Tom De Longe with answers about UFOs, Life, the Universe and Everything...

originally posted by: Enderdog
a reply to: mirageman

Are you refering to blue avians here? Either kind?

No, if you click the link in that post it will give you a list of the people involved. "The Aviary" are (or at least were) a group of scientists, intelligence agents and military officers all involved in the various parapsychology, mind control research and the UFO topic. Although their actual role in it all has never been fully clear.

This thread may help explain a lot more : The Men In Black(OPs) The Aviary & UFOs

originally posted by: beetee
Ok. So these people in this meeting. Some pretty prominent people in the US Military, yes?

At least two very well placed individuals, when active.
And company connections in a third to, among others, Boeing and Raytheon.

And the host of the meet seems to be Podesta, rather than Delonge, if I read the relevant mails correctly. So I guess he must have made contact, yes?

Don't know what it signifies though.

BT

I don't think anyone has pointed out yet, in this thread, that the Sony hack revealed a very large and obvious connection to Rand Corporation. While for most of the gull....er...general public, it was about petty racism....or naked movie chicks...there was much in there, related to the content of popular entertainment and how to craft the underlying messages.

Predictive programming is a thing. And we as a society, are saturated in it. And while I understand that Almost any kind of motive can be ascribed to it, the fact of the matter, is that we are a visceral species, and must be handled a bit carefully. Scaring the bejeebus out of everyone, is not in the best interests of anyone charged with managing our evolution...whether they are evil reptilian overlords, or angels of light, or benevolent aliens, or military protector types....or even the flying spaghetti monster.

Examining the metadata of thematic trends in pop entertainment can be very instructive I think. In the last few years, we have been exposed to a number of ideas, that I think stand out. Time and dimensional travel....generational reconciliation....good and bad guys switching alliances in the face of changing circumstances...

A physicist even wrote a dryish coffee table book on the physics of "Interstellar". His premise was that everything in the movie, science-wise, is at least theoretically possible, from our current knowlege. And there were a number of things in the movie that we just seemingly tossed in with no explanation. Deep gravity wells that change clockspeed of time....Artificial Intelligence with a positive relationship toward humans and a very good sense of humor....a Timespace complimentary balance to dimensional Spacetime, where time has volume, and space is linear...and a few more.

Ok. I guess I am rambling now. At any rate....I do think we are being gradually soft sold....probably by many different factions...so that when the "truth" comes out....whatever that turns out to be, we are disposed to exercise our free will in a manner that doesn't wreck anything higher than our meat-puppet selves.

Be well!

Pitching is one thing, development is another.
I'm going to put some feelers out this weekend to see which of these power player production companies gave his project a chance in development or even green lit it.

Maybe after the Podesta name drop someone did just that
I'll let you know.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

When it comes to humans, there are always warring factions at cross purposes, even when they are ostensibly on the 'same side'. I'm very curious whether this is the C.E.'s plan..

Could be. Let's go full on conspiratorial for a bit of fun. In the spirit of the TDL project though remember this is fiction from non-fiction.

Things have been simmering since Hillary talked about UAPs on TV. Albeit briefly and vaguely but she made it clear her intent to get at whatever was being concealed. Someone knew these emails were going to be leaked and was quite happy about the Podesta/DeLonge inner circle information getting out there. Someone else didn't. Assange gets his internet cut off.

But the emails are still slowly getting drip fed. Hillary looks virtually home and dry in the election. Podesta is preparing for the big (or small) disclosure as soon as Hillary has finished swearing in on the Bible.

Boom! The FBI suddenly say they want to re-open investigations into use of her private email server.

"We [the FBI] do not yet know the significance of the findings"......

But somebody wants to get to what else might get leaked before the world finds out the scary truth. Abductions are real but they are not real as we perceive reality. They are psychic manifestations that are real only to the experiencer. Our consciousness is being played with and distorted for nefarious purposes and sick entertainment. Ultimately these aliens are after 'our souls'.






