Was Scalia murdered like SETH RICH they better Exhume his body

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Lots of interesting discussion in the Podesta email search from wikieaks concerning Scalia and the Supreme Court. There are also conversations between Podesta and people using the @hillaryclinton.com email addresses. One of those conversations linked to this article by the WashPo -

Why the next Supreme Court vacancy will favor liberals, no matter who retires


Contained in this email -

Scalia



From:[email protected]
To: [email protected]
Date: 2016-02-13 20:22
Subject: Scalia







These stories have no substance yet. But here are two. Will send more as
they come.

Story that broke the news:
www.mysanantonio.com...

www.thedailybeast.com...

Older piece on how vacancy would favor Dems from Wapo:
www.washingtonpost.com... 7-653b65c809eb_story.html

--
Milia Fisher
Special Assistant to the Chair
Hillary for America
[email protected]
c: 858.395.1741

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: audubon

* All of Scalia's friends at that lodge with him (none of whom has ever expressed any suspicion)

No, it was friends of the owner, not Scalia:

The article you have linked to contains the following quote from John Poindexter: "he was surrounded by friends, in fairly nice setting, with a full tummy too." Poindexter, incidentally, was an appointee under the Reagan and GHW Bush administrations, so would have been of Scalia's own political persuasion, and he is stating that Scalia died naturally.

Actually, she was a Justice of the Peace and did not even have a law degree, and she was not the JP of that particular county; that JP would have ordered an autopsy:

Scalia died in Presidio County, Texas. Cinderela Guevara is the JP of Presidio County, and a JP is referred to as a Judge. She is not required to hold a law degree, as is common with most lower-tier Judges and Magistrates. Guevara is a directly-elected JP and the electorate knew of her biography when they elected her to her position at two successive elections.

That JP and sheriff together also had a questionable call on an autopsy in common in the past.

It was the JP's decision alone (see further explanation below), and the fact that she might have messed up once (out of how many deaths that occurred on her watch?) is hardly suspicious.

Scalia wasn't a decrepit old man, he was quite fit and active.

Your link doesn't say what you claim it does. It cites the fact that his friends didn't know he was so ill. His physician knew the truth.

Scalia was an obese 79-year-old with a history of heart problems and high blood-pressure, who had recently been turned down for heart surgery because of his deteriorating health.

ATS member MotherMayEye wrote to the Justice of the Peace and got the letter Cinderela Guevara (theJP) received from Scalia's doctor.

The link you provide contains the following excerpt from that letter: ""In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE, it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death." Quite how you are perceiving this as some kind of admission of suspicious circumstances is frankly beyond me.

Actually, it was the U.S. Marshall that was on site who seemed oddly adamant that the JP not make the drive out to see the body herself who first insisted that an autopsy was not necessary.

Your link doesn't say what you claim it does (again). Here are the words attributed to that Marshall: “Its not necessary for you to come, Judge. If you’re going to ask for an autopsy, that’s what we need to clarify." He is asking the Judge whether or not she wants an autopsy, not telling her that an autopsy is unnecessary.

You keep providing links that don't back up your arguments and that actually undermine what you are saying. Do you actually read them before you post them, or are you copypasting them from a pre-prepared list that you found somewhere and haven't checked out for yourself?

Barack Obama had his own severer as well?

[email protected]

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Barack Obama had his own severer as well?

[email protected]

Seriously? If you are saying what I think you are, it needs a separate and dedicated thread.

originally posted by: Ameilia

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Barack Obama had his own severer as well?

[email protected]

Seriously? If you are saying what I think you are, it needs a separate and dedicated thread.

Thats the impression I am getting from the email address I quoted above.

a reply to: Xcathdra

If you go to www.barackobama.com you will find the answer to your question.

Despite the domain name, it is the website of Organising For Action (OFA). What is OFA? Their FAQ section says:

Statement of Purpose: Organizing for Action (OFA) is a non-partisan, issue advocacy organization committed to growing the grassroots movement by training, educating, and activating civically engaged community members across the country. As a grassroots driven organization, OFA is dedicated to empowering action takers with the skills and tools needed to tip the scales of power back to the American people and away from the special interests in Washington, D.C. In carrying out its work, OFA will operate as a "social welfare" organization within the meaning of section 501(c)(4) of the Internal Revenue Code.

It doesn't seem very convincing to say that you are 'non-partisan' when you're using Obama's name in your web address, and Obama himself shares his Twitter account with you but whatever.

