Tom De Longe with answers about UFOs, Life, the Universe and Everything...

He's made Twitter and FB posts past few days. Most about his band Angels and Airwaves

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Impodog

It's an English expression 'the burden of proof' same as the large weighty amount of proof

Yes indeed. Which country in the world do you think I come from?

Definition of "burden of proof" in English from our very own Oxford dictiionary.

The obligation to prove one's assertion

See : en.oxforddictionaries.com...

I don't want this thread to turn into an English comprehension lesson. Neither did I want it to seem like I am placing words into you mouth. But I think what you actually wanted to say was that the "weight of evidence for proof of ET is overwhelming?".

Which means we can now use the phrase "burden of proof" .That lies with you to prove your assertion about ET. You did however qualify that saying "I think". So it becomes an opinion in that case.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I will certainly have a look at the link you provided.

Apologies you seem to be correct my lack lustre grasp of English failed me.

a reply to: mirageman

I'm conflicted on one thing. Whilst I believe there are several things behind UFO phenomena, several of which are quite strange, I've generally not been too accepting of the idea of craft from another star.

However, for over 50 years a lot of MIC types have expended a lot of energy on this topic and I don't feel that was for no reason.

Now, according to Grant Cameron, we have 3 concurrent teams pushing for a disclosure event. I'd like to suggest that the three groups are:

- The Aviary - an 'insider' group I believe has strong suspicions but is still on the outside
- The Delonge group, comprised of various MIC character
- The Pedestal Democratic group who feel for whatever reason, that the truth needs to come out on this

It's my belief that one of those three knows the truth. One suspects but cannot prove it, and the other may be wide of the mark.

Whatever your beliefs though, it's quite clear that something is going on under the surface. I'd like to propose that whatever we are seeing now began at least as far back as Kit Green helping out John Burrough's with his VA medical claim. It also may relate to China investing heavily in SETI style technology.

What will it be? I'm not sure I believe in disclosure, so I'd like to paraphrase Kit Green.

When the truth comes out, it will be almost an anti climax. There won't be multiple races of nordics, lizards or galactic space probes that look like Mr Potato Head. Alien abductions won't be real. Nor will much of the mythology that we've been told.

It will come down to something more or less like this, even if it's not the truth.

At some point in the 20th century we were visited by a space probe from another star. It's taken us a long time to figure out everything about it. It''s not especially interesting, but it does mean we aren't alone. They aren't that bothered about us, which we've found out since we made contact but they do like to occasionally stop by.

That's it, nothing much more. Why? Certain ideas make people sick. They have repeatedly been injected into some of the top researchers in the field taking them from sane rational people, to those on the fringe.

Our yard stick of 'weird' no longer measure from everyday life to aliens from mars. It measures to disintegrating DEW, aliens that walk through walls, genetic engineering, mutilated cattle, extra dimensional demons, time tunnels, John Titors, lizard people posing as royals and a thousand other far out theories.

Consider that your inoculation, so that when life is found, you shrug your shoulders, accept it, and go back to keeping the economy running without losing your mind or fear killing half of us.

More emails coming out through Wikileaks.
Latest titled "Updates" is pretty interesting.

Just search for Delonge in the podesta emails on wikileaks.

BT

a reply to: Impodog

So you do think ET exists then? I think most people do to be honest. However the weight of evidence, heavy as it is, is still inconclusive . We have 'confirmation' there is a UFO phenomenon. But what we don't have is definite proof that any UFOs are spacecraft controlled by an extra-terrestrial presence.

Now the link you provided is very interesting:

John Podesta Email Update: A Story of UFO Disclosure

For those who don't know. Grant Cameron has spent many years trawling through Presidential Libraries for any official documents that might provide a link to what the top man may know on the UFO subject. Even what he doesn't know.

He seems to believe that there is a Clinton/Podesta push for more transparency on the UFO topic. Tom's group is another and then a 3rd group.....

These are not deep throats. They appear to be a group working from instructions from above them. Some are government, some retired, and some civilians. The group I have had very brief encounters with has at least seven people that I know of . There are probably more players than in the DeLonge disclosure initiative. I know four of the players. I know for a fact that there are at least two crossovers between the two disclosure groups. The key guy in DeLonge's group and this third group may be the same. There are contacts in Washington and a possible connection to the White House. There may, therefore, be a contact to Podesta but I am not sure. There is high confidence about the end goal.

The reason people have not heard of this effort is the fact that there is no spokesperson. I am not a player. I do not interfere. I just watch with interest and appreciate any information I am given. I have had very short conversations with two of the players. I just hear things from time to time. I am told of a three-year time frame. I have the highest regard for the people I know in this group.

