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originally posted by: Malocchio
The absolute greatest scam that has ever been perpetrated on the free man was to tell him that he was free from the Law (a law most were never subject to) of the old Covenant of a God they never worshipped in the first place in exchange for a "New Covenant" that preached obedience to the laws of human tyrants and slave masters and subservience of women.
Your rewards will be in the next life, suffering is good and martyrdom better.
I think the fact that free men voluntarily submit to the rules of Paul and their Church is sad.
There is no liberation in Christianity, from the Law or otherwise. If God does make Laws I don't think he would do it to change his mind later and encourage obedience to government.
What a beautiful scam!!!
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
To people with no Torah knowledge, and no love for Jews ....
Amid people who believe every conception of “God” one can imagine, a vagabond Jew named Paul of Tarsus proclaimed salvation in another Jew who had been rejected by Jewish leaders and crucified by a Roman governor. Salvation apart from Law-keeping.
That wandering Jewish tentmaker preacher [whose last address was a prison in Rome] was so influential, that 2000 years later many of his critics claim Paul is the real creator of "christianity." He [inspired by Jesus] changed the world. Why did many Gentiles believe him ?
Because he was confirmed with power. POWER. Paul changed the world. Paul is a MADE MAN.
Compared to Paul, his critics are ankle biting Chihuahuas.
Heh. That was genuinely hilarious.And of course no Pauline comment would be complete without the standard ''dare you disagree with my opinion you scoundrel" insult.At the same time entirely hypocritical as you wouldn't be saying what you are if you yourself had proper Torah knowledge.
You don't seem to realize even that the Torah is only the first 5 books of the Tanakh while you throw out the word as if it was equivalent to the Tanakh.
I don't think I have anything to worry about from the opinions of you, thanks for the chuckle though!
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
To people with no Torah knowledge, and no love for Jews ....
Amid people who believe every conception of “God” one can imagine, a vagabond Jew named Paul of Tarsus proclaimed salvation in another Jew who had been rejected by Jewish leaders and crucified by a Roman governor. Salvation apart from Law-keeping.
That wandering Jewish tentmaker preacher [whose last address was a prison in Rome] was so influential, that 2000 years later many of his critics claim Paul is the real creator of "christianity." He [inspired by Jesus] changed the world. Why did many Gentiles believe him ?
Because he was confirmed with power. POWER. Paul changed the world. Paul is a MADE MAN.
Compared to Paul, his critics are ankle biting Chihuahuas.
Heh. That was genuinely hilarious.And of course no Pauline comment would be complete without the standard ''dare you disagree with my opinion you scoundrel" insult.At the same time entirely hypocritical as you wouldn't be saying what you are if you yourself had proper Torah knowledge.
You don't seem to realize even that the Torah is only the first 5 books of the Tanakh while you throw out the word as if it was equivalent to the Tanakh.
I don't think I have anything to worry about from the opinions of you, thanks for the chuckle though!
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: JohnPrewett
Did you know Paul was castrated?
A friend of the Herodians (Herodion)?
After all he has a freaking letter written to Titus and the odds of anyone not related to Vespasian or his son using that name are .00000000000001% that it might be a coincidence. I don't say he wrote to Titus, Paul is a literary device used by the Flavian dynasty of Vespasian and his son the Roman Christ Titus.
Clement of Rome was named Titus Flavius Clemens (third Pope after Peter and Simon).
Clement of Alexandria was named Titus Flavius Clemens of Alexandria.
Constantine was Flavius Constantinius.
Are you following?
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
To people with no Torah knowledge, and no love for Jews ....
Amid people who believe every conception of “God” one can imagine, a vagabond Jew named Paul of Tarsus proclaimed salvation in another Jew who had been rejected by Jewish leaders and crucified by a Roman governor. Salvation apart from Law-keeping.
That wandering Jewish tentmaker preacher [whose last address was a prison in Rome] was so influential, that 2000 years later many of his critics claim Paul is the real creator of "christianity." He [inspired by Jesus] changed the world. Why did many Gentiles believe him ?
Because he was confirmed with power. POWER. Paul changed the world. Paul is a MADE MAN.
Compared to Paul, his critics are ankle biting Chihuahuas.
Heh. That was genuinely hilarious.And of course no Pauline comment would be complete without the standard ''dare you disagree with my opinion you scoundrel" insult.At the same time entirely hypocritical as you wouldn't be saying what you are if you yourself had proper Torah knowledge.
You don't seem to realize even that the Torah is only the first 5 books of the Tanakh while you throw out the word as if it was equivalent to the Tanakh.
I don't think I have anything to worry about from the opinions of you, thanks for the chuckle though!
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
To people with no Torah knowledge, and no love for Jews ....
Amid people who believe every conception of “God” one can imagine, a vagabond Jew named Paul of Tarsus proclaimed salvation in another Jew who had been rejected by Jewish leaders and crucified by a Roman governor. Salvation apart from Law-keeping.
