Did Paul Invent Christianity?

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
If Paul were a deceiver, then that would mean Jesus caused His own people to be misled for some 1900 years BY SCRIPTURE.

Maybe you should pay attention.

Matthew 24:23 warns of Paul to a T.

Revelation also confirmed it for all with "Wisdom" who have deciphered it (that Paul is a false prophet).

Jesus didn't ''let'' anything happen, he warned you and you ignore him to conform to the views of the WIDE road.

And he can't do anything today being dead and not God (another Church lie is that he is God).

You should be on the narrow path, but aren't. Few find it, your not alone.

Which is what Satan wants all to believe.

Satan's Church is Christianity.

You love Satan, huh? You throw around the accusation like you're getting paid by the mention.

Satan has you duped.

Jesus was a Nazarene and James an Ebionite as well as Nazirite from birth.

Both were Jews from Jewish sects and not Roman Catholic or Christian.

Christianity is a Roman creation, Jesus was not creating a new religion just reforming the old.

Paul invented Christianity, the enemy of the 12 Apostles and antichrist.

It's hard for simple people to compute but far from complicated if you're not closed minded.

I have seen your anti Muslim hate speech comments and you are no disciple of the Nazarene. Too full of hate from believing propaganda and the mainstream of society.

No wise man wants to be were you are.

Critics of Paul are just anti-Christ that are too shrewd to openly frontally attack Jesus.

Antichrist= Paul and his uneducated following.

I don't dislike Jesus and though I can be shrewd I don't have to be and am not being.

I truly like Jesus as a human but even he denied being God in the Bible so the fact that you are so into the official version of Christianity sux for you.

It's the easy way. The false way. Get some courage and read the book you pretend to know what says...but are clueless about and let emotions drive you not knowledge or faith but fear.

I aint scared. I got the Spirit in me.

originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: JohnPrewett
... but what you don't realize is up is down.

Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good, Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness, Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! 21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes And discreet in their own sight!
Proverbs 3:7
7 Do not become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad.
Romans 12:16
16 Have the same attitude toward others as toward yourselves; do not set your mind on lofty things, but be led along with the lowly things. Do not become wise in your own eyes.
1 John 5:19
We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.
Revelation 12:9
9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him.
Proverbs 14:6-9,12,15-18
6 The scoffer seeks wisdom and finds none, But knowledge comes easily to the person with understanding.
7 Stay away from the foolish man, For you will not find knowledge on his lips.
8 By wisdom the shrewd man understands the way he is going, But the stupid are deceived [Or possibly, “the stupid deceive others.”] by their foolishness.
9 Fools make fun of guilt,[Or “of making amends.”] But among the upright, there is a willingness to reconcile.[Or “there is goodwill.”]
12 There is a way that seems right to a man, But in the end it leads to death.
15 The naive* [Or “inexperienced.”] person believes every word, But the shrewd one ponders each step.
16 The wise one is cautious and turns away from evil, But the stupid one is reckless[Or “furious.”] and overconfident.
17 The one who is quick to anger acts foolishly, But the man who thinks things out[Or “the man of thinking abilities.”] is hated.
18 The naive[Or “inexperienced.”] will inherit foolishness, But the shrewd are crowned with knowledge.

a reply to: whereislogic

Ohh. Is that supposed to have anything to do with my vaguest of comments?

I didn't flip the script but I AM trying to un flip it.

Seriously, is that the best you got?

It's nothing related to the meaning of what I said.

Christianity is ass backwards and upside down compared to the teachings of Jesus.

Woe to you for being upside down and lacking in comprehension.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Malocchio

I have seen "the end"

It's not what most believe

Certainly not.

I said up is down in relation to the teachings of Jesus vs the Church who claims he is God.

Which is true.

Then a probably Paulianna Christian quotes from the Old Testament about a passage that to him must have seemed a snappy gotcha moment.

Without realizing what I meant by saying (metaphorically) up is down in Christendom.

Which it is, but not because of me.

So the snappy remark applied to himself and he tried using it on me not knowing what I meant by "up is down."

Eff Em if they don't understand... pearls before swine, right?

a reply to: whereislogic

If you think I am misleading the entire earth (you must as you highlighted it) you are insane.