I am asked how reliable are the sources I have talked to. The answer is - and people can quote me on it, “I would bet my life on them.”

My conclusion to what is going on has not changed. I have stated and written for decades that there is a program within the United States government to acclimatize the American public to the reality of some sort of non-human intelligence on earth. There are scores of examples.

As a side note, the aliens are doing exactly the same thing but that is another article.



Source : whitehouseufo.blogspot.co.uk...

Hmmm

a reply to: ctj83

I disagree with large parts of your opinion.

I know some of these people you are calling "the aviary", and all I'll say is that this mythogical treatment they get is 90% pure nonsense.

As for the MIC people, im not one of them, but i did have a secret clearance in nuclear power and prototype nuclear subs...was fully qualified all systems...so i roll my eyes a lot on black project talk...but yes...there is no doubt some really kick butt stuff being researched...but in my estimate not deserving of the crazy talk.

Podesta? All indication is that he's a flim/flam bs puppet. So anyone he's associated with cannot possibly be credible.

In closing, if you aren't talking C.E. and the "Stargate Conspiracy" you are leaving out more than 75% of what's worth knowing.

Imho.

One more subject you didn't mention.

If you don't discuss the topic of schizophtenia, then you are missing another big chunk of the topic that certain of the people you mentioned talk about in great detail.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

As a side note, the aliens are doing exactly the same thing but that is another article.

hmmm indeed

i suspect that within three months of 'aliens landing on the whitehouse lawn' pretty much everyone would've 'acclimatised' and be going on about their business

maybe this is all a bit more 'down to earth'

originally posted by: beetee
More emails coming out through Wikileaks.
Latest titled "Updates" is pretty interesting.

Just search for Delonge in the podesta emails on wikileaks.

BT

Impressive. Assuming that Assange's exposure of it didn't kill the project....

a reply to: aynock

Starred for using a Radiohead song

a reply to: AboveBoard


Here is a link for all the Podesta/DeLonge emails : Likiweaks

After reading that and the Grant Cameron piece it does feel like something is brewing. Even though I don't know exactly what.

There has been recent talk about the building blocks of life found on comets, speculation about life on Europa, and once again Mars today. We've recently been told of exo-planets possibly capable of harbouring life (including one next door Proxima B). These stories have all featured prominently in the media recently. Next year is also the 70th anniversary of the Roswell incident.

Maybe there is something more to it all. Perhaps the 'trigger' point has been reached or almost reached. Perhaps once microbial or even some kind of 'life' outside Earth is confirmed then the 'disclosure' plan has to be accelerated.

What if the truth is we found something in orbit, or on the moon, or buried here on Earth and we knew it wasn't ours? But that is all we've got in 70 years. No idea where it was from, who sent it and what it was for. So a plan was put in place and once we found life out there that plan would then be actioned? Maybe that plan is at least being slowly organized?

Don't forget it's All a theory. I am just trying a 180° take on my own original view.

a reply to: mirageman

To wit (re: "something is brewing"), the Washington Post has the 'mysterious' death of Max Spiers on its front page, currently.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I think we might have got our wires crossed Kev! I largely agree with your assessment.

Youre not disagreeing with my opinions with that post You're disagreeing with a factual situation and Kit Green.

It doesn't matter if you agree or not with the concepts or ideas behind this 'disclosure' attempt. The emails are on wiki leaks. You can see various photos. It's the fact it's going on that I'm referring to. Doesn't matter one jot if I or you agree or not or if there is any reality to their ideas.

You mentioned that you think I'm wrong on The Aviary. Well, seeing as I said that they are one of the groups but they are still outsiders I think I'm saying exactly what you are?

MIC having nothing to say. Can't say I disagree but the fact they are disproportionately represent in ufology experts is simple fact. Regardless of quality. Some are involved in Delonges attempt. See today's release for his Skunk Works contact.

I probably formatted the rest badly but the nature of disclosure / Kit Green's opinion on the effects of disclosure are not mine. I did say I was paraphrasing - and I included it because I think the Aviary are one of the three proposed groups. You can read his opinions on ATS

Why no mention of Stargate Conspiracy, lab9 or schizophrenia? Just that this isn't about my opinion or theories on the phenomena but rather the unfolding situation with DeLonge, Podesta et al.

a reply to: mirageman



I appreciate the effort! Big things are in play, hopefully still. It could all go up in smoke and I will hate Assange forever. (Okay, that's an exaggeration. Just this lifetime.... LOL!)