(Brits, Irish and Australians may understand the double meaning of 'our souls' better than other English speakers)

a reply to: mirageman

The "aliens" ARE our "souls".

Since we are having "fun".

But TDL/"Aviary" (hold my nose to use that stupid term)/Collins Elite/MIC/Stargate Conspiracy/UN-based pseudo-theosophists and all the factions will never admit that to the public.

It takes out the drama.

It removes the ability to control us with silly good/evil morality plays.

But it's impossible to actually believe what I just said, unless you've
been down in the bunny hole with the gang. It will just be more noise.

So yah, let's call what I just said fiction.

And as I'm not "attention seeking", I think that I'll let the other kids play
in the sandbox for a while. I am retired after all.

Kev

As an aside, it appears Tom's second book may be available for pre order(due out March,2017) on Amazon

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Was that a clone joke!?

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: mirageman

You're so in my ballpark. I wrote something years ago that was published in UFO Magazine that said basically exactly what you're saying now. Thanks for the memories.

You know....this kind of thing...the thread, I mean....is exactly what caused me to join ATS some decade ago. And while it has waxed and waned many times, in terms of direction and content, I'm glad I did. I seldom share anything from here directly. Too far out there, for most of my family and friends to consider thoughtfully from their comfort zones/boxes.

Anyway....I just wanted to say thanks.

a reply to: mirageman

Bigger than Jesus? All we need is love....

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Do you think anything changed with the 2012 precession of the eqinoxes?

a reply to: ctj83

Great post!

I have been very impressed with the amount of actual open-minded skepticism on this thread. Very little of the lately usual ATS stuff.

Personal Hobby Horse....I will be pissed if Hillary turns out to have been one of the good guys....OTOH, I can't wait to discuss all of this at the cast party!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

By some definitions, ATS itself is a self-organizing mind. Perhaps an embryonic AI, in the infosphere?

a reply to: AboveBoard

I personally did backtrack into the NASA photo database, to confirm what is now commonly referred to as the Black Knight Satellite and d/led high res pics, about a decade ago. This is the first I've heard of multiple objects though.

a reply to: mirageman

Interestingly and seemingly coincidentally, I have lived in Dayton Ohio most of my life.

Sometimes it takes something as #e or profound as this
for Souls to check out their frequency.

#e is a bad word?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Cool! I've never been "channeled" before!! lol! I find that highly amusing, having witnessed (supposed) "channeling". It would be hilarious!

I know what you meant though... I'm actually flattered.

(Though I would probably try to sing Arias whilst channelling, you must be forewarned...)

a reply to: Impodog

Hey thanks, Impodog.

You had me all the way up to "The above has been known by Buddhist for 2600yrs".

The funny thing to me is that the #42 is not really the final answer to "Life, The Universe and Everything". In Adam's book the supercomputer, Deep Thought, provides the answer "42" because he wasn't asked the right question.

Deep Thought goes on to say that although he can't tell them what the right question is, he will build for them the mightiest computer that has ever been, purpose-designed to guide them to the right question: The Earth!

That is essentially how I see it (the joke?) too: It's just us and the earth. There's no AI. We are in a tightly wound symbiotic relationship with our Earth and its Moon that drives us to dream and create tools and technology from the bounty of the Earth itself.

We're not flying around out there in space, and we are not inhabiting "bases" on the Moon.

Our bodies begin to disintegrate when we leave the safety of our biosphere.

We are just stuck here with Us and our Stuff. Which incidentally is way cooler than "Aliens".

The world is not as solid as it appears everything is made of awareness. In fact awareness came first and everything else appears in it.

I think of it as "Network" rather than "Awareness", like, "We have network", rather than, "We have awareness".

Anyhow, thanks for sharing, I enjoyed reading your post.

More tidbits from the Grant Cameron interview mentioned earlier : www.abovetopsecret.com...

A bit more on the 3 groups involved in this 'project'.

