God Exists, Therefore Leprechauns Exist.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: BlackProject
"Let's imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in Leprechauns. You cannot prove that Leprechauns do not exist, therefore they exist." You actually have heard of Leprechauns. There are lots of books, movies and fairy tales dealing with Leprechauns. People talk about Leprechauns all the time. Leprechauns even have a popular brand of breakfast cereal. That does not mean that Leprechauns exist."

First you declare that Leprechauns exist in literature, movies, thoughts, language...
Then you declare, oddly, that this evidence of Leprechaun existence does not mean that they exist.
You are as confused as any atheist/believer.

That is not evidence. You miss the point.

If I write a book about, oh I do not know lets say a boy called harry potter and his magical wand. If I write enough books and talk about him enough does that make it evidence?

What a joke.

Did I really just read a post basically saying

1) God doesn't exist because we can't prove it
2) God can't exist because of "Disease, war, famine, violence, racism" occurring

What was the end game in this? Lol.

I love how proud you are to be an Atheist yet... you have no evidence to back up your core beliefs.

Atheism - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Hit me with your evidence.

I'll put it like this. You dont believe in GOD. That's your choice. Like the bible says, dont argue with a fool, or you become a fool yourself. I believe in GOD. I know he exists. I have faith. People can argue that the bible was written by man. Yes, it was written by man, in the spirit of the holly spirit. But hey, when everyone dies, and you meet GOD, and someone tells him, wow, now I do believe, and he says go away, for I dont know you, they had the chance.
I would rather believe in something and nothing happen than not believe in nothing, and be sent to hell cause I had the chance to accept a FREE gift, that costs nothing to me. Jesus Christ paid for it all on the cross. He didn't have to, but he did. What it cost for people, nothing.

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Did I really just read a post basically saying

1) God doesn't exist because we can't prove it
2) God can't exist because of "Disease, war, famine, violence, racism" occurring

What was the end game in this? Lol.

I love how proud you are to be an Atheist yet... you have no evidence to back up your core beliefs.

Atheism - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Hit me with your evidence.

Huge HUGE distinction.

Atheist is not a belief, correction. It is nothing more then someone who rejects all the fantasy stories. There is nothing to believe. I am not following any strict rules. I am, me.

This notion of Atheism being a belief haha, thats funny. It helps religious people put others in their same boat I guess. I do not characterise myself as Atheist but my views in life point to Atheism so therefore I am an Atheist. I would just say I support no religion and no god, nothing whatsoever. It is the world that likes to put labels on things.

This conversation about evidence makes no sense. Religion offers no evidence whatsoever, this does not make it plausible just because I cannot deny it. Your defence is funny.

originally posted by: darkuniverse
I'll put it like this. You dont believe in GOD. That's your choice. Like the bible says, dont argue with a fool, or you become a fool yourself. I believe in GOD. I know he exists. I have faith. People can argue that the bible was written by man. Yes, it was written by man, in the spirit of the holly spirit. But hey, when everyone dies, and you meet GOD, and someone tells him, wow, now I do believe, and he says go away, for I dont know you, they had the chance.
I would rather believe in something and nothing happen than not believe in nothing, and be sent to hell cause I had the chance to accept a FREE gift, that costs nothing to me. Jesus Christ paid for it all on the cross. He didn't have to, but he did. What it cost for people, nothing.

Same quote to you.

Op is an iduot, thread is a waste of everyones time.

Complex life exist, against the scientific path of least resistance rule that says we can be no more than burning fuels and short circuits.

Must be very complex fuels, that this varying extent of life must form to expel these non existent energies to a non existent neutral non existent state.


The path of least resistance. I suppose Humans have eyes and fish have fins because the sun needs them to burn its hydrogen, or whatever lies you personally accept and need a story built around.

originally posted by: JuanDope
Op is an iduot, thread is a waste of everyones time.

Complex life exist, against the scientific path of least resistance rule that says we can be no more than burning fuels and short circuits.