I don't have the will or power to.

But I am trying to deprogram the uneducated and brainwashed conformists who believe that because they claim belief they are "saved."

As much as I can in my limited capacity with limited ability to get my message through.

Smart people the world over know what I know and like myself don't reject Christ just because Paul was a huckster.

You obviously haven't got nearly the faith or courage to stand up to corruption.

I thank God I have a spine.

originally posted by: Malocchio

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
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Critics of Paul are just anti-Christ that are too shrewd to openly frontally attack Jesus.

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I aint scared.

Currently you are too ignorant to be scared.

Paul has stood the test of time. Paul is a "made man"
You are comparatively as permanent as a snowflake....
and as significant as a dog barking in the night

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Malocchio

I have seen "the end"

It's not what most believe

I'm really curious now...what did you see?

originally posted by: JohnPrewett

originally posted by: Malocchio

originally posted by: JohnPrewett
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Critics of Paul are just anti-Christ that are too shrewd to openly frontally attack Jesus.

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I aint scared.

Currently you are too ignorant to be scared.

Paul has stood the test of time. You are comparatively as permanent as a snowflake....
and as significant as a dog barking in the night

Oh, I guess that emotional argument is enough for you to buy it as truth just because his letters exist...they must be true?

Good luck with that.

Glad I am not so loyal to insignificant events such as a corrupt cabal creating a corrupt religion and having the funds to preserve itself.

They (epistles of Paul) are failing the test of time because more and more people are waking up to the false apostle Paul every day.

Not only that he started as the enemy and remained the enemy. And he will be recognized as it by anyone with the book and a brain with the time to read it.

People are en masse ditching the teachings of Paul because unlike you they studied the Bible and are Truth addicts.

Test of time, give me a break.

Human sacrifice still exists, does that mean it's a good thing?

War has stood the test of time and always been around.

Does that make it OK?

Don't take this personally but you have weak arguments.

a reply to: Malocchio
Proverbs 12:15-20
15 The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, But the wise one accepts advice.
16 A fool immediately shows his annoyance, But the shrewd man overlooks an insult.
17 The one who testifies faithfully will tell the truth, But a false witness speaks deceit.
18 Thoughtless speech is like the stabs of a sword, But the tongue of the wise is a healing.
19 Truthful lips will endure forever, But a lying tongue will last for only a moment.
20 Deceit is in the heart of those who plot mischief, But those who promote peace have joy.
Proverbs 16:32
32 The one slow to anger is better than a mighty man, And the one controlling his temper than one conquering a city.
Proverbs 29:9,11,20,23
9 When a wise man enters into a controversy with a fool, There will be ranting and ridicule, but no satisfaction.
11 A stupid person gives vent to all his feelings, But the wise one calmly keeps them in check.
20 Have you seen a man hasty with his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
23 The haughtiness of a man will humble him, But whoever is humble in spirit will obtain glory.
Matthew 18:4 (Jesus teaching)
4 Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;
Proverbs 29:1
A man who stiffens his neck[Or “who remains stubborn.”] after much reproof
Will suddenly be broken beyond healing.
Psalm 32:9
9 Do not become like a horse or a mule, without understanding,
Whose spiritedness must be controlled with a bridle or a halter
Before it will come near to you.”

2 Timothy 3:1-9
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away. 6 From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, 7 always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth. 8 Now in the way that Janʹnes and Jamʹbres opposed Moses, so these also go on opposing the truth. Such men are completely corrupted in mind, disapproved as regards the faith. 9 Nevertheless, they will make no further progress, for their folly* will be very plain to all, as it was with those two men. [*: Or “foolishness.”]

I am glad that I have been provided with a proper venue for exposing Paul, it came as a surprise as for some time I have been studying this trying to find out why the Romans so loved the letters of Paul over the more story based and action packed Acts of the individual 12 Apostles.

The Gospel of Peter is on the Muratori fragment and Shepherd of Hermas and 1 Clement were considered inspired scripture by the Church until who knows when.

Nobody ever destroyed more books than the Christian Roman Catholic Church.

