All cops are crooked...seriously

Originally posted by Nygdan

Originally posted by creamsoda
All cops are crooked...seriously

I know a few cops, none of them are crooked. Therefore, you are wrong.

Don't the TOS of the group forbid blanket insults at entire groups of people? Isn't that what this is?

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You know a FEW cops...I dont know alot, but I guess its because of what ive seen. Police brutality is a sad thing.

Cops you know are always going to be nicer to you than those you don't know. That doesn't mean they're not arseholes to other people. While I've only known maybe 8 cops, I've met alot more. It's different when they're trying to bust you for anything they can. Some of them are overly gung-ho and will do anything to get their fix, which is arresting you for something.

All cops are crooked...seriously

The stated assertion and assumption is already flawed, it uses the word, "all."
That would be like saying:
All ravens are black.
A panther is not a raven.
Therefore, a panther is not black.

Better yet, it would be like saying:
Some animals are humans.
Some animals are fish.
Therefore, some fish are humans.

Not all cops are crooked.




seekerof

seeker...we're typing to blind eyes...cop haters are usually so stuck in their ways that they'll never change...I have an example...my Uncle was a cop in the Bronx for 15 yrs....on this particular occasion...an apt building was burning down...and him and his partner...ran in...and pull some people out...the news showed up...a photographer asked on of the people whom my uncle pull out to take a picture of him and my uncle for the news paper...what did the guy say...."Im not taking no picture with the police"...the news guy replied..."but he just saved your life"....the guy..."Im still not taking no picture with the police"...the guy was about 50yrs old...what happens...the take a pic of the cops and just put the in the paper...my point...even after his life had been saved by the cops...he still hated them...people like that disguist me...

That sort of depends on where you live, what race you are, and what reasons the police have given you to hate them. A best friend of mine had a father in law who reminded me of the bad lieutenant. Not only was he a drunk, but he was a very abusive and hateful cop. The stories he would tell about beating ni*gers up would leave me in a polite state of disbelief. I couldn't say a word. It was sick. Believe it or not, he was a good cop at one time, supposedly. What happens to turn them so bitter and hateful? It's a rare cop who doesn't end up that way, IMO.

i live around chicago, and i have to say this guy is right. I actually live in a town where all the cops do is pull teenagers over for going 5 over the speed limit... that isn't a joke, and it is a waste of money to be paying these guys for only 5 mile an hour speeding tickets. Granted cops are a neccessity, and not every cop is crooked, but in Chicago, the vast majority are! Chicago is just a crooked town, that needs to be cleaned up, starting with Mayor Daley!

well...my uncle worked in the south bronx..worst area in the city...my uncle is a polish jew (married in to the family...im not polish...lol)...but even still...some things should pass all racial lines...he obviously wasnt racist and odds are a decent cop if he didnt wait for FDNY and ran in himself to save a black man from an engulfed building....

I would suggest that the valid complaints here are symbolic of a more widespread situation. I say valid because blanket generalisations based on what people do as a job, their colour, religion, favourite sport or whatever are just naturatually wrong. (There you go, I just made a blanket generalisation about blanket generalisations.)


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Police are professionals. So are teachers, doctors, lawyers and many other types of work that we deal with every day of our life. So we have news reports of...
...lawyers scamming peoples money
...teachers teaching kids, then sleeping with them
...doctors who molest patients under anethesia, operate drunk, prescribe the wrong drugs or generally screw-up.
...pro athelites that are on steriods or whatever

Maybe professionalism is becoming a thing of the past. Above are just a few hurredly put together examples. Standards have been declining across the board for a long time. So it isn't surprising if not every police officer can live up to the ideals of their profession.

HOWEVER, these are mostly incidents that are just becoming more widespread (or even just more widely reported).

On the subject cops I have dealt with them for various reasons from firearms to speeding, even socially occasionally and I have invariably found them firm but polite. I have seen others get into strife talking to the police and that has been because of their own attitude when they start.

I appreciate it is different here. Ours don't even carry a gun generally in NZ, but the principle should be pretty much the same. Sure theres "bad cops", but replace the word "cops" with any area of human work or endeavour and the statement would probably also be true. If you want to blame someone for it, blame yourself as a member of the society that creates these attitudes.

On a closing note about police, ask yourself this: "Could I do their job?"

Then after you have said "Yes, of course I can", ask yourself if you can do it while truly upholding the ideals outlined above in the face of a population that hates you simply for the uniform you wear. Because if you can't look past a cops uniform and see a person doing a job, how could you do that for others when you are the cop? Will you go harder on Parking Wardens for example because "everyone hates them"? Or brunettes, because you prefer blonds?

[edit on 24-1-2005 by whita]

Originally posted by Seekerof
Better yet, it would be like saying:
Some animals are humans.
Some animals are fish.
Therefore, some fish are humans.

Whatchu smoking on Seekerof? Can I get some....

Seriously though - ya lost me on that one! But I see what you're saying...

Excellent post whita - I think you've encapsulated the momentum this thread never had....It's been 4 pages of "Cops are pigs b/c they arrested me" crap...