This is a different question to Obama having his own private server. A server is a piece of physical machinery, and a website isn't, and despite some close ties to Obama himself ties the website is run by people outside the Government.

a reply to: audubon

Right but in this instance its Clu@barackobama.com - which is an email address, just like [email protected].

[email protected]

That is not a website address. It is an email address.

Possibly related...

Leaked Board Documents: Soros Organization Tried To Influence Supreme Court Ruling On Illegal Immigration

...Members of the advisory board include Soros family members, left-wing activists, Ivy League professors and columnists for The Washington Post and Foreign Policy magazine. The memo, entitled “State of U.S. Programs,” is part of a 75-page file containing internal documents from a Feb 11 and 12 board meeting.

“Consistent with our recent practice, this memo provides an overview of the state of USP and its operations with a focus on items that are not otherwise covered in the upcoming board discussions,” the memo reads.

Bold= mine

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: audubon

Right but in this instance its Clu@barackobama.com - which is an email address, just like [email protected].

[email protected]

That is not a website address. It is an email address.

Erm, yes, but the bit after the '@' is the domain name. This is from the Wikipedia explanation because I can't be bothered to find a better source:

The general format of an email address is local-part@domain, and a specific example is [email protected]. An address consists of two parts. The part before the @ symbol (local-part) identifies the name of a mailbox. This is often the username of the recipient, e.g., jsmith. The part after the @ symbol (domain) is a domain name that represents the administrative realm for the mail box, e.g., a company's domain name, example.com.

So the email address that ends '@barackobama.com' is used to send mail to mailboxes associated with the website www.barackobama.com, the domain being 'barackobama.com'. Here's a short video explaining what a domain name is.

You don't actually have to be Barack Obama himself to own that domain name. Checking it out on whois.com (a sort of directory of registered websites that tells you about who owns what on the internet), you can find the following domains associated with Obama's name:

Popular
barackobama.biz $12.89
barackobama.us $14.99
BUY SELECTED

So for less than $15 you could purchase one of those domain names today, and set yourself up a barackobama website. And so could anyone else. And that's what's happened with barackobama.com (which is why you can't buy it - it's already taken).

a reply to: audubon

Whois for barackobama.com

Domain Name: BARACKOBAMA.COM
Registry Domain ID: 138393673_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.enom.com
Registrar URL: www.enom.com
Updated Date: 2015-03-24T19:29:30.00Z
Creation Date: 2004-12-28T19:22:00.00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-12-28T19:22:00.00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Registrar IANA ID: 48
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited www.icann.org...
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: DOMAIN ADMINISTRATOR
Registrant Organization: ORGANIZING FOR ACTION
Registrant Street: P.O. BOX 618120
Registrant City: CHICAGO
Registrant State/Province: IL
Registrant Postal Code: 60661
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: [removed]
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: DOMAIN ADMINISTRATOR
Admin Organization: ORGANIZING FOR ACTION
Admin Street: P.O. BOX 618120
Admin City: CHICAGO
Admin State/Province: IL
Admin Postal Code: 60661
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: [removed]
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax:
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Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: DOMAIN ADMINISTRATOR
Tech Organization: ORGANIZING FOR ACTION
Tech Street: P.O. BOX 618120
Tech City: CHICAGO
Tech State/Province: IL
Tech Postal Code: 60661
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: [removed]
Tech Phone Ext:
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Tech Email:
Name Server: BO.NS.BARACKOBAMA.COM
Name Server: SUNNY.NS.BARACKOBAMA.COM
DNSSEC: unSigned
Registrar Abuse Contact Email:
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: [removed]
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: wdprs.internic.net...

[removed]=mine

Organizing for Action out of Chicago owned

a reply to: JacKatMtn

And this is suspicious because..?

As it happens, Organising For Action is the successor organisation to Obama's 2012 re-election campaign, and the barackobama.com website used to belong to that campaign, which was (obviously) based in Chicago.

Since Obama isn't running for re-election, his campaign team have no further use for that domain name and it has been 'handed down' to OFA. All that's happened is a change of 'occupant' for the domain barackobama.com

See: www.washingtonpost.com...

OFA has some ropy aspects (such as claiming to be non-partisan, when it obviously is very partisan) but the domain name aspect is dull, inconclusive, and irrelevant.

a reply to: audubon

I didn't say it was suspicious...

it's just another possible dot...

Would it beyond belief that POTUS would have an email address on his own campaign server?