That wandering Jewish tentmaker preacher [whose last address was a prison in Rome] was so influential, that 2000 years later many of his critics claim Paul is the real creator of "christianity." He [inspired by Jesus] changed the world. Why did many Gentiles believe him ?
Because he was confirmed with power. POWER. Paul changed the world. Paul is a MADE MAN.
Compared to Paul, his critics are ankle biting Chihuahuas.
Heh. That was genuinely hilarious.And of course no Pauline comment would be complete without the standard ''dare you disagree with my opinion you scoundrel" insult.At the same time entirely hypocritical as you wouldn't be saying what you are if you yourself had proper Torah knowledge.
You don't seem to realize even that the Torah is only the first 5 books of the Tanakh while you throw out the word as if it was equivalent to the Tanakh.
I don't think I have anything to worry about from the opinions of you, thanks for the chuckle though!
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
So...question for you....if no one can stop sinning, unless they are "filled with the HS" ( according to Paul),
then why would Jesus tell the woman caught in adultery, or a few others...to "stop sinning unless something worse happens to you)?
This was before He was crucified for our sins, by the way.
If you follow Paul's doctrine, that would be impossible for an " unsaved" person.
Any takers?
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
originally posted by: Malocchio
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
To people with no Torah knowledge, and no love for Jews ....
Amid people who believe every conception of “God” one can imagine, a vagabond Jew named Paul of Tarsus proclaimed salvation in another Jew who had been rejected by Jewish leaders and crucified by a Roman governor. Salvation apart from Law-keeping.
That wandering Jewish tentmaker preacher [whose last address was a prison in Rome] was so influential, that 2000 years later many of his critics claim Paul is the real creator of "christianity." He [inspired by Jesus] changed the world. Why did many Gentiles believe him ?
Because he was confirmed with power. POWER. Paul changed the world. Paul is a MADE MAN.
Compared to Paul, his critics are ankle biting Chihuahuas.
Heh. That was genuinely hilarious.And of course no Pauline comment would be complete without the standard ''dare you disagree with my opinion you scoundrel" insult.At the same time entirely hypocritical as you wouldn't be saying what you are if you yourself had proper Torah knowledge.
You don't seem to realize even that the Torah is only the first 5 books of the Tanakh while you throw out the word as if it was equivalent to the Tanakh.
I don't think I have anything to worry about from the opinions of you, thanks for the chuckle though!
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”
Jesus said it. Paul believed it. The lost [Jew and Gentile] deny it.
I just don't see what a person gains from recycling rhetoric that is so common as this type here.
Do you not understand I am intelligent enough to have already heard and thought about every word you just said?
Not that those quotes require any intelligence beyond average to comprehend and file away as "classic Christian 'Im in over my head' rhetoric" used anytime that devil logic shows his ugly head.
But that's the type of stuff you see in pamphlets that have hell on the next page with accompanying threat of damnation.
You aren't going to sell that hea.
originally posted by: Malocchio
reply to: JohnPrewett
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At least you wouldn't have to pretend that 3 Gods being 1 .................
originally posted by: JohnPrewett
originally posted by: Malocchio
reply to: JohnPrewett
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At least you wouldn't have to pretend that 3 Gods being 1 .................
Trinitarianism is insidious.
Contending Jesus “IS” God seems to honor Jesus,
but actually is a refusal to abide in the word of Jesus who identified Himself as Son OF God
[John 10:36] and endorsed being identified as the Son OF God. [Matt 16]
Christians contend Jesus is the Son OF God.
Trinitarians contend Jesus IS God.
See Matt 16 Peter's confession that Jesus endorsed.
Listen to following:
"Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God." 1 John 4:15 ......
"...I [Jesus] said, I am the Son of God"” John 10:36
“And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ” John 17:3
“Jesus said …. go unto my brothers, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God” John 20:17
TRINITARIANS put a stumbling block in the way of the blind [Muslims and Jews].
Trinitarianism is insidious.
Contending Jesus “IS” God seems to honor Jesus,
but actually is a refusal to abide in the word of Jesus who identified Himself as Son OF God.
By contending and demanding confession that Jesus IS God, TRINITARIANS have been putting stumbling block in front of Muslims and Jews since the state church of the Roman Empire was established on 27 February 380 with the Edict of Thessalonica, when Emperor Theodosius I made Nicene [TRINITARIAN] "Christianity" the Empire's sole authorized religion.
The Roman empire empowered the TRINITARIAN imitation "church" that the deceived world has thought the real Church ever since.
With the Edict of Milan of 313, Constantine I gave/established tolerance for Christianity, thus at this time Christians ceased being deemed enemies of the state.
The Trinitarian cult, imposed on the Roman empire in 380ad caused Christians to be persecuted as “heretics.”
en.wikipedia.org...
2Peter 2:1-2 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Peter 2:10 ¶ But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
2Peter 2:1-2 ¶ But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2Peter 2:10 ¶ But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2Pe 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: