Humor me, ATS, do you see a RAISED seal on the back of Obama’s short form birth certificate?

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I believe the bio was said to have come from his literary agent. And typically clients provide their own bios to their literary agents to distribute.

It was legitimate that people had doubts and questions.

John McCain was born in Panama, and nobody asked for his birth certificate.
George Romney was born in Mexico, and nobody asked for his birth certificate.

Even if Obama was born in Kenya, his mother is a US natural born citizen, which makes him undoubtedly a US citizen and legitimate to the presidency. I still cannot understand what makes him different from McCain, from example.

Amazing how you recall McCain's candidacy.

In fact, an entire Senate Resolution was passed concerning McCain's 'natural born citizenship.'

Link to Senate Resolution

Also, he was asked to provide his birth certificate. Here it is: Link

And none of this is meant to imply I am taking a position on the events that transpired regarding McCain.

Also, it was very much not clear whether Obama qualified or not. More has been heard in the courts regarding the issue, but I would still argue that unless the SCOTUS opines on the subject, there remains legitimate questions -- even if others disagree.

originally posted by: hellobruce

Have a look at their photo's......

This is why I am asking so many questions, because the only difference I see between them is skin colour.
Nothing else.

a reply to: Agartha

I won't be discussing this further with you if you are just going to ignore all the answers I gave you and go with racebaiting instead.

No reason to waste my time taking you seriously.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Amazing how you recall McCain's candidacy.

I didn't, I googled to see if any other candidate was born outside of the US.

In fact, an entire Senate Resolution was passed concerning McCain's 'natural born citizenship.'

Link to Senate Resolution

Also, he was asked to provide his birth certificate. Here it is: Link

And none of this is meant to imply I am taking a position on the events that transpired regarding McCain.

Also, it was very much not clear whether Obama qualified or not. More has been heard in the courts regarding the issue, but I would still argue that unless the SCOTUS opines on the subject, there still remains legitimate questions -- even if others disagree.

Was there a senate resolution on Obama too? Did the senate ask for his birth certificate?

Also, when I google about this, it seems that it all started with Trump saying Obama was not a legitimate candidate.
Is that true?

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
I won't be discussing this further with you if you are just going to ignore all the answers I gave you and go with racebaiting instead.

No reason to waste my time taking you seriously.

I read your post after I replied to hellobruce.
I didn't ignore your reply.....

a reply to: Agartha

Do I bother answering?

Probably not. But here goes:

No. No resolution on Obama's natural born citizenship. Everyone just took it for granted he was eligible.

HOWEVER, in July 2009, the House passed a resolution that Hawaii is the 50th State, and *ahem* resolved that Obama was born in Hawaii:

"Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii;"

Link


Trump didn't take up the issue of Obama's birth certificate until early 2011.

The questions began with Hillary supporters during the DNC primary, in 2008. And that describes how I became interested.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
No. No resolution on Obama's natural born citizenship. Everyone just took it for granted he was eligible.

Well, as he was born in Hawaii he was a natural born US citizen, so he was eligible!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Do I bother answering?

Probably not. But here goes:

LOL Despite the fact that I disagree with your opinion on this, I am genuinely asking and genuinely discussing this with you.

No. No resolution on Obama's natural born citizenship. Everyone just took it for granted he was eligible.

Perhaps they took it for granted because, like I said before, even if he was born in Kenya he was still a legitimate US citizen? Which means there were no questions on his legitimacy?

HOWEVER, in July 2009, the House passed a resolution that Hawaii is the 50th State, and *ahem* resolved that Obama was born in Hawaii:

"Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii;"

Link

??? Hawaii become the 50th state in 1959, it says so even in your link.... that's even before Obama was born.
LINK

The resolution recognized and celebrate 50 years of Hawaii being part of the US and it mentions what made/makes Hawaii great.... of course they had to recognize that the 44th president was born there, because that's what his birth certificate says.

I was also just reading about that biography you mentioned and the editor said she made a mistake:

"This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me--an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

abcnews.go.com... ry?id=16372566#.V551ujVT35d" target="_blank" class="postlink">LINK

a reply to: Agartha

Great! I am glad you are being genuine.