Could be something, could be nothing... just a dot at this point

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Would it beyond belief that POTUS would have an email address on his own campaign server?

It's not beyond belief, but on the other hand there's zero evidence of it. And even if there were an email address along the lines of '[email protected]' that wouldn't be proof that Barack Obama was the recipient.

And it wasn't his own campaign server, it was his campaign's website (the publicly-viewable layout) and we don't know what server (i.e., physical machinery) it was on.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

Thanks for posting that.

For the people that don't see a problem with people trying to influence the Justices...
That influence should only occur during arguments before the Court, not outside of the Court.
Justices are supposed to be chosen because they are people that can make decision according to the Constitution and the rule of law... not do what is politically advisable according to elected officials.
It is part of the beauty of our system of checks and balances.

a reply to: audubon

Name Server: BO.NS.BARACKOBAMA.COM
Name Server: SUNNY.NS.BARACKOBAMA.COM

A clue? I am not tech savvy so I don't know..

a reply to: audubon

The only one who was a friend of the Justice was the one who invited him, (C.Allen Foster), all of the others were Poindexter's friends. And Poindexter was hardly a friend of the Justice:

Scalia, who was scheduled to return to Washington on Sunday, had little time to avail himself of the ranch's offerings. Poindexter said he had only met Scalia once before briefly, in Washington. Scalia came to the ranch because he was friends another guest.

Of the other people present, only two other names were ever able to be verified. Wallace Rogers III and A J LEWIS III, they are both businessmen based mostly in Texas and were not friends of the judge. No other names have been given as to who was in attendance.

Guevara may have been a JP of Presidio county, that bit did escape me when the events took place. But she was not the only one, and where the ranch was a different JP's jurisdiction:

Juanita Bishop, a Justice of the Peace in Presidio, Texas, stated that she would have demanded an autopsy, stating she “would want to know”. She further stated that Scalia “was good one minute and the next minute he’s dead”. She added, “ It’s for our own good to know cause of death”.

According to USA Today, Juanita Bishop, the second Presidio County Justice of the Peace, whose jurisdiction includes the Cibolla Ranch, recounted driving on Interstate 67 Saturday morning and noticing an unusually large number of private jets at the Ranch. A few hours later she received a request from the Presidio County Sheriff’s Office to perform an Inquest on a deceased person at the Cibolla Ranch Property. Because she was out of town, she deferred the matter to County Judge Guevera. Judge Guevera performed the Inquest.

Guevara was the third person reached and the only one who was willing to make the pronouncement call over the phone.

I've got to go to work but will will return later and add to this reply or make another post if the edit window has expired.

a reply to: JacKatMtn

A name server is the bit of kit that translates an IP address (a string of numbers separated by dots) into a website name. That's all. Obviously computers can't read English, and we humans can't rely on strings of random-looking numbers to identify what website we're looking for, and so the name server is the 'translator' between us and the computers.

The format xx.yy.domainname is completely normal, and just tells you which website it is that the IP address resolves to (i.e., the front bit is the important bit (xx.yy) and the domain name bit is sort of just a helpful label).

See: www.whoishostingthis.com...

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Guevara was the third person reached and the only one who was willing to make the pronouncement call over the phone.

The chunk of text you quoted in this post state that Guevara was the second person to be reached, and that the JP who you are referring to refused to take on the job because she was out of town.

She delegated 'up the ladder' and Guevara did things a different way to how Bishop herself would have done it. Both ways of doing it were completely legal and Guevara has her own mind to make up. Big deal.

a reply to: audubon

“The call came from Juanita Bishop, the Justice of the Peace for Precinct 2, which is closer to the Cibolo Creek Ranch, but she was in a work-related event more than 120 miles away in Fort Stockton”.

“Beebe responded he was also far away, too, busy at the political forum. The deceased wasn’t identified. Bishop said she would find an alternate”.

“Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderella Guevera”.

The only "up the ladder," the sheriff might have done would have been to call a county judge. JPs are all of coequal authority and sit at the lowest level of the Judiciary in Texas.

He is asking the Judge whether or not she wants an autopsy, not telling her that an autopsy is unnecessary.

The U.S.Marshall (presumably Ken Roberts) was trying to dissuade the JP from making the trip and indicating that an autopsy was not needed. He wasn't asking anything. He was saying that if the reason the judge was going to drive out there was to determine whether or not to order an autopsy, then the trip was not necessary and thus neither was the autopsy.