What were they hiding exactly? The whole thing is a farce 4 Gospels because of the "4 corners of the world?" Iranaeus thought that was clever and it's on record that the men at Nicea were moronic and combative.

Athanasius would go Goebbels on the Empire soon after Eusebius created the history of the Church going back to Philo Judaeus and the ''Essenes." He would tell one of the most fabricated and bias stories in history literally insulting every group of philosophers or religionists that ever entered his view.

War was what made Christianity popular and forced conversion was protocol for newly conquered lands "In the name of Christ."


But these filthy scuzocrats all were emulating Paul and able to justify heinous crimes after pretending to convert and cozyin up to whoever wears the ring, kissing the hand of the Pontificus Maximus.

And you trust the Bible. Genocide was a crime that the Church got away with many times and who knows what they did that we will never know.

Constantine was Lord High Executioner and guilty of matricide.

Seriously he murdered A LOT of people.


Heh.

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Malocchio

I have seen "the end"

It's not what most believe

I'm really curious now...what did you see?

Just as i've stated... The end

Not metaphorically speaking... and not some vision of doom

The end of Life... Literally

I work in Long term care... I stare death in the face on the regular

a reply to: Malocchio

You do know that Paul taught in Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. You do know that he was allowed to preach in that area of what is now Turkey.

Paul was kept from going west, and he did teach throughout that area any honest person knows that and will admit that. And in each of those cities was a Synagogue of the Jews, who the Kingdom Gospel was to be preached too.

Peter had personal instruction from Paul on the matter of the gospel of the Grace of God and how to live in that grace. Acts, Galatians and in 2 Peter attest to that fact. Peter wrote to Jews ( 1Pe 1:1 ¶ Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, . . the strangers are Jews).

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Malocchio
Proverbs 12:15-20
15 The way of the fool is right in his own eyes, But the wise one accepts advice.
16 A fool immediately shows his annoyance, But the shrewd man overlooks an insult.
17 The one who testifies faithfully will tell the truth, But a false witness speaks deceit.
18 Thoughtless speech is like the stabs of a sword, But the tongue of the wise is a healing.
19 Truthful lips will endure forever, But a lying tongue will last for only a moment.
20 Deceit is in the heart of those who plot mischief, But those who promote peace have joy.
Proverbs 16:32
32 The one slow to anger is better than a mighty man, And the one controlling his temper than one conquering a city.
Proverbs 29:9,11,20,23
9 When a wise man enters into a controversy with a fool, There will be ranting and ridicule, but no satisfaction.
11 A stupid person gives vent to all his feelings, But the wise one calmly keeps them in check.
20 Have you seen a man hasty with his words? There is more hope for a fool than for him.
23 The haughtiness of a man will humble him, But whoever is humble in spirit will obtain glory.
Matthew 18:4 (Jesus teaching)
4 Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens;
Proverbs 29:1
A man who stiffens his neck[Or “who remains stubborn.”] after much reproof
Will suddenly be broken beyond healing.
Psalm 32:9
9 Do not become like a horse or a mule, without understanding,
Whose spiritedness must be controlled with a bridle or a halter
Before it will come near to you.”
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LOL....do you know what all the above verses describe? PAUL. How many times did Paul boast in himself? When did he accept advice? How many times did he lose his temper? He was "false witness" who majored in "deceit". He knew nothing of humility. The man was a chameleon who "became all things to all men", something Jesus never did, nor taught. Paul is the "broad path". Jesus is the narrow, that few will find.
Tell me when Paul did this..." A stupid person gives vent to all his feelings, But the wise one calmly keeps them in check."

Or... "Deceit is in the heart of those who plot mischief, But those who promote peace have joy." (so did Paul promote peace? No, and he definitely plotted mischief, by LYING about the true apostles and putting himself above them)...something none of you supporting him have been able to refute.

OR.... "Therefore, whoever will humble himself like this young child is the one who is the greatest in the Kingdom of the heavens"
While Paul taught to put "child like ways behind you".
Yea, all of those verses are the antithesis of Paul..Where is your logic, "Whereisyourlogic"?

edit on 13-10-2016 by Matrixsurvivor because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Malocchio

It is the best approach seeing they are the words of God and not of men.

