Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Being God and we to be like him, we to are to have mercy and love for one who is a sinner.

Huh....then YHWH sure dropped the ball on that one, lol. Where's his mercy and love in all those "kill them for this and kill them for that" laws?

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Correct, and in addition to all of that he also denounced the Temple slaughterhouse sacrifices that the Mosaic law demands ridiculous amounts of and disrespected the Temple by causing a disturbance because it was a business, not a pacifist ideology but one of racial superiority and cruelty designed to instill overzealousness, all culminated in the Bar Kochba revolt and Jews became the permanent enemy of Rome causing endless persecution.

Not for nothing if Paul wasn't a part of the New Testament it would be more attractive to Jews, but the Romans were sure to eliminate any Jewish followers of Christ who didn't accept the Roman Pauline spin and destroyed all their books after plagiarizing and altering them to suit certain needs such as ''Give unto Caesar" and the virgin birth, non femininity of the Holy Spirit.

The Jewish Kabbalah has a lot in common with what I imagine to be the original teachings of Jesus and about Jesus and the Zohar has terminology from the New Testament like Golgotha, uses bride imagery and has a Mother aspect of God that is the Spirit and is feminine and called Shekinah. Pretty much the wife of God and they have a son and daughter that all correspond to a letter of the Tetragrammaton YHVH.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

The Pharisees that brought the woman were not interested in obeying the law or they would have brought the man she was caught in adultery with her for him to be stoned too, that is the fullness of the law the two shall be stoned, not just the woman.

So, do you think Jesus would have condoned the stoning if the religious rulers brought both of them to be stoned? I mean, it was the LAW of YHWH, correct?

Thy brought forth the woman in hopes of convicting Jesus of some sin as you do.

What sin would that be? They were trying to trap Him into seeing if He would follow the law of the Torah regarding stoning adulterers. Yet, He turned the tables on them AGAIN by showing them they had sin, as well, by telling the crowd that "he who has no sin, cast the first stone"....which, is NOT the case for that law given by YHWH. YHWH never said, "stone the adulterer if you have no sin". He just said..."if anyone is caught in adultery...stone them" (my paraphrase).
On top of that, exactly HOW am I convicting Jesus of sin? How the heck did you come up with that?? I said Jesus did not "fulfill the law of YHWH", because He DIDN'T. That doesn't come anywhere close to me saying He was sinning.
That's just retarded.

That is what Jesus did, he showed the full character of God but you do not.

Uh, well...yea, I agree with you on Jesus showing the full character of God (but it's not YHWH). I've repeatedly said that Jesus was showing the full character of the REAL God.
Do YOU show the full character of God, Chester?

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: SethTsaddik
I just believe that his life was mythologized

The crux of the matter is - do you believe he was the Christ? Whoever does not believe he was the Christ is deceived:

"Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist..." (1 John 2:22)

My beliefs are irrelevant, you are welcome to sift through my previous comments but the crux of the matter is not my beliefs but your constant incorrectness.

As I did say I don't deny Jesus was the Messiah and your quote from John doesn't apply. I guess you missed that though I thoroughly explained it.

a reply to: SethTsaddik

Correct, and in addition to all of that he also denounced the Temple slaughterhouse sacrifices that the Mosaic law demands ridiculous amounts of and disrespected the Temple by causing a disturbance because it was a business, not a pacifist ideology but one of racial superiority and cruelty designed to instill overzealousness, all culminated in the Bar Kochba revolt and Jews became the permanent enemy of Rome causing endless persecution.

Yes, and it was right after He went ballistic, made a whip and drove them and the animals out of the outer courts (right before Passover) that they were now plotting how to arrest and kill Him.

originally posted by: SethTsaddik

As I did say I don't deny Jesus was the Messiah...

So you do believe he literally came died and resurrected? That action is what atoned for the fall and rendered him as the savior of the world

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
a reply to: SethTsaddik

Correct, and in addition to all of that he also denounced the Temple slaughterhouse sacrifices that the Mosaic law demands ridiculous amounts of and disrespected the Temple by causing a disturbance because it was a business, not a pacifist ideology but one of racial superiority and cruelty designed to instill overzealousness, all culminated in the Bar Kochba revolt and Jews became the permanent enemy of Rome causing endless persecution.

Yes, and it was right after He went ballistic, made a whip and drove them and the animals out of the outer courts (right before Passover) that they were now plotting how to arrest and kill Him.

They treated him like a mock sacrifice to Azazel too, releasing one Jesus (Barabbas) and killing the other, the atonement ritual of Yom Kippur I think or the day of atonement. He even speaks about turning sins white as snow and at one point is accused of claiming the authority to forgive and judge sins, which is true, but as a Prophet his authority was bestowed and it is not to forgive directly but to lead to the path of forgiveness which involves baptism and the blessings of the Holy Spirit.

