God Exists, Therefore Leprechauns Exist.

Who here would be willing to murder their own child in cold blood as a demonstration of their faith if commanded by their god, as was once allegedly commanded to Abraham of the bible?

a reply to: sputniksteve

Trying to see the point of your post.

"The All in all"?

Just trying to see which page you are on.

a reply to: imjack

That's their choice of course to do that too. I mean I should be allowed to do my thing and them theirs. But I just people would admit to what that really is. Because there is another term for exactly what you just described and that is "Make Believe".

That's what they're doing. It's "Make Believe". They're pretending just like kids do when they invent things in their imagination and then play as if it's real.

Again, they're choice. But they could at least admit to what it is they're doing.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

That's fine if you want to think of God as those things. Feelings of Love or Peace or Brotherhood or universal balance or whatever. That's perfectly fine IMO.

However that is not how the Christian God is described. He talked about as a being. A being who would walk and talk with man at one point in time. That we are made in the image of and so forth.

Someone here even referred to him as a Living God. That's the difference. It's the fact that the Christian God isn't just emotions or energy but supposed to be a being of some kind. He's jealous, loving, vengeful, etc.

Nothings wrong with that either then, but "Have you met him"? I didn't honestly suggest he was some force in the universe.

People like proof. Proof has a long way in the atheist argument as a single word. If someone is shown proof of existence, many times this would lead to them abandoning atheism. It's more based of logic than stubbornness to 'disbelieve in things'.

From a logic standpoint, it would honestly make a lot of sense for many people to claim there is "1 God." This would 'potentially' suggest they're 'counting' them as they meet them.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Oh...what the Hell.

So following the OP with whom I actually, basically agree...I ask this. Is there hope in this world? Is there hate in this world? What about love, caring, sympathy? These "things" most people would agree exist. No...they aren't formed beings, they don't take up space, they don't vote and they don't live in the clouds. But they exist.

Why you seem to believe that God is any different than these things is beyond me. Do YOU actually believe God has to be an old white man in a robe that lives among the clouds? Really???? Maybe...if there is a God...God is like love, caring, hope. Maybe God is values, morals and presents a path.

You see...a belief in God in this manner is just as valid as the belief in happiness. Now, don't get me going on man-made religion, but if you wish to prove there is no God to those who believe...try to first convince someone there is no hate, anguish, fear, etc. Because if you can convince them of that...they don't need a God.

You are on the right track actually. You are pretty close to seeing through the veil. Whether you want it or not, be careful or you might end up knowing the opposite of what you believe

The truth is very simple, so much so that most people completely overlook what is literally all around them. All of this, is a little game that "God" is playing with itself. Considering how simple it all really is, it is absolutely mind blowing and beautiful when you see it for what it is.

Don't fight it, where ever your ideas take you. When you realize it, if you are still alive, don't expect some fundamental change to being a Christian where you will be preaching and praying all day because of the revelation. In fact if you understand the correct thing the opposite will happen. You will see and act differently however, just not in ways you can imagine at this moment. Worst case scenario, it comes to all of us eventually. I can almost guarantee at that stage it won't be enjoyed nearly as much.

This thread is actually very very good, but for reasons most will not see. I think you may end up seeing it.

I'd also like to add that I don't believe in God in the regular sense. However, I live my life following many of the "rules" God would impose. I try to be nice, kind and helpful. I try not to hate, be unfair or be mean. I try every day to do what is right by others, my family, friends, etc...as many of us do. I don't do so out of a fear of disrespecting a God, I do them because I believe that is the right way to live.

But I was raised Roman Catholic, so maybe I learned what is "good" from that upbringing. And if so...then God touched my life by instructing me what is "good" and what is "evil". Maybe that time as a child made me who I am today and if that is the case, then God was a positive influence in my life.

If it is even that simple...if it is even that small and seemingly small...then maybe it isn't a bad thing. I will say this. I hope there is a God. I hope there is an after-life and a "place" that we "go". I don't believe it...but I hope for it or I wish for it.

I know that isn't bad.

originally posted by: fatkid
a reply to: sputniksteve

Trying to see the point of your post.

"The All in all"?

Just trying to see which page you are on.

I am on "the" page Fatkid. I could easily spell it out, I wouldn't be the first or the last. I have come to find though that it does no good to just give all of the answers, as much as my chemistry compels me to do it. I am pretty sure you know where I am at already. I can tell by you trying to be cryptic as to not give it away.

There is a secret club of people that don't meet, don't discuss, don't even know the other individuals in the club. We just know that the club exists and that we are in it. No sense in spoiling the game for the people still playing.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

That's fine if you want to think of God as those things. Feelings of Love or Peace or Brotherhood or universal balance or whatever. That's perfectly fine IMO.

However that is not how the Christian God is described. He talked about as a being. A being who would walk and talk with man at one point in time. That we are made in the image of and so forth.