She planned to drive to the Cibolo Creek Ranch, but returned when a US Marshal told her by phone, “Its not necessary for you to come, Judge. If you’re going to ask for an autopsy, that’s what we need to clarify”.

Scalia's doctor did indeed say:

it is reasonable to conclude that his age and significant medical conditions led to his death."

which was preceded by the qualifier:

In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE

No other information was available to give to his doctor because what information JP Guevara had was minimal at best and the result of a (twenty minute, continually interrupted) conversation over the phone with a deputy who has a history of questionable judgement in cases of unexplained death.

If a proper inquest had been performed, and an autopsy ordered it is entirely possible other mitigating factors could have been discovered.

However, since this did not occur all we have are bits and pieces of conversations tied together to create a flimsy story.

Here's something I'd like to ask and it relates to the timeline:

“About 11:15 or so the same gentleman and I-his friend from Washington-went to his room, entered by a side door after knocking on it vigorously and found him in his bed”.
...
Shortly after 1 P.M. he received a request to handle an Inquest for a “dead body” back in his County”.

Why is there a two hour window in between the discovery of the Justice and calling someone to report the body?

And also:

Guevera said she immediately recognized Scalia’s name as a US Supreme Court Justice and pronounced him dead over the phone at 1:52 p.m.

Pronounced at 1:52,

@cnn Have you heard the story about Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia dying in his sleep? Can you confirm?
#ScaliaDeath
1:59 PM - 13 Feb 2016

link

Tweeted about at 1:59? Possible differences due to time zone?

All external quotes from here, with the exception of the quoted tweet.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: audubon
“Beebe responded he was also far away, too, busy at the political forum. The deceased wasn’t identified. Bishop said she would find an alternate”.

“Bishop contacted the third choice, Presidio County Judge Cinderella Guevera”.

Well, that's helpful. The bit you quoted upthread doesn't mention Beebe at all, so it was misleading. In any case, all this shows is that Beebe was out of town and too busy. What is this meant to prove, exactly? It's not very suspicious is it.

The U.S.Marshall (presumably Ken Roberts) was trying to dissuade the JP from making the trip and indicating that an autopsy was not needed. He wasn't asking anything. He was saying that if the reason the judge was going to drive out there was to determine whether or not to order an autopsy, then the trip was not necessary and thus neither was the autopsy.

Nope, you are confusing two different things. The Judge was not required, because the cops could see nothing suspicious. The Judge still had the power to order an autopsy. That would mean taking the corpse to the morgue, but the Judge herself wouldn't have to drive over in a rented pick-up to transport it to the morgue and then perform the autopsy herself. That's not what Judges are for.

In the ABSENCE OF INFORMATION SUPPORTING ANY OTHER CAUSE

No other information was available to give to his doctor because what information JP Guevara had was minimal at best and the result of a (twenty minute, continually interrupted) conversation over the phone with a deputy who has a history of questionable judgement in cases of unexplained death.

If a proper inquest had been performed, and an autopsy ordered it is entirely possible other mitigating factors could have been discovered.

The reason there was 'no other information' is because there was no other information, not because no-one looked for it.

There is a complete absence of information indicating that the moon is made of green cheese. That doesn't mean it's likely. It doesn't even mean it is entirely possible.

The cops thought there was nothing suspicious about it, nor did Scalia's own doctor, and Scalia's family themselves requested no autopsy.

These people were variously at the scene (and were criminal investigators), knew the deceased (and were trained in medicine and health), and were related to him (self-explanatory), and they made a different set of decisions to the decisions that some complete strangers on the internet think should have been made.

I have to say, without wishing to cause offence, I find their opinions carry more weight than yours.

However, since this did not occur all we have are bits and pieces of conversations tied together to create a flimsy story.

I think you will find that criminal investigators and judicial representatives refer to this as 'witness testimony'.

Why is there a two hour window in between the discovery of the Justice and calling someone to report the body?

There isn't. There is a two-hour window between the body being discovered and the Judge being called. In that two-hour window, the police had to arrive at the scene, conduct an examination, speak to the other people at the ranch, liaise with their department, and finally contact the Judge.

The cops also had to travel to the scene of the death. It's not clear how far away they were when they were dispatched, but Presidio County covers 2,400 square miles, so it could easily have been a very considerable journey.

Tweeted about at 1:59? Possible differences due to time zone?

Maybe, maybe not. I can't see how this little issue is significant in any case.