God Exists, Therefore Leprechauns Exist.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Did you forget that something without evidence is called a hypothesis?

So, let's work on a hypothesis, shall we? But for which god(s)?

Christian?
Spaghetti monster?
Cthulhu?
Zeus?
And MANY MANY more.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Sigh!!

a reply to: jon1

Oh, I'm sorry. Did you not like the fact that there are dozens of god(s) to choose from?

Let me guess. Only YOUR one is the RIGHT one. Correct?

a reply to: BlackProject

The same argument has been around for a very long time under various names (the flying spaghetti monster and the invisible teapot orbiting Neptune).

Are you aware of positive and negative atheism?

A positive atheist will state 'there is no God'

A negative atheist will state 'I have a lack of belief but I am open to changing my default position if evidence becomes available'.

Positive atheists always set themselves up to fall in just the same way positive theists do when claiming belief to be fact in intellectual debate. Are you familiar with Hitchen's razor?

a reply to: BlackProject

I can't prove that leprechauns or God exist using the scientific method. I have faith that God exists. Faith = Conviction without tangible Evidence.

However, if faith in leprechauns is what gets you through the day, don't let me stop you. So long as your faith doesn't require you to convert others by the sword, infringe on human rights, etc., we all good.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Absence of evidence does not mean there is nothing there...

There isn't an absence of evidence though, there is evidence to the contrary.

i.e. the origins of the Israelites and their shift from polytheism to monotheism.

a reply to: TerryDon79

FEAR.. What fear is that then... All the christians that i know love him, not fear him...
Once again, more assumptions based on what people that have no knowledge of what it is all about.. SAD..

a reply to: jon1

You have a real basic knowledge of God

You know nothing of a God, the Only ideas you have have been formed in your head based on writings in a story book? Other than that, there is zero proof of any God. None.

a reply to: jon1

You know the whole bible thing? Half of it is about fearing a god and doing what your told or bad things will happen.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Mine is the only one that is alive and not a statue or who is dead but i don't knock other religions through respect for them..

a reply to: jon1

Jon1 Please would you take the time to watch this.

Thank you in advance.

a reply to: TerryDon79

*shrugs* whatever floats your boat...

I don't believe in religion but I believe something is out there... a Kid with an ant farm is as good an explanation as any.

as I mentioned earlier and to continue off your reply... lot of breakthroughs did not occur till we had evolved enough and advanced enough technologically to make the breakthrough that had only been a hypothesis for years.

We may never find anything... or one day we may find something!

Time will Tell.. S@#$ will smell... and water will seek its own level.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Because science works with evidence, not belief

Science; necessarily and rightly I think, given it's realm of inquiry, the physical world, adopts methodological naturalism. which merely for practical reasons, limits the universe of discourse to the physical, things that can be sensed with the five senses, measured and etc.

But science isn't a method for discovering anything outside the physical realm. It's not designed for, it's not the right tool for ascertaining/discovering things in the supernatural realm. It's not concerned with the supernatural. Strictly practiced, it makes no comment, draws no conclusions about the supernatural one way or the other. The supernatural is outside of sciences realm of inquiry. Science does not require metaphysical naturalism, the belief that there is nothing beyond the physical realm.

Metaphysical naturalism is a belief on par, from a logical/rational standpoint, with belief in the supernatural, for example God.

If I limited science, as a study of the natural world, to evidence of a supernatural nature, well that wouldn't make much sense. I think it's equally nonsensical to limit an exploration of the supernatural to evidence defined as that which can be physically observed, measured, quantified and etc.

To me using science to prove/disprove the supernatural, again for example God, is like beating on the head of a nail with a feather duster.

originally posted by: CaptainBeno
a reply to: jon1

Jon1 Please would you take the time to watch this.

Thank you in advance.

Not seen this video in about 2 years or so but certainly one of the brightest minds of our generation showing the very clear and obvious reasons for those that do not follow religion. Stephen puts it very elegantly here and nice to see others like yourself appreciating his words.

a reply to: CaptainBeno

When was the last time you ever went to Church and saw people healed ?
When did you ever go and remove demons from peoples houses?
When did you have words of knowledge about people that they knew you didn't know..
Please don't try and tell me things that you have not a clue about...
Get out in the real world and turn your computer off for a while, you may learn something..

a reply to: BlackProject

Thank you very much.

There is however, a short follow on contained within this initial footage of Stephen. Extremely interesting.

Thanks again!

a reply to: jon1

Assumption? Dear Dear me. I thought better of you Jon.

I know, you know that you possibly couldn't know those things about me. Yet tar me with the same brush as you do yourself. Notice at this moment in time you are sat at a computer.

Why are you getting angry with me Jon? Is it because you have no scientific proof to your beliefs? Floundering and mud slinging is not a very religious thing to do is it Jon. Shouldn't you be digging deep and asking Jesus for his help at this precise moment rather than fling accusations my way. Tut tut Jon. I thought better of you.

a reply to: jon1

So what would you call a "god fearing Christian"? Notice the second word? There you go.

originally posted by: jon1
a reply to: BlackProject

There is no hope for people like yourselves i'm afraid.. You have a real basic knowledge of God and just follow the crowd in your assumptions.. all the best in your life of ignorance.

This is wrong. This is also the attitude from the devoutly religious which turns people away. You claim to "know God", whatever that means and just expect everyone to believe you're right.

Now you're claiming to "know" what others think and why they think it. Something you clearly don't know and just believe.

But that is the real problem here. People insisting that their beliefs are things they know to be universally true. That is just BS.

We all have beliefs that we really believe must be true. We also know things which we don't just really think are true but are things we can demonstrate as being true and consistent and repeatable at any time for anyone who would like to test it as well. Those are not the same thing.

The things you know are true you're able to demonstrate why that is. The things we believe, even really believe are true, stay as only beliefs because there is something about them that is not definable or that lacks some evidence. Now this doesn't mean they aren't true, they might be true only we lack the means to prove it. But if you lack the ability to prove it you shouldn't expect anyone else to believe it either.

originally posted by: jon1
a reply to: TerryDon79

Mine is the only one that is alive and not a statue or who is dead but i don't knock other religions through respect for them..

Great. Well if he's alive then where's he at??

Let's go talk to him. You and me together. Tell me where he is and I'll google up his address and I'm on my way to have a talk with him and we'll get this straight once and for all.