It is not an opinion as as much as it is believing that God has kept his word as promised. Something you do not believe.

Why do you even try to use the Bible or attack Paul seeing the Bible to you is all fiction. I believe the Greeks and the Babylonians and the Persians as all borrowed from Gods words given men back then.

OT Samson was borrowed from the Greeks to create Hercules. The OT descriptions of a cherubim in Exk 1 and 10, depicting as having red or burnished brass skin, curly black hair and goatee, horns of an ox, cloven feet of an ox all that comes from one of the faces having the face of a OX/cherub with the hands of a man, also the tail of an Ox as well, which is also a description of Lucifer the anointed cherub(face of a cherub is a face of an OX curly hair, goatee etc) were taken to produce Pan the Greek god of shepherds.

The Babylonian figure that all have seen of a being with four wings and a face of a lion was also taken from the OT scriptures of Ezekiel 1 and 10. The Red serpent known in scriptures was copied by the Chinese and the truth of it has been lost to folklore but the red dragon is the old serpent, Satan, the Devil.

I have traveled the world and in every society I have found tales of the beginning of creation most stop just before the world wide flood, and Adam and Eve are the first couple of that nations people. Which came after the flood but all copied from the OT scriptures.

So If the Bible if fable, and historical fiction then you cannot even claim to follow Jesus because he was never real in your eyes. The Bible is false about his life historically and everything becomes allegorical and an invention of men.

If I was you, I would not try and prove Paul a false prophet just say the Bible is not true because the whole book is historical fiction and he nor Jesus never existed. and everything was copied from other nations and are nothing but the writings of men and go one with your life because no Superior moral agent will ever hold you accountable for your life.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

The Bible is all about faith in God. If you don't then none of it matters.

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: Malocchio

I have seen "the end"

It's not what most believe

I'm really curious now...what did you see?

That's an honorable profession...and I'm sure heartbreaking sometimes. You know, my grandmother was one of the kindest people I've ever known. She endured a horrible marriage to a very abusive man. She stayed with him...till he died. She wasn't a "Christian", though she saw God in everything around her. She didn't have a mean bone in her body. At the time of her death (about 5 years ago) I was still a full blown fundamental Christian. Much of my family was, as well.
We were all so worried that she would die without "accepting Jesus as her Lord and Savior". She was resuscitated several times while in the hospital. Both my mom and her sister couldn't let her go. My grandmother kept hanging in there, for them. At one point (after the resuscitated her), she opened her eye's and said, "oh! if I'd known how lovely and good it was over there, I wouldn't have been afraid". She asked for them not to bring her back if she went down again. She died with the most beautiful smile on her face. That was the first stage in my "journey" of asking questions. Much more would come.



Just as i've stated... The end

Not metaphorically speaking... and not some vision of doom

The end of Life... Literally

I work in Long term care... I stare death in the face on the regular

Dang it! I keep messing up my responses, lol. I'm sorry if my answers are confusing. I'm trying to figure out the gizmos on here...still!

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Thank you...

And thank you for sharing that story



Edit: You can edit you know

a reply to: ChesterJohn

So If the Bible if fable, and historical fiction then you cannot even claim to follow Jesus because he was never real in your eyes. The Bible is false about his life historically and everything becomes allegorical and an invention of men.

That's ridiculous.....so if one see's Paul as false and a liar, they somehow can't believe Jesus is the TRUTH???
Do you not even hear yourself, Chester? It's not that Malocchio is pointing out Paul as being false...you just can't STAND anyone to challenge the Bible in and of itself! That's your problem. Do you know why?? Because, you have put all your "eggs in one basket". Point being, that if the Bible has ANY inerrancy in it, you don't know where to stand anymore do you? Your faith should not be in a book, or in "the inerrancy of scripture", but in GOD and JESUS and to trust in the HOLY SPIRIT which you should have IN YOU if you are truly born again, as Jesus said. You should be able to see the lies from the truth. Are you afraid that you can't?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

The Bible is all about faith in God. If you don't then none of it matters.

Seriously Chester....your faith seems to be more in that dang book than in God Himself. Do you really think God can't speak to you other than "the book"???