Anyway. I feel bad for him having all this exposed. Perhaps it will end up being for the best, now that it seems pretty "real." It could still all be a "well told fish story" but I'm thinking not, at least in part.

Good on you for being your own Devil's Advocate! Not everyone can do that...

a reply to: ctj83

Ok, then.

Thanks for clarifying.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I'd have no issue whatsoever with these sorts of things being true.

These have nothing to do with the grand deception campaign.

Kev

a reply to: vlawde

in that case, here's another one!

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I was abit taken by surprise by what you said here:

Podesta? All indication is that he's a flim/flam bs puppet. So anyone he's associated with cannot possibly be credible.

Now, I don't know Mr Podesta, so I have no idea what kind of person he is, but I sort of always thought he was more or less genuinely interested in the whole UFO phenomenon.

I would certainly be interested in knowing how you arrived at this conclusion about him.

I have been reading his published e-mails a bit (yes, I know, it is an immoral and terrible thing and I am ashamed) and so far he comes through as the typical politico type. A bit of dishonesty here, a bit of nastyness there, but I am not seeing anything very omnious.

Besides, as someone with a bit of experience in the IT field and a bit of background from Signals and communications in the Army (not the US one btw), I can't help feeling that anyone who think that using gmail to mastermind some grand scheme of nefarious deception, is at best very poor at it.

The other possibility is, of course, that all these e-mails are designed to come out, but with the amount of fallout elswhere I find that hard to believe.

I would really like your angle on him, if you can be bothered to explain, because if this is going to be as monumental a PR campaign as that last e-mail suggests, then we need to look very closely indeed at the sincerity Mr Podesta and his merry band of co-conspirators.

I would also be very interested to know who you believe are pulling the strings of this particular puppet?


BT

a reply to: beetee

Well maybe I've been watching too much "House of Cards" ;-)

But being a public figure, Mr. Podesta certainly has a lot of information out there about him. As we all know, politics is one of the nastiest businesses out there. It seems to be a form of organized criminal activity. Of course there are semi-honest politicians. I do not wish to smear Mr. Podesta any more than I already have. Other than the fact I "shook my contact tree" about him and this whole business, I only have the same information available as you do.

Now as to who is pulling the strings.

Level 1 of delusion comes out at the Media level - World Wide Web sites, Ancient Aliens shows, MUFON, etc.
Targets at this level of delusion is most everybody.

Level 2 of delusion comes out at the MIC and Intelligence agencies levels.
Targets at this level of delusion are these people and a few researchers.

The MIC and Intelligence agencies have been pushing the UFO delusion for a long time, as a cover story. You can read really excellent articles on that topic on ATS, from MIrageman, Isaac Koi, The GUT -- all over.

I'd say that Tom D. is being deluded at this basic level.

Level 3 of the delusion is being pushed by a world-wide occult organization level. You can read about *some* of this level
in the book "The Stargate Conspiracy by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.
Targets at this level of delusion are the MIC, Intelligence Agencies, the "occult scientists" and the C.E.

Level 4 of the delusion is the layer that deals with the fact that humans are incubation chambers for another form of life,
This is the core ugly truth that nobody really wants to know.
Targets at this level of delusion are the world-wide occult organization and a handful (in the dozens?) of "practitioners".

So, IMHO, Tom is being deluded at a very surface level, so I can't get too excited about anything that he or Podesta and others at that delusion level have to say.

But that's just me. Your mileage may vary.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thank you for your imput.

Just a quick follow up question, thich immediately struck me when I read your answer and the levels of delusion.

Level 4 of the delusion is the layer that deals with the fact that humans are incubation chambers for another form of life, This is the core ugly truth that nobody really wants to know. Targets at this level of delusion are the world-wide occult organization and a handful (in the dozens?) of "practitioners".

What I would like to get your view on is who, in your opinion, are pushing this layer of delusion? Would you say that the culprit is that entity or entities that is hidden by this layer or someone else?

Would you agree that in a sense this is not so very different from what a lot of the people who seems to think that the whole UFO thing is a relighious / spiritual struggle would say, only withouth the old and established terms and labels? I mean the term "spirit" or "demon" or "trickster" or whatever is just a name for something, right, same as "entitiy"?

The difference is perhaps that they are trying to fit it into their existing religious/philosohical/spirtual/humanistic framework.

I myself am not in the religious/spiritual camp just yet on the UFO phenomenon, being somewhat stuck between level 1 and level 2 on your scale :-)

BT