Tom De Longe with answers about UFOs, Life, the Universe and Everything...

a reply to: Impodog

I think the burden of proof for ETs is overwhelming.

No I qualified it with 'I think' therefore it is just my opinion.

No I am afraid that still does not make sense. How can you think the onus for proving ETs be overwhelming?

a reply to: mirageman

It's an English expression 'the burden of proof' same as the large weighty amount of proof

Great article by Grant Cameron he reckons there are three disclosure attempts being made so maybe we will be a lot closer to the truth soon

whitehouseufo.blogspot.co.uk...

a reply to: Impodog

It's an English expression 'the burden of proof' same as the large weighty amount of proof

Yes indeed. Which country in the world do you think I come from?

Definition of "burden of proof" in English from our very own Oxford dictiionary.

The obligation to prove one's assertion

See : en.oxforddictionaries.com...

I don't want this thread to turn into an English comprehension lesson. Neither did I want it to seem like I am placing words into you mouth. But I think what you actually wanted to say was that the "weight of evidence for proof of ET is overwhelming?".

Which means we can now use the phrase "burden of proof" .That lies with you to prove your assertion about ET. You did however qualify that saying "I think". So it becomes an opinion in that case.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. And I will certainly have a look at the link you provided.

a reply to: mirageman

Hey mirage,

But seriously, what would our intrepid ATS skeptics/experts believe? What could possibly cut through the general fog of cynicism and mistrust? And then there are those who think they already have it all or mostly figured out, so nothing that isn't directly in line with their own thinking could possibly be true...how are they going to be open to anything other than their own conclusions? (I'm not saying they are wrong, either, but if Tom is correct, then he will still just be repeatedly shot down here on the boards).

I honestly don't think it matters in the least what he has to say or what evidence he presents, there will be the usual back-and-forth arguments and judgements and besmirching of character as well as people who are unsure still, and those who believe. (not directing this at you specifically)

I am not advocating for or against what TD is saying. I can't yet. I'm all for caution!! I haven't seen where he's going with everything yet. I'm intrigued. I'm simply willing to find out and not be sarcastic about it or cut him down before he has a chance to put the whole thing out there (not saying you are doing this either). That's it. I'm holding space for possibility. Period.

He may fall flat on his face -- I don't know. He may be being used for an agenda -- I don't know. He may have really important information tucked into his theory that will be revealed, assuming the project is still happening now that the private emails are out in the public. He may put out a mix of true and false. He may blow our minds, or he may simply be a blowhard. Time will tell...

Story, by the way, is the best way to communicate "what happened" to a large audience. IF it is a TRUE story, there is benefit to that. That is what I said. That is what I stand by. IF it is FALSE, then it is detrimental. That seems obvious.

Oh - and he's back on instagram, so he's not fallen off the face of the earth. He is, however, completely quiet about the project. I get the sense that the revelation of the emails shook things up pretty good, though, with the cancellation of the book tour, etc.

a reply to: Impodog

Actually that's an interesting link you've found. I will come back to it at some point!

a reply to: mirageman

whitehouseufo.blogspot.co.uk...

was a planned event that was started by John Podesta who Politico described as " a sharp-tongued veteran operator known less for bluster than behind-the-curtain scheme spinning." 

It's intetesting what those who know him best say about Podesta. (Good link Impodog!)

a reply to: mirageman

Podesta
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Aviary

You guys might be interested in this thread, John Podesta’s Payoff for Helping Hillary Give American Military Technology to Russia’s Putin

a reply to: AboveBoard

But seriously, what would our intrepid ATS skeptics/experts believe? What could possibly cut through the general fog of cynicism and mistrust? And then there are those who think they already have it all or mostly figured out, so nothing that isn't directly in line with their own thinking could possibly be true...how are they going to be open to anything other than their own conclusions? (I'm not saying they are wrong, either, but if Tom is correct, then he will still just be repeatedly shot down here on the boards).

Yes there certainly has been a lot of fog and mistrust down the years. For longer than most of us have been alive. And we are all subject to our own hunches, gut feelings, beliefs, confirmation bias. I have actually become more sceptical as the years have gone by than I once was. But my gut feeling is that there really is something to it and we have yet to discover much at all about the true nature UFO phenomenon.(Believe it or not!)

What indeed could cut through the mistrust? I don't think the President of the UN flanked by a couple of ET ambassadors on TV is going to happen any time soon. However if the UN, NASA, ESA, SETI all confirmed 'we are not alone' the truth would be impossible to ignore. If Tom is correct after such an official announcement then it all depends how correct he was. If it turns out there is life on Europa then I think he would fall far short of credibility. If, on the other hand, he has hit home with a lot more of his assertions then it would be more difficult to ignore.

He may fall flat on his face -- I don't know.....

He may. It all depends on if or how he's being 'handled' and who is doing it. History shows us that those who have taken this route before have ended losing their way in a cesspit of misinformation. But maybe this really is the good guys behind this one. Generations pass and ideas change.

Time will tell...

Agreed.

Story, by the way, is the best way to communicate "what happened" to a large audience. IF it is a TRUE story, there is benefit to that. That is what I said. That is what I stand by. IF it is FALSE, then it is detrimental. That seems obvious.

Yes- look at what happened to that story about the Jewish carpenter's son and the turban legends. And Hollywood acting under the influence : www.theguardian.com...

More recently 'Argo' : www.telegraph.co.uk... upset the British and New Zealand diplomats who played their part helping out our allies.