.....The third group is sort of like Edgar Mitchell-type. Positive, more spiritual, it’s more than aliens. Consciousness is the basis of this thing. That would be their take.

If you take a look at Tom Delonge, his is a very negative view. This is bad news. Aliens have been giving us different religions, different weapons and having to fight with each other.

[The first group Podesta and Hillary]

They’ve got all the intelligence sources. They’ve got all the money and they are going to have the best answer of what the intelligence is behind this phenomena. And it almost seems like it’s more of a straight core story that we are being visited by extraterrestrials, there’s been a crash, we’ve back-engineered some of this stuff and we’re doing the best we can.......

It’s fine for someone to say I believe there is life in outer space. Microbes on Mars or whatever. It’s another thing to say "They are here". That’s a big step. And Hillary has actually hinted that They may already be here!

This is so far beyond anything we can imagine.... if you go to Edgar Mitchell, this whole idea of you have two different laws in the universe. You either have Newtonian physics, we are separate particles in a random universe floating around and banging into each other. Or you have the dual slit experiment, where a particle does not appear in time and space until there is an observer. That’s the whole idea that consciousness is the ground of all being. This is what it’s about. This really, really complex scenario where we really don’t know what’s going on at all. We’re just getting little glimpses.

So there you have it. This is all about the fusing of nuts and bolts alien spacecraft with the 'spiritual' side of all things alien. Then topping it all with the danger they pose to humanity. Have we ever heard this before? It all seems a bit of a mixed message and some tired old ideas.

Grant Cameron then elaborates:

[On abductions]

You ask the experiencers and you say, ‘Is this evil?’ Only 9% say it’s evil. You say, ‘If you had to do this over again? If you could get the aliens to stop doing it?

83% would say, ‘No, don’t stop it.’

....So we have this idea that it’s some sort of invasion. And I maintain through my discussions with Mary Rodwell that if you regress everybody deeply and you ask them, ‘Did you agree to be in this situation?', everybody will agree that this was something they planned before they came in here. That this is not abduction. This is an agreement to raise consciousness and these people are playing a role in the whole thing...........


...As to cattle mutilations, we may not know what is going on. Iit may look very bad, but if you were doing cattle mutilations, why would you not take that cow with you? Why would you drop it in front of everybody for people to investigate and make it so bizarre? It’s like this is message time. This is to make people think. Because otherwise, you just drop the cow and take it. If you need the fluid or you need whatever, why would you drop the cow? That’s the $64k question.

Again it's a massive assumption to make that abductions and cattle mutilation are on the agenda here. At this stage I was impressed that crop circles in Wiltshire had not been thrown into the equation.

But there's even more...

...It all comes down to this idea of consciousness being the basis of the thing. That’s how They (aliens and abductees) fly the craft. That’s how they move around in time and space. You have to understand 'oneness'. There is no time. There is no space. There is no physical universe. It’s all consciousness and it’s like a dream thing. 'They' understand this and we don’t.

We still think it’s a physical 3D world of time and space. We’re still living in the rules of Newtonian physics and we believe that things are measurable and that time is a real thing, and space is a real thing.

a reply to: Enderdog

So nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about...


I get the feeling that Grant Cameron was injecting his own views into the narrative and passing them off as facts. Old theories were being dressed up as new ideas. He may be spot on or totally way off with these assertions.

But I think we all have to agree this topic has now gone well beyond a punk-pop act talking about his UFOs

a reply to: mirageman

The thing that gets me is that Hilary is briefed and media trained for each media opportunity (read interview). Typically a politician will be trained to stick to no more than three key points to focus on and to keep things coming back to them.

Of course, it depends hugely if the interviewer is friendly or controversial.

Although the intensity may vary, either way a well trained PRO will recognise the following:

- the media opportunity is a very scarce resource in terms of finite minutes
- the ability to communicate key policy points is even scarcer

So why:
- waste media training on the topic?
- waste Hilary's time practising talking about UAPs?
- waste audience mindshare on that topic versus other more mainstream ones

My point being, any politician undergoing media training for an interview would have a defined goal, message and journey involving 3 points.