Although - There are some very sad posts and situations that people have been put in that are humiliating, embarrassing and immoral...But that can happen anywhere....

Hell - Look at the personal trainer world in gyms.....I could name a whole slew of people I've known who've been fired for sexual harassment....They got the power - You think your girl's personal trainer works out her inner thighs on one of those leg-spreading machines every other day b/c he cares about her muscle tone?

It's all about each persons moral stance on why they come to work and how they spend their time there....

I've already said it before, and I've been overlooked twice in this thread...As have most people who are disagreeing with this rash idea that ALL cops are power-hungry corrupt dickheads....

And it just goes to show you why so many people have problems with the law - b/c they just won't listen to other people's soundly argued viewpoints....It takes force for some people to learn...

I must say that this post is absolutely dispicable I can't believe the reasons you people put forward as your reasons for hating the police. As for fines most people try to avoid them so therefore they don't speed. that's how it works. Second of all the police are their own mini society there are some bad some stupid but mostly good just like in regular society. Heaven forbid we tell stories of evertime a police officer said hello or drove by after seeing you make a bonehead move in traffic. It's just terrible if you people wanted to do something about it why don't you go get an education get yourself in some kind of shape and join and try to turn things around in your life and the people you meet. Until then I hope you continue to get speeding tickets just to spite the system remember every dollar they take from you goes back into government purses to be put into some sort of social program for the upstanding law-abiding citizens of the world.

Why would the police be worrying about people speeding a little bit or people having a party and what not. They should be more concerned on matters such as protection matters. I mean things like Marijuana, coke, all those kind of drugs. There here to protect. Yeah maybe on person calls the police because a party is getting loud. If it is not on their property, they should not be able to do anything about it. I have not had this problem but I am just using this as an example.

Originally posted by creamsoda
Why would the police be worrying about people speeding a little bit or people having a party and what not. They should be more concerned on matters such as protection matters. I mean things like Marijuana, coke, all those kind of drugs. There here to protect. Yeah maybe on person calls the police because a party is getting loud. If it is not on their property, they should not be able to do anything about it. I have not had this problem but I am just using this as an example.

Speeding... lets see.... ITS ILLEGAL !!! When you're speeding there's more chance of losing control of your vehicle, its dangerous and you could kill someone much easier than if you were obeying traffice laws !

Party - hmmm what's the age of the people attending this party ? is there drinking ? If so, underage drinking ? Anyone causing a disturbance ? Loud music, yelling... fighting maybe ? Anyone at this party secretly selling - distributing drugs ?

I have no idea why the police would "interrupt" someone's party...


Jeeez...

Originally posted by BasementAddix
well...my uncle worked in the south bronx..worst area in the city...my uncle is a polish jew (married in to the family...im not polish...lol)...but even still...some things should pass all racial lines...he obviously wasnt racist and odds are a decent cop if he didnt wait for FDNY and ran in himself to save a black man from an engulfed building....

To me, that's beside the point. I'd do the same to save anyone. I wouldn't even have to think about running into a burning building to save someone, and I'm not a cop or a fireman. It would just be automatic. If no rescue team is available, of course I'm going to do whatever needs to be done. I'm not going to stand there and watch someone burn.
But I know what you're saying. The guy he saved was a complete jerk for saying something like that. If it were me, I would've told him, "I should've let you burn, I guess."

It was just an example as to show how some people hate cops no matter what good the cop has done...

Originally posted by whita
On a closing note about police, ask yourself this: "Could I do their job?"

Then after you have said "Yes, of course I can", ask yourself if you can do it while truly upholding the ideals outlined above in the face of a population that hates you simply for the uniform you wear. Because if you can't look past a cops uniform and see a person doing a job, how could you do that for others when you are the cop? Will you go harder on Parking Wardens for example because "everyone hates them"? Or brunettes, because you prefer blonds?

Actually, I've asked myself that question many times. The same answer always comes to mind. "I wouldn't even want that job."
The reasons do not include an inability to do any of the tasks they do, but a problem with my own principles. See, there's no way I could ever enforce a law I don't agree with. My principles are far too important to me to just throw them away for a job. I live by my morals and principles. It bothers me that those who are enforcing the laws are people who have no problem going against their own principles. There's a word for that: hypocrite.
This is the main reason policemen are hated, IMO. Nobody likes a hypocrite. Sure, there are some cops who believe whole-heartedly in every law they enforce. I've never met one, though. I've also never met a cop who doesn't break some of the same laws he enforces.

See, there's no way I could ever enforce a law I don't agree with.

Right because then you would be a hippocrate.

thats why most police depts drilling into your head this word....discretion...

Why do alot of them have to be hippocrates about alot of things? Like speeding, they speed as well as we do, hell im sure some dont wear their seatbelt (lol). Some of them act like they are a superhuman or something. Not all of them, yall proved me on that one, but alot of them are really bad.

Originally posted by creamsoda
Some of them act like they are a superhuman or something. Not all of them, yall proved me on that one, but alot of them are really bad.

heeeyy.... we're getting some where...

now we've gone from ALL, to SOME and then A LOT

Yeah I narrowed down to only 10% of all cops are bad.