Most fiction based on fact is unfortunately inaccurate to at least some extent. But even the news these days seems to be carefully processed.

..... I'm simply willing to find out and not be sarcastic about it or cut him down before he has a chance to put the whole thing out there (not saying you are doing this either).

I must correct you there. I get very sarcastic. But sometimes I even put little hidden jokes in my posts as well!

I get the sense that the revelation of the emails shook things up pretty good...

Who knows? Maybe it was all meant to be this way? It seems certain there are people in politics and the military willing to 'assist' Tom. But we must remain very vigilant of this 'assistance' as well. What Tom told us in the interview in the OP seems to be everything we've ever been told about UFOs by the generations that came before. Is all of that hotch-potch , including the spoon bending, true?

I honestly think if 'disclosure' was to come it will start with the finding of alien microbes in the solar system. A step above that would be the discovery of an alien artificial signal. One step further would be confirmation of an ancient alien artifact found here on Earth (or within the Solar System).

But if intelligent beings really are amongst us from elsewhere then surely they are the ones controlling the truth? Not us.

He repeatedly mocked Christ, pretty much sealing it for me what his agenda is.

I know plenty of people have their own opinions on the subject but the only religious figure he openly mocked was Jesus "God doesn't wear Birkenstocks" while laughing on several occasions and made it a point that this was a major point he'd like to express.

You can draw your own conclusions but this screams to me of demonic influence.

Call me crazy but i truly believe aliens are demons in some way, and this is just more deception.

his main points:
one world religion is good, trust the government, not all aliens are bad(humans aren't special, the universe is "TEAMING" with life), DNA is connected to the source, God was never in the flesh, BE AFRAID OF UFOs, Jesus is some comical character. All mixed in to the "NEW AGE" mud-pit to complete the confusion.

a reply to: buellmph

Well who knows

However what are 'demons' supposed to be?

a reply to: buellmph

Tom DeLonge?

Um. He said that calling out to Jesus could stop an "abduction." He also said it could be whatever figure one connects to as a Higher Power of love and light, and that was a "nuclear bomb" to the entities doing the "abductions."

So he may not align with a specific theology, but I don't think he's mocking spiritual power and presence or God as Source.

Anyway. I know the religious stuff is going to be a major issue for people accepting his theories.

I guess I just hear it differently. I think he was mocking the idea of a guy in the clouds with robes and a beard being "God." I didn't hear him mock Jesus.

Peace to you,
AB

a reply to: mirageman




And we shall see what we shall see...

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: buellmph

Tom DeLonge?

Um. He said that calling out to Jesus could stop an "abduction." He also said it could be whatever figure one connects to as a Higher Power of love and light, and that was a "nuclear bomb" to the entities doing the "abductions."

So he may not align with a specific theology, but I don't think he's mocking spiritual power and presence or God as Source.

Anyway. I know the religious stuff is going to be a major issue for people accepting his theories.

I guess I just hear it differently. I think he was mocking the idea of a guy in the clouds with robes and a beard being "God." I didn't hear him mock Jesus.

Peace to you,
AB

I just felt like it was a subtle attack on Christianity disguised as an argument for bringing all religions together. Which in some respects i do agree with, but a one world religion is a pretty clear sign to me of a certain agenda.

As for the Birkenstock joke, i really don't think anyone actually things the god from the Simpsons is their god. My first gut feeling was it was a stab at Jesus, it just hit me that way. I honestly didn't get that image of the Simpsons type white bearded god in the sky, for me it went straight to mockery.

I try to be open minded but after listening to the whole thing, too many points led me to my conclusion. Maybe he truly was just imaging white beard toga god, to me it felt otherwise.

a reply to: AboveBoard

In deed we shall... The $64,000.00 question remains, what will "it" be? ;-)

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
You guys might be interested in this thread, John Podesta’s Payoff for Helping Hillary Give American Military Technology to Russia’s Putin

If this link is actually true...i would consider anything Podesta touches to be pure BS, and that certainly includes this "UFO disclosure" which other links put Podesta right in the middle of since the beginning of the campaign.

a reply to: mirageman

Or if you call out the name of the source of galactic love. It’ll stop. Or if you call out the name of Buddha, in the love that Buddhism has, or whatever. It will stop?

It doesn’t matter what you call out. It is the fact that you are projecting positive energy and that is something that needs to be understood and studied.

What if you call out “get the f__k off me ” will they stop them too?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yep, I detail it in all of my posts in that thread.

Delonge talks up being hooked in with Spielberg and his crowd. You include that along with the drunk general (who's escapades took place in Moscow, btw) and the guy from skunk works, and the whole thing stinks.

Were all so paranoid, programmed in mistrust and ignorance and subjective conditioning we wont likely know of anything other than by chance.


I was reading one of Vallee’s books today, Messengers of Deception (great book btw) and he ends up as confused and ignorant as any of us despite all his attempts at research and his close associations with all kinds of UFO research from cattle mutilations to UFO cults, occultism worldwide and he still is stumped.


Vallee of course believes in some kind of UFO social conditioning experiment and the ultra- terrestrial theory

Another point about this “calling out to Jesus thing or Buddha” is this.


There’s an old saying “there’s some people the devil don’t even want.” Not that I’m calling aliens the devil but the point is the higher experimenters may not want certain kinds of thinking people...like religious people

There's also an occult or mystical-religous paradigm many here may not know.

And that is that the student must have TOTAL dedication to their master

The Aliens or whatever or whoever they are may not want religious people who are dedicated to some other authority.