Someone here even referred to him as a Living God. That's the difference. It's the fact that the Christian God isn't just emotions or energy but supposed to be a being of some kind. He's jealous, loving, vengeful, etc.

No one knows who or what God is if God exists. Not even the Christians of whom I was one. We are a stupid race when you really think about it but I won't go into that now short of saying we think we know everything...while in reality we are infants. Sometimes things need to be spelled out to the young and stupid in simple, relate-able terms. But I think you are incorrect in your assumption.

Jesus was supposed to be the son of God made into man. Jesus could bleed...God can not. God was drawn because you can't draw a feeling, and emotion or a belief. God had to be something people...children could relate to and understand. Hence the old white man. But a man can't be everywhere...a man can't create the universe.

I don't think there has ever been a time or a writing that ever implied that the Christian God was a physical man. Quite the opposite.

a reply to: imjack

People had many gods before they had one god. They used to have Gods for all kinds of things. Gods of the air, water, fire, objects, feelings, etc.

Things within nature were happening because the gods deemed it so. You'd leave offerings for some god to ask his favor. Then came the single all powerful god. It was a major change within Religious thought.

But is it really any different than Zeus or Hades or Isis and Ra?? No. It's just been made singular and all powerful rather than being many Gods of different types.

But you don't consider Zeus to be real too do you??? Well, why not?? What's the difference???

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
But a man can't be everywhere...a man can't create the universe.

We're actually getting pretty close. But that's not the point.(Maybe later one day it will be)

The point is I definitely believe in God. However I don't commit to any Religion at this point, nor will I ever. I think that's the best way to go and God would agree.

originally posted by: sputniksteve

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Oh...what the Hell.

So following the OP with whom I actually, basically agree...I ask this. Is there hope in this world? Is there hate in this world? What about love, caring, sympathy? These "things" most people would agree exist. No...they aren't formed beings, they don't take up space, they don't vote and they don't live in the clouds. But they exist.

Why you seem to believe that God is any different than these things is beyond me. Do YOU actually believe God has to be an old white man in a robe that lives among the clouds? Really???? Maybe...if there is a God...God is like love, caring, hope. Maybe God is values, morals and presents a path.

You see...a belief in God in this manner is just as valid as the belief in happiness. Now, don't get me going on man-made religion, but if you wish to prove there is no God to those who believe...try to first convince someone there is no hate, anguish, fear, etc. Because if you can convince them of that...they don't need a God.

You are on the right track actually. You are pretty close to seeing through the veil. Whether you want it or not, be careful or you might end up knowing the opposite of what you believe

The truth is very simple, so much so that most people completely overlook what is literally all around them. All of this, is a little game that "God" is playing with itself. Considering how simple it all really is, it is absolutely mind blowing and beautiful when you see it for what it is.

Don't fight it, where ever your ideas take you. When you realize it, if you are still alive, don't expect some fundamental change to being a Christian where you will be preaching and praying all day because of the revelation. In fact if you understand the correct thing the opposite will happen. You will see and act differently however, just not in ways you can imagine at this moment. Worst case scenario, it comes to all of us eventually. I can almost guarantee at that stage it won't be enjoyed nearly as much.

This thread is actually very very good, but for reasons most will not see. I think you may end up seeing it.

Make no mistake. I believe in exactly of what you imply...and I won't open that can of worms here or now. I know there IS what some might call God. I do see it every day and I know from where it came and more importantly where it will return to. I know the definition of everything and how everything is the only things.

But that is not really what is being discussed here.

originally posted by: imjack

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
But a man can't be everywhere...a man can't create the universe.

We're actually getting pretty close. But that's not the point.(Maybe later one day it will be)

The point is I definitely believe in God. However I don't commit to any Religion at this point, nor will I ever. I think that's the best way to go and God would agree.

Sooooo close. Everything needed is already in this thread, just needs to be reordered and rethought and put back together. Damn this is a fun thread. If only they could start at Zero instead of having all of the baggage. But then we know that is the point don't we

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

A major problem I see is that there are many people who do claim to "know God". Even right here in this thread.

They would also probably disagree with your description of God as well.

That kind of internal inconsistent conflict doesn't exactly show much confidence to others. Especially when some of those people doing the internal fighting keep claiming to know stuff that it really doesn't seem like they actually know.

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE

originally posted by: sputniksteve

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Oh...what the Hell.

So following the OP with whom I actually, basically agree...I ask this. Is there hope in this world? Is there hate in this world? What about love, caring, sympathy? These "things" most people would agree exist. No...they aren't formed beings, they don't take up space, they don't vote and they don't live in the clouds. But they exist.

Why you seem to believe that God is any different than these things is beyond me. Do YOU actually believe God has to be an old white man in a robe that lives among the clouds? Really???? Maybe...if there is a God...God is like love, caring, hope. Maybe God is values, morals and presents a path.