Must be very complex fuels, that this varying extent of life must form to expel these non existent energies to a non existent neutral non existent state.


The path of least resistance. I suppose Humans have eyes and fish have fins because the sun needs them to burn its hydrogen, or whatever lies you personally accept and need a story built around.

iduot

Good spelling. Guess you can always edit your post.

Anyhow. Thanks for your non helpful post.

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: MrConspiracy
Did I really just read a post basically saying

1) God doesn't exist because we can't prove it
2) God can't exist because of "Disease, war, famine, violence, racism" occurring

What was the end game in this? Lol.

I love how proud you are to be an Atheist yet... you have no evidence to back up your core beliefs.

Atheism - a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

Hit me with your evidence.

Huge HUGE distinction.

Atheist is not a belief, correction. It is nothing more then someone who rejects all the fantasy stories. There is nothing to believe. I am not following any strict rules. I am, me.

This notion of Atheism being a belief haha, thats funny. It helps religious people put others in their same boat I guess. I do not characterise myself as Atheist but my views in life point to Atheism so therefore I am an Atheist. I would just say I support no religion and no god, nothing whatsoever. It is the world that likes to put labels on things.

This conversation about evidence makes no sense. Religion offers no evidence whatsoever, this does not make it plausible just because I cannot deny it. Your defence is funny.

thanks for laughing at my.... "defence".

But if you're denying the existence of a higher power because of lack of physical evidence and the 'bad stuff' on our world I can't take your stance seriously either...

I don't know you, but I'd hope you had more about you than to expect that.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: imjack

Well ya, but that is a pretty significant difference though. I mean you can't exactly say "I'm Christian but I don't believe in God." That's like someone saying I eat meat all the time but I'm vegan. It just doesn't work that way.

Also, what do you mean they follow pseudo Christian Lifestyles?? What is a pseudo Christian Lifestyle??

Again, it's the definitiveness. You can follow Christian Teachings and still question God's existence. They aren't mutually exclusive. It's more like "I'm Christian, however I am not 'sure' there is a God."

a reply to: BlackProject

Kids definitly are indoctrinated. Fortunately, society is growing in parts of the world to create free thinkers.

My hope is that from more free thinking will come many more "mystics". People who realize how absurd it is to try finding the "truth" of our existence through either analytical thought or ancient dogma.

However, I doubt any of us we see a world free of religious dogma in our lifetimes.

Oh yaaaaaay, ATS favorite topic. Christian and God bashing. Keep up the good work everyone!

That's a pretty misguided attempt in my opinion. There are a lot of versions of God around, I think it's pretty ignorant and dishonest to assume none of them exist simply because you haven't noticed it yet.

Fear not, your veil will be lifted eventually. I hope for your sake and everyone that shares your position that you get it lifted before you die. Not because your salvation depends on it, quite the opposite. Simply because the reality we experience takes on a whole new flavor once you can understand the true nature.

I thought precisely like you do just a couple years ago. I was so egotistical and wrapped up in my self so much so that I failed to see what was right in front of, behind, above and below me. I was blind frankly, and now I am not.

If I could give any advice to push you in the right direction, forget your preconceived notions and those of established religions on what "God" is or could be. You aren't even close to thinking outside the box right now. You are a fundamental piece of said box still. So much so that you can't even see the boarders yet.

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: BlackProject

We should not be able to create if the creator created us. We should not obtain those powers, yet we do

Why not? What's your rational mechanism for arriving at this assertion?

Because, oh well. This fellow (and it is a he, supposedly

) holds all power and something the human mind could not conceive or perceive. Yet, whats this. We are doing those very things? Amazing.

Yet you somehow fail to see what that actually means. I won't spell it out for you, when you realize for yourself it is much more profound.

originally posted by: BlackProject

originally posted by: imwilliam
a reply to: BlackProject

We should not be able to create if the creator created us. We should not obtain those powers, yet we do

Why not? What's your rational mechanism for arriving at this assertion?

