Ladies; Get Your Birth Control NOW While You Still Can

a reply to: windword

Frankly, as science has advanced so greatly in its strides towards understanding the human body and what makes it tick from A to Z, I don't understand why a birth control pill or even an implant for men hasn't been perfected since so many object to using a condom or various other BC methods. It's way past time for at least HALF of the birth control issue to land squarely and rightfully on their shoulders. WHY should women alone so often bear total responsibility for it? Shouldn't BOTH parties be equally responsible since it takes two to dance this tango? It truly amazes me that it has been such an on going thing for, geez, how many decades now? You'd think men and women both would want to see an end to the abortion issue, and I can't see that happening until the responsibility is shared equally and sincerely...or have I just fallen out of my tree again?!

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Yeah, well people make bad choices all the time. But we let them do it because it's a choice involving them personally and we don't stop them.

Some women make the choice to get tripleM Boobs even though they weigh 125lbs. and will have health issues and all kinds of problems because of it. Hardly responsible of them but we let them do it still.

That's the nature of choosing. If I want to make my own choices in life, both good and bad, then I have to allow others the same.

So unless you want to be told when, how and how many babies you'll be producing in life then you should also allow others to choose those things as you do. Doesn't mean they'll choose the same way you did though.

a reply to: windword

Pregnancy is currently covered under the ACA. Did you know you used to have to get a RIDER for being pregnant and pay out 18 months BEFORE getting pregnant?!? That's how I had to do my first pregnancy. My second was unplanned and turned into an emergency inducement due to my baby needing immediate surgery.

Fun times.

The ACA worked for me, not so much for others. I have the aforementioned very sick child. I'm terrified.

- AB

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: yuppa

Actually prevention of fertilization isnt considered wrong by conservatives.

That's the goal of contraception, but it doesn't always work, therefore the need to make the uterus hostile to implantation.

And, by the way, egg and sperm were alive before fertilization. There is no such thing as a "Life Fairy" that magically bestows life were there once was none.

Umm no without both combining you would not have a human being. teh CELLS are alive but until they merge they are just cells similiar to blood cells. Blood cells are alive too arent they?

a reply to: bill3969

I have yet to hear a real definition of the beginning of a human being.

When the fetus has the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively (Google's definition of sentience).

Isn't that what we mean by it? Look at death instead. The person is no longer 'alive' because that person is no longer sentient. No longer able to feel, to perceive.

So a human fetus becomes a 'human being' when the necessary neurological structures are in place to give rise to consciousness.

a reply to: ketsuko

Ok, but they allowed for Religious Organizations to be exempt from having to provide some services and they can choose a third party provider which doesn't include those things. Like birth control for example.

That wasn't enough though. So Hobby Lobby went to court as we know and won. Then For Profit and Non Profit businesses were also allowed to be exempt too by filling out a form saying their Deeply Held Religious Beliefs said they shouldn't have to pay for some things. At that point even they were allowed an alternative.

It is getting late for me, and I need to go to bed. I have to be up at 4am, so I can work another 10hr day. I do this sometimes 5 days a week, sometimes 7 days a week. 3 days out of the week I am working just to pay my insurance bill. Before the "affordable care act" I only worked 30-40hrs a week total, to make the same money. I hope the damage you have done to my life and my family is worth it to you. I barely see my wife and kids, and feel as if I am at work most of my life now. I had to change jobs to one that had enough work for me to be able to keep up. Forgive me if I really don't care how bad you think you need birth control or abortions. I have 3 alive children who need to eat, and will now not have any money to go to college. Obama will burn in hell for what he has done to families all across America. Socialist/Marxist/Communist systems never work for this reason. NOTHING IS FREE. Someone is always paying for it. It is never the people at the top. Figure it out quick, because there is nobody left to steal from. The system is about to collapse. I will survive, because I will do everything needed to keep my family going. What will you do when the checks stop?

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Lot's of things are sentient and we kill and torture them all the time without any care in the world.

I'm not saying that makes it ok. But if that is your only argument it's not consistent to make a difference.