You see...a belief in God in this manner is just as valid as the belief in happiness. Now, don't get me going on man-made religion, but if you wish to prove there is no God to those who believe...try to first convince someone there is no hate, anguish, fear, etc. Because if you can convince them of that...they don't need a God.

You are on the right track actually. You are pretty close to seeing through the veil. Whether you want it or not, be careful or you might end up knowing the opposite of what you believe

The truth is very simple, so much so that most people completely overlook what is literally all around them. All of this, is a little game that "God" is playing with itself. Considering how simple it all really is, it is absolutely mind blowing and beautiful when you see it for what it is.

Don't fight it, where ever your ideas take you. When you realize it, if you are still alive, don't expect some fundamental change to being a Christian where you will be preaching and praying all day because of the revelation. In fact if you understand the correct thing the opposite will happen. You will see and act differently however, just not in ways you can imagine at this moment. Worst case scenario, it comes to all of us eventually. I can almost guarantee at that stage it won't be enjoyed nearly as much.

This thread is actually very very good, but for reasons most will not see. I think you may end up seeing it.

Make no mistake. I believe in exactly of what you imply...and I won't open that can of worms here or now. I know there IS what some might call God. I do see it every day and I know from where it came and more importantly where it will return to. I know the definition of everything and how everything is the only things.

But that is not really what is being discussed here.

See I knew you would get it!!! Just kidding, I am still new to the game and have a tendency to over step boundaries. Too much of the old still left over I think.

originally posted by: imjack

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
But a man can't be everywhere...a man can't create the universe.

We're actually getting pretty close. But that's not the point.(Maybe later one day it will be)

The point is I definitely believe in God. However I don't commit to any Religion at this point, nor will I ever. I think that's the best way to go and God would agree.

If you know what I know, you will appreciate this next sentence but if you don't...maybe one day you will.

Yes...we are pretty close. That is the whole point.

a reply to: sputniksteve

No problem! See you when things return to their original state

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
a reply to: sputniksteve

No problem! See you when things return to their original state

Not if I see you first!

originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
I'd also like to add that I don't believe in God in the regular sense. However, I live my life following many of the "rules" God would impose. I try to be nice, kind and helpful. I try not to hate, be unfair or be mean. I try every day to do what is right by others, my family, friends, etc...as many of us do. I don't do so out of a fear of disrespecting a God, I do them because I believe that is the right way to live.

But I was raised Roman Catholic, so maybe I learned what is "good" from that upbringing. And if so...then God touched my life by instructing me what is "good" and what is "evil". Maybe that time as a child made me who I am today and if that is the case, then God was a positive influence in my life.

If it is even that simple...if it is even that small and seemingly small...then maybe it isn't a bad thing. I will say this. I hope there is a God. I hope there is an after-life and a "place" that we "go". I don't believe it...but I hope for it or I wish for it.

I know that isn't bad.

It is nice to hear your views on the subject, I wanted to reply to you because I just wanted to point something out to you. You mention that you learned good, well you ever think maybe you are just a good person at heart anyway?

You was not born bad, no one is born bad. We are only products of our environments and those that we are brought up with. It is obvious that those you grew up with did pass onto you good traits, however for you to follow those good traits is you as you are. I would not like to take away the idea of God in your life if it makes you happy but think about the situations in your life and think, maybe there is just good in people anyway and that means more then a God pushing you to do so.

We do all hope we will be fine and happy and I would always wish those same things for myself and anyone so religion does help in that manner but helping or diluting our reality is another thing altogether. As when we do loose someone, the reality sets in. Maybe its only at that point do we realise the lie yet we ground ourselves instantly in that moment to say, no! there is more. Of course this feels better in such a moment of agony.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

A major problem I see is that there are many people who do claim to "know God". Even right here in this thread.

They would also probably disagree with your description of God as well.

That kind of internal inconsistent conflict doesn't exactly show much confidence to others. Especially when some of those people doing the internal fighting keep claiming to know stuff that it really doesn't seem like they actually know.

That is only a problem for people that don't know. I will tell you that people that do know don't stand in streets and preach, don't open churches, don't sell the truth, and frankly try not to spoil the fun. They also know that it is mostly a fruitless effort, and that the entire point of the game is to overcome and discover by ones self. Literally.

originally posted by: mOjOm

But you don't consider Zeus to be real too do you??? Well, why not?? What's the difference???

Well it's Halloween, and if I was God, I would dress as Zeus. He is a real guy afterall.

Just because there are 'many Gods' doesn't mean it's not possible God is not them.

Maybe he has identity issues.

If he can be everywhere, stop time, all powerful etc, who's to say he isn't every God there ever was?

It's interesting you bring up Egyptian. The Shabaka Stone interpretation is that people(everyone) become God when they die with 4 specific 'powers'.(Time/Light/Gravity/Mass). This is also where the Illuminati Lightning-bolt nonsense comes from. The theory is putting yourself close to death awakens these Godly powers while alive prematurely to your awakening of death.