Because, oh well. This fellow (and it is a he, supposedly

) holds all power and something the human mind could not conceive or perceive. Yet, whats this. We are doing those very things? Amazing.

Honestly...no offence meant what-so-ever. Your observations are correct and accurate and...I am not religious. What I don't understand is why? Why bother posting the thread at all? I'm sure you know you are not going to change any minds or "enlighten" someone to the likely non-existence of God.

Therefore, you mean this thread for individuals who already don't believe in God and/or individuals who do believe in God. From the non-believer side, you are preaching to the choir (yes...I did that on purpose) and wasting your time and "breath" re-stating what these individuals believe as fact. You're not saying anything new, different or proposing a new way of looking at things. So unless you simply had nothing to do...that was kind of a silly waste of time.

If you mean this thread for the believers of God, then you have an ulterior motive in my opinion. You know that someone who believes in God, prays to God, goes to God's house to worship, celebrates God's holidays, etc. is not going to be changed by a reference to Leprechauns. So again...in my opinion, you must want to simply chastise these individuals, maybe trying to embarrass these individuals as stupid or otherwise simply suggest their God never existed and they have wasted their lives in their beliefs.

So I ask a simple question. Were you just really, really bored...or were you trying to hurt others?

To put it simply. If there is a God, why did he make me an Atheist?

This question is so fundamental that you cannot possibly know how important it is. I want to tell you the answer so badly, but it is something you must find for yourself for it to have any meaning.

The 3 posts I have made in this thread, combined with the words of yourself that I quoted are all you need to solve the mystery. It is the answer to the biggest and most important question ever asked: What is the meaning of life?

It is literally right in front of you. You already have all of the information you need, you are just failing to put it together logically. It is so much more simple than you think it is in its appearence, and this is why it is so beautiful.

I truly hope you come to the conclusions you are capable of coming to using nothing more than you already have. The answer is paradigm shattering.

I thought the mods said they were going to start moving troll posts out of the "conspiracy" section??

This is obviously a troll post.

The logic is ridiculous, one thing does or doesn't exist so another thing also must or must not exist.

a reply to: imjack

I've never heard a Christian say to me it's ok to be Christian an not believe in God. Who are you worshiping at that point??? If you don't think there is a God then why follow any of it's teachings??

Oh...what the Hell.

So following the OP with whom I actually, basically agree...I ask this. Is there hope in this world? Is there hate in this world? What about love, caring, sympathy? These "things" most people would agree exist. No...they aren't formed beings, they don't take up space, they don't vote and they don't live in the clouds. But they exist.

Why you seem to believe that God is any different than these things is beyond me. Do YOU actually believe God has to be an old white man in a robe that lives among the clouds? Really???? Maybe...if there is a God...God is like love, caring, hope. Maybe God is values, morals and presents a path.

You see...a belief in God in this manner is just as valid as the belief in happiness. Now, don't get me going on man-made religion, but if you wish to prove there is no God to those who believe...try to first convince someone there is no hate, anguish, fear, etc. Because if you can convince them of that...they don't need a God.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: imjack

I've never heard a Christian say to me it's ok to be Christian an not believe in God. Who are you worshiping at that point??? If you don't think there is a God then why follow any of it's teachings??

You would be worshiping God. And Jesus. You would just be unsure of their actual existence, and while potentially leaning on that with lack of 'faith' or 'belief' still acknowledge their societal existence and merely just yearn for some proof in the process of your worship of them.

Look, I'm not saying lots of people believe this. It would just find no irony on me if 'Someday'.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

That's fine if you want to think of God as those things. Feelings of Love or Peace or Brotherhood or universal balance or whatever. That's perfectly fine IMO.

However that is not how the Christian God is described. He talked about as a being. A being who would walk and talk with man at one point in time. That we are made in the image of and so forth.

Someone here even referred to him as a Living God. That's the difference. It's the fact that the Christian God isn't just emotions or energy but supposed to be a being of some kind. He's jealous, loving, vengeful, etc.