Also, Just how sentient is a fetus really??? Do you remember anything from when you were a fetus??? Birth itself I'm sure is quite trauma inducing for the child too but it doesn't matter since nobody remembers being born after it's done anyway.

Again, not saying that makes trauma ok as long as you have no memory of it. But it makes for a different kind of argument.

a reply to: windword

With all due respect your entire post, as well as train of thought, is completely born of ignorance. So let me school you a bit and then maybe you'll take your torch and pitchfork where it belongs - the medical establishment.

Not getting pregnant is not a medical issue, simply don't shag and problem solved. And leave out the cunnard of "what about people who are ill" (they get what they need without issue, have and will ). If you want CONVENIENCE to be the driving force for your shagging then deal with it yourself in some way and then no one has to pay for it. BTW, you are free to prevent yourself from getting pregnant without any help from a LARGE CORPORATION SELLING YOU SOMETHING!!!!!!!

Now. The pharma industry sees folks like you as "cash cows." See all they have to do is create a product, then make you desire that product "lemme get me some sex without getting knocked up and make it so I don't even have to think about it!" So, the pill is born.

Now, the pill simply prevents you from getting pregnant, you can shag all you want with or without btw, but it comes AT A COST, it was not created for free and was sold from day one. The problem you and all the others fail to grasp is this: The Medical Establishment made damn sure you'd need to run off to get a doctor's "permission" to get the pill, then they also made sure the cost of the pill was expensive. Why? Profits. Money, Profits. To this day that pill is the cash cow that just keeps giving, oh gimme a piece of that action please!

You want your free to shag without repercussions pill paid for by others, other then you, then take your complaint to the right place. Make the damn pill over the counter! Make them sell them, oh, I don't know, LIKE CONDOMS!!!!!

You're griping is silly, the problem is the doctor, not Trump or hobby lobby or anyone one else. I am amazed how people ignore what is right in front of them. Go to the medical lobby and lobby them to make their EXTREMELY profitable product over the counter and cheap - let me know how far you get. Or you could just keep whining and about insurance and free and premiums and a woman's right to shag without fear of babies being born. ugh.

a reply to: Rubicon3

I don't understand why a birth control pill or even an implant for men hasn't been perfected since so many object to using a condom or various other BC methods.

It's out there. But, women don't trust men to be regular with birth control, as they don't get pregnant. And, in a recent study that found male birth control to be 98% effective, men were dropping out because they couldn't handle the mood swings and acne out breaks! LOL Kinda prove the reason why women are skeptical in trusting men to take a pill daily!

Men Drop Out Of Male Birth Control Study Due To Mood Swings & Acne

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We do not know that at all. The jury on what consciousness entails is still out.

We, as in the 'hard sciences', has overwhelming evidence consciousness arises from the brain. If the jury includes all disciplines of thought then I concede. An all encompassing 'we', particularly among philosophers, has hardly settled on a definitive position.

a reply to: olaru12




Child support payments? DNA testing? Jail for failing to pay!?!? That sounds like a PERFECT
solution. Why has no one ever thought of this before?

Wait... man bad...woman victim. Gotcha.

a reply to: bill3969

Hey, don't blame me for your situation in life. I didn't vote or do anything to effect it. I work too. I just barely survive. I don't even have kids because I can't afford them. My wife works too. I don't see her for days at a time sometimes either because I have to work somewhere else sometimes. That's life. I'm not blaming you for it though.

The way I see it, your 3 kids are taking up the resources I could have used to have 1 kid. Why did you need 3?? Why not just one or two?? Who's greedy now??? Who's supporting who now??? Maybe you shouldn't have such a big family so I could at least have a small one of my own. I could look at it that way but I don't. So why are you???

a reply to: mOjOm

I agree with you. No one should tell a woman what she can and cannot do with the contents of her uterus. Where we might disagree is what is the content of the uterus, and whether we're willing dismiss what's in it as we would a tumor or appendix.