This, I believe, was the reason he was killed, revealing the Shekinah to the masses or the Divine Feminine, as the Gospel of the Hebrews has Jesus calling the Spirit his Mother, something I suspected before reading the quote from Hebrews Gospel.

This was erased even by the Romans who recognized in Judaism a way to oppress the people by claiming that law was dead but still using it when wanted, such as killing off entire sects with different beliefs not violent or a threat to government, just not what the government thought police wanted people to think.

And patriarchal dominance and slavery were key, Paul provided the necessary doctrine for that, changing the religion from a new liberal movement to an oppressive regime, while claiming freedom from the law of Moses.

Not at all what Jesus planned.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

the real question is why do you think that applies to you today?

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

No Jesus would have shown mercy to both just as he did with the one. He did not come to judge he came to save.

You claimed with no proof from the scriptures of any version that Jesus, and I quote ". . . broke all the laws." If he had broke all the laws then he is a sinner. But he did not and the only clear law that he was accused of breaking was the sabbath. And he showed he did not break it.

JHVH and YHWH are not the same God. You need to know that when Alexander the Great brought the Jews to Greece he had then translate the Books of the law, the Prophets, Psalms and Proverbs into Greek. They found that Jehovah's shortened name semi matched a Greek tribal god of wisdom whose Name was Yaweh. They removed letter from Yaweh and added one to make it look as though it was the same god of the intellectual elite of the day. They rendered a shortened form of YHWH to match that of the one true God JHVH. This was done to get the Greeks to accept their Scriptures and the prophecies concerning Alexander the great as found in the book of Daniel.

How ever even a 6 grader can tell that Jehovah and Yaweh are not the same name. And as I always say things tha are different are not the same.

But I will not endeavor any longer you have shown your self to be not forthcoming. To discuss any more with your is a futile endeavor and I would much rather go to other topics. My only purpose was to protect those young in Christ from your lies.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

The Bible today is a relic, only useful if not taken literally and to find the hidden meaning behind the stories and learn of the religious practices of a basically extinct religion as most Jews today follow the Talmud first and foremost while Christianity pretends it's literal and historic understanding nothing because that way doesn't make sense and the Zohar is full of esoteric interpretations that put the historical approach to shame.

While the Gospels are interesting I also feel that to understand them you have to interpret the hidden meaning, like Jesus said and John reiterated.

And Paul just ruins everything, everything he says is a lie and/or repulsive. He didn't write allegedly all but ten epistles so who knows if any are real or fake, and if he was real he was not telling the truth and obviously accused of it more than once as he constantly insists that he is not lying and swears in the name of God, a clear sign of the evil one according to Jesus.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

A letter V and a W were the same letter along with U in Hebrew so either form of the Tetragrammaton is fine.

Alexander the Great has nothing to do with the Tetragrammaton.

a reply to: SethTsaddik

And one day you will be dust and your words will judge you in the day of Judgement.

a reply to: SethTsaddik

tetragammaton is nothing but mysticism and New Age phooey.

The prophecies of Alexander the great as found in the Bible stand while you nonsense will go the way of the Dinosaur.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: SethTsaddik

And one day you will be dust and your words will judge you in the day of Judgement.

Don't waste your time threatening me with the Judgement of God.

You have no say in the matter. Wierdo.

a reply to: SethTsaddik

yeah you just keep telling yourself that.

a reply to: SethTsaddik


If you believed the scriptures I would show you your words judge you already, and I too can judge spiritually where you stand. But why waste my time cutting a pasting it is futile with person like you.

a reply to: SethTsaddik

And because of such you could make any Hebrew consonant make a myriad of words unless you knew the languages forms of guttural pronunciations as it was spoken back then (and you don't) and if you had an Original copy to read from (which you don't).

got to go my turkey is done having a Christian meal with others of like mindedness.

a reply to: cooperton

Cooper the one who started the OP said herein this thread he does not, Matrixsurvivor says she does not, Malocchino say s he does not and SethTsaddik has said he does not.

Not one of them believes Jesus died and resurrected or any other Bible doctrine that goes along with it.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: SethTsaddik

tetragammaton is nothing but mysticism and New Age phooey.

The prophecies of Alexander the great as found in the Bible stand while you nonsense will go the way of the Dinosaur.

The Tetragrammaton is YHVH every place it says Lord in English.

The original Hebrew, including the Dead Sea Scrolls, us the four letter word YHVH. So there is nothing new age about it, it's mystical, but so is all religion.

They won't pronounce it so they use Adonai or Hashem every time they come across it, whether out loud or in your head, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about as the Tetragrammaton is thousands of years old and a genuine Hebrew tradition.