You don't waste oxygen or training / preparation on this for no reason.

Yet from the emails we can see Podesta talking about Tom and Blink 182 to the rest of the team.

Whatever this is, it is too slow for an October Surprise and it's clear Podesta has genuinely believed in this phenomena for decades. Unless you believe this is the longest con ever.

I find that unlikely.

Next, in our modern world it would be implausibile to not employ predictive programming, spin etc. These were used in the 40s and 50s for everything from nuclear weapons to Sputnik and beyond.

In other words whatever this is we can't dismiss or downgrade it based on the use of marketing. Without that the message could be lost or twisted.

Can we dismiss it due to commercialisation of the message? Well, I don't dismiss Vallee because of his books - - without them I would never have discovered his options and insights for myself.

Which leaves us with just two things to consider
- what is going to be communicated
- why is it deemed important enough to inject into Hilary's campaign

We can ignore the first for now and just consider the second. Our own personal theories, from lizard people to spaghetti monsters don't matter.

The real issue is why put in the effort - not only in the public eye but also far more behind?

Unless you believe all these emails were written with the intention they would become public?

a reply to: ctj83

Which leaves us with just two things to consider
- what is going to be communicated
- why is it deemed important enough to inject into Hilary's campaign

We can ignore the first for now and just consider the second. Our own personal theories, from lizard people to spaghetti monsters don't matter.

The real issue is why put in the effort - not only in the public eye but also far more behind?

Yep some very interesting points and questions of which we would like the answers to. So here is some pure speculation on my part.


Hillary and the possible "First Lad of the United States of America", her husband Bill Clinton, have long been interested in the UFO topic and tried to get to the bottom of it. There is a theory that 'disclosure' is put on the table every so many years for successive administrations to consider. However every time it has come up it has eventually been put back on the shelf and left for another administration to discuss.

In fact Bill Clinton did talk about his own attempts to get to the bottom of the UFO topic while he was in the Oval Office.

I did attempt to find out if there were any secret government documents that revealed things. If there were, they were concealed from me too. And if there were, well I wouldn't be the first American president that underlings have lied to, or that career bureaucrats have waited out. But there may be some career person sitting around somewhere, hiding these dark secrets, even from elected presidents. But if so, they successfully eluded me…and I'm almost embarrassed to tell you I did (chuckling) try to find out......

If I recall correctly (and I might not - so don't take this as absolute gospel) I seem to remember Bill Clinton mentioning that one of his aides actually unearthed code numbers of secret projects that the government were funding. But amazingly was told he didn’t have a “need to know" and they never found out what these projects were. Clinton (although he states in the later interview above that he wasn't convinced anything happened at Roswell) seemed to be annoyed at the original USAF report "The Roswell Report - Fact vs. Fiction in the New Mexico Desert" even mentioning a question about Roswell from a schoolboy in his Belfast peace address back in the mid 90s.

John Podesta was part of Clinton's staff in the 1990s and a close aide. So he would be well aware of this and probably played a part in attempting the uncovering the 'secrets' some twenty years ago. Assuming Hillary wins the US election, I think it will be the first time in a long time that a Democrat government has remained in place for a third term. Perhaps the Obama administration faced the 'disclosure' question and not enough information was available. But now maybe, as the older generation of political power brokers fade into retirement more information is becoming available, and it seems like a good time to 'disclose' whatever is on the agenda.

Why there is a need to appeal to the youth vote and get them to respect the heroics of the United States military I don't know. Maybe we need a new generation of soldiers to fight these evil aliens? Maybe it's because that generation will have to adapt themselves rapidly as the world changes? Or perhaps there is a trade-off going between all parties. Tom gets his answers to the UFO issue, the Democrats get support for the younger voters, the US military get a PR makeover after being used to expand the interests of Corporate America for 25 years.

Remember this is just idle speculation.