Though I used to, I can no longer see the position of the religious as a war on women (because that is not only untrue but also unfair), but as what they think is the murder of a living being, a living being that should be given rights. It is clear that the best compromise is education, contraception and the scientific advancement of contraception.

Trump's point isn't a war on women, but that the states should decide whether or not some medical procedures will occur in their regions.

originally posted by: ezramullins

Child support payments? DNA testing? Jail for failing to pay!?!? That sounds like a PERFECT
solution. Why has no one ever thought of this before?

Wait... man bad...woman victim. Gotcha.

Sounds like a solution to me. All but the jail time since just wasting away in jail isn't supporting that child any and it removes the chance that they can actually get a job and pay for that kid now.

But as far as being forced to support the kid you created, hell ya!!! Man or Woman, I don't care. If the kid is with the dad, then hell ya the woman should have to pay. It's her damn kid too!! If the kid is in foster care, they both should have to pay. They made it, they should have to support it. So either they support it as the Parents or at the minimum they support it financially while someone else raises it.

originally posted by: bill3969
a reply to: mOjOm
"You choose for you and I choose for me. What you choose as far as your baby making goes doesn't involve me and there is no reason I should be able to tell you what to do is there??? NOPE. Because I wasn't invited in was I??? NOPE."


For the most part I agree with you. I just don't understand how I am paying for it. My insurance bill is not cheap. I could be driving a brand new Corvette if I didn't have to pay that. I never wanted insurance. I sure as hell don't want to pay for someone else's birth control or abortions. If you make the choice to have that problem, then you pay for it. If I pay for it, then I dictate the rules for your sex.

I have to pay for old men's viagra, prostate exams and cancers, which obviously have nothing to do with me either, as a woman.

It is a general pool of money we pay into and receive benefits from, for whatever we need. It's not a vending machine where we only pay for what we purchase.

originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: olaru12




Child support payments? DNA testing? Jail for failing to pay!?!? That sounds like a PERFECT
solution. Why has no one ever thought of this before?

Wait... man bad...woman victim. Gotcha.

Let me know when DNA testing for Sperm Donor is mandatory.

Woman can't hide who the mom is, can she.

But, sperm donor has law to protect him from giving DNA sample. He can just walk away.

a reply to: crankyoldman

Not getting pregnant is not a medical issue

Womanly things, like not getting pregnant are indeed HEALTH issues, and PUBLIC health issues at that.

What you don't seem to understand is that this thread is addressing Donald Trump's promise to defund Planned Parenthood, which services families according to Title X, and to work toward overturning Roe V Wade, taking away a woman's choice.

Now, with a Republican in the Oval office and a Republican majority in both houses, there is a good chance that the GOP platform goal, to create a constitutional Amendment that will eliminate a woman's autonomy and outlaw abortion and most birth control methods, for every woman everywhere in the USA, will happen. I hope not. Which is why I authored this thread. We need to be vigilant and fight for our reproductive rights, or lose them!

They have the manpower, the will and the way to do it.

originally posted by: ezramullins
a reply to: olaru12




Child support payments? DNA testing? Jail for failing to pay!?!? That sounds like a PERFECT
solution. Why has no one ever thought of this before?

Wait... man bad...woman victim. Gotcha.

If you are happy with your cognative short cut, fine, but the way is see it, is taking responsibility for one's own actions.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I totally understand the argument on both sides. I have my own personal opinions too. I think late term abortions should be avoided unless it has to be done. That is a moral issue of my own choosing though and I'm fine that others may not agree. That is what I would choose for myself if I was a woman and was in that situation.

But the point is that I should be able to make that choice. Some might say I waited too long. Some might say I chose way early and could have waited. But who cares what they think. It's about me at that point and I think I should be allowed to make that choice. Therefore I must also allow others to make that same choice for themselves. Even if I didn't agree with their choice. Once again, so what, it's about them and not me at that point. So I can have my opinion, but can't force it on anyone else.

That's how I see it. It comes down to allowing choice. Because it's such a personal issue that effects that person they should have control over it the most.