaves office -- oh, well. I am tired of having my vote held hostage.

a reply to: Helious

Employees do pay for their insurance along with their employer.

Both employee and employer pay into health insurance. The Health Insurance Provider chooses what they want to cover and at what prices.

The employer can choose a different provider if they don't like the contract but they can't tell them how to run their business. They either choose to go with them or not.

originally posted by: bill3969
a reply to: mOjOm
I hope yo don't mind me stirring up the conversation a little. I am surprised more people didn't take the bait. I think the answer is very simple. All rights are derived from property rights. You just need to determine when the fetus/baby owns itself. Some would say at birth, others at conception. I personally think somewhere in the middle somewhere. Not sure exactly when.

I don't know. Parents still get in trouble for what their children do sometimes up until they're 18 right??? Sounds like children are property of their parents for much longer than birth.

a reply to: windword


Regarding planned parenthood, abortions and std's . It has been known by the World Health Organisation countries in south east Asia for the past couple of decades. That where Lemon juice is used as a contraceptive, the spread of HIV and Std's is virtually nil . The tests show that it immobilises sperm, and kills pathogens, that cause Std's. without damaging any bodily tissue. The way its used is that a squeeze of lemon juice is, placed on a small piece of cotton wool and inserted, prior to intercourse. Since the use of condoms was virtually nil, it came as a surprise when this method of contraception was found out by the interested parties. news.bbc.co.uk...

a reply to: ketsuko

You can obtain an abortion in pretty much every state and could prior to Obamacare.

Sigh.

We are talking about what it would be like getting an abortion should Trump's want of overturning Roe V. Wade come to pass. All the states there after that would partially or fully ban it. That's the context.

So now, how easy is it for women to get abortions. Will depend on the state. I already illustrated my reasons for why I think many states would ban.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Helious

Employees do pay for their insurance along with their employer.

Both employee and employer pay into health insurance. The Health Insurance Provider chooses what they want to cover and at what prices.

The employer can choose a different provider if they don't like the contract but they can't tell them how to run their business. They either choose to go with them or not.

Quite right. However, what is painfully obvious to most Americans is that birth control is not a "health" issue. Before government mandated healthcare you would be hard pressed to find it covered because of that very basic fact

What should happen is that employers who offer insurance should let insurance providers decide if that is something they cover or not and then you as a potential employee can inquire of them if it is important to you.

If they say no and it's a deal breaker, you decline the position and move on or you suck it up, take the job and buy a box of condoms.

It's not rocket science, it's called economics in a country that was founded on capitalism.

a reply to: mOjOm

I don't know. Parents still get in trouble for what their children do sometimes up until they're 18 right??? Sounds like children are property of their parents for much longer than birth.

It used to be that Christians could kill their children at any time if they felt they were going to be a threat to society. Muslims still do, it is called "Honor Killing" If the age of the child is the deciding factor, it could be any age. If it is mental development, then we could kill retarded children. If it is physical development, then we could kill deformed children. I have yet to hear a real definition of the beginning of a human being.

a reply to: bill3969

They just passed a law in Idaho allowing parents to let their children die because of religious beliefs.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: windword

This is exactly the sort of ridiculous falsehood that lost you guys what little respect you may have ever had.

It's like saying that the second amendment is defunct because the state won't force my employer to pay for my firearms, exactly.

Absolutely pathetic.

Don't forget the ammo might cost me a little money going to the fire range.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Because in demanding your right to choose, you are forcing the rest of us to go along with what you want.

NO!!! How can you write that and not see the problem with it???

The right to choose goes to everyone. So you can choose what you want to do and I can choose what I want to do.

Here's where you're getting confused though, I can see it already.

You think you're being forced to go along with what I choose, right??? Here's some info that changes that.....YOU aren't part of my life!! So no, you're not being forced to go along with anything. Because we're talking about MY LIFE, NOT YOURS.

Just like when you make choices involving your life. Guess what, that's got nothing to do with me now does it??? NOPE.

Maybe if you'd get your nose out of other people's lives and live your own then you wouldn't feel like you're being made to "go along" with them. Because I'm sure they never asked you to "go along" with them in their life in the first place. You just felt it was your place to go there uninvited.

You choose for you and I choose for me. What you choose as far as your baby making goes doesn't involve me and there is no reason I should be able to tell you what to do is there??? NOPE. Because I wasn't invited in was I??? NOPE.

So you do you and I'll do me in some areas. How is that not fair???

a reply to: ketsuko

Because in demanding your right to choose, you are forcing the rest of us to go along with what you want.

No. It's none of your business. What YOU are actually doing is forcing everyone else to go along with what YOU want. No personal choice on the matter equals forced birthing!

Obamacare mandates that we pay for the abortions and the birth control methods of your choices.

No it doesn't require you to pay for abortion. Do you understand how insurance works? We all pay into a pool. Contraception and your husbands Viagra, your neighbor's diabetes, regardless of his diet and exercise routine, as well as that stranger broken leg from his skiing accident, are all included in that pool that we pay into.

Not to mention, if the child is a human being, you are asking us to go along with your choice to murder another human being.

Abortion is legal and has been for a long time. It has nothing to do with Obama or the ACA. What you're advocating is the constitutional amendment that the GOP proposes, that would make abortion illegal everywhere in the USA, yet mocking me for believing it could happen and being concerned.

a reply to: Helious

I think that is pretty much how it is, only not quite that easy and open.

Employers can exempt themselves from having to provide insurance that covers BC. They had to provide this for Religious Institutions to comply with their Deeply held Beliefs.

Employees, upon hearing that their Employer has exempted themselves from having to provide that can decide to work somewhere else if they want.

Everyone is given a choice. Employers can choose what provider to use. Employees get to choose what employers to work for.

Choices are good!! That's why I'm Pro-Choice. Pro-Choice should be everyone's choice for everything in fact. Nobody wants to have only One choice. Because ONE isn't a choice. ONE is just what you get because there is only one. Everyone should support having more than one choice in all aspects of life. That is the root of the concept of Freedom after all. Some kind of choice.

a reply to: mOjOm
"You choose for you and I choose for me. What you choose as far as your baby making goes doesn't involve me and there is no reason I should be able to tell you what to do is there??? NOPE. Because I wasn't invited in was I??? NOPE."


For the most part I agree with you. I just don't understand how I am paying for it. My insurance bill is not cheap. I could be driving a brand new Corvette if I didn't have to pay that. I never wanted insurance. I sure as hell don't want to pay for someone else's birth control or abortions. If you make the choice to have that problem, then you pay for it. If I pay for it, then I dictate the rules for your sex.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: Helious

Lol. Sounds so nice and noble. Just as long as its white babies huh? But you don't mind paying for the bombing of other babies out of their cribs.

That is unfair and quite frankly rude and obnoxious. Look no further than my previous posts and threads to see my utter disdain and contempt for the American military machine and the havoc it brings word wide.

You are obviously not familiar with my positions on all issues which illistrates quite nicely that one should really stick to the issue on topic. Just sayin.

a reply to: bill3969

Then don't. Fill out the form that says your business/You have a deeply held religious belief against Birth Control and a Third party Insurance Provider that doesn't provide Birth Control can be your provider then.

Tell your employees that your insurance doesn't include Birth Control before you hire them so they can make the choice of whether or not to work for you.

Some people take jobs for the insurance or at least that's a big part of it. Some don't. Personally, I take a job for the money they pay me not for the insurance because I never use it anyway. So I don't care what the insurance covers. But others might.