I don't believe there is a real question that Obama is a "legitimate US citizen," as you stated.

The questions revolve around 'natural born citizenship.'

Also, yes, the Senate resolution, in part, celebrated Hawaii's anniversary as the 50th state. I definitely did not mean to imply that the Senate declared it a state for the first time, in July 2009. And that wasn't a bit relevant to my point about resolving Obama was born in Hawaii.

AND....any statement the literary agent made, does not exactly settle the matter considering what was at stake and the motivation Obama may have to lie.

It's much like the Trump campaign staff speechwriter that took the blame for plagiarizing Michelle Obama's speech. I doubt that settled the matter for many with legitimate questions.

Or the DNC staff that took the blame for exposing 'Joe the Plumber's' child support records, in 2008. Nope..I didn't feel good about that one either.

Oh come on, give up the whole birther thing already. If you want true conspiracies instead of the BS ones, start researching David Kelly or what happened to Dominique Strauss-Kahn during the ridiculous Greek bailout vote in 2008.

Also, yes, the Senate resolution, in part, celebrated Hawaii's anniversary as the 50th state. Alaska is the 51st, so I definitely did not mean to imply that the Senate declared it a state for the first time, in July 2009. And that wasn't a bit relevant to my point about resolving Obama was born in Hawaii.

Actually, at my last count, there are only 50 states, not 51. Alaska is actually the 49th state. Alaska and Hawaii were added at the same time, and got added in alphabetical order.

There ya go, a brief lesson in how the United States adds states, from a Canadian.

a reply to: babybunnies

Sh*t you are correct! I still didn't mean to imply that I thought the Senate 'made' Hawaii a state in 2009. I will correct my post!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Also, yes, the Senate resolution, in part, celebrated Hawaii's anniversary as the 50th state. Alaska is the 51st,

You also do not know much about the USA, there are only 50 states....

originally posted by: babybunnies
Oh come on, give up the whole birther thing already. If you want true conspiracies instead of the BS ones, start researching David Kelly or what happened to Dominique Strauss-Kahn during the ridiculous Greek bailout vote in 2008.

I completely encourage you to dig into the conspiracies you want to investigate. Have at it!

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Also, yes, the Senate resolution, in part, celebrated Hawaii's anniversary as the 50th state. Alaska is the 51st,

You also do not know much about the USA, there are only 50 states....

Got it. Is this what you are going to cling to even though I corrected my error immediately?


ETA: Besides, it was COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT.

AND, as I recall...Obama once said there were 57 states. So, I am still batting ahead of him on this one!

a reply to: MotherMayEye

^^^^That was kind of a happy error on my part!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: MotherMayEye

^^^^That was kind of a happy error on my part!

Look, none of us *know* if Obama is a natural-born citizen. What *I* DO know is that the US gov't has lied to us blatantly in the past, on numerous occasions. And some of those 'occasions' killed thousands, many thousands of US citizens. I've posted this before, but I'll do it again, because I think it's relevant to *any* discussion of the actions of our gov't or members of it.

The son-in-law of FDR wrote a book in the mid-60s before he died. In that book are a number of revelations, including *who* conspired to create the great depression (Kennedy, via the Vatican, along with other right-wing players, but Kennedy supposedly took it 'too far', and instead of a mere big 'profit', the bleeding continued. Kennedy was one of the few people that somehow removed ALL of his money from the markets before the crash, and SHORTED said market. So did the Vatican, who a year before had been almost broke, but the fascists came to power in Italy, and Mussolini granted the Vatican the land it now sits on, and gave it national status, and also gave the Vatican 120 million dollars (the equivalent), which the Vatican then used to short the market, via Kennedy.

Now that's not the only revelation in this book. He also interviewed the Admiral who was in charge of Pearl when it was attacked. Long story short, the US had cracked the Japanese codes over a month prior, and George Marshall and the Sec of Navy and FDR had a meeting a week before, discussing the attack. Sec of Navy insists they contact Pearl, Marshall says he will take care of it, and waits until Saturday, and then sends a freaking telegram to Pearl, that he knows will not reach it until the evening after the attack.

Now this is another FIRST HAND WITNESS to these events, and this is published in a book, that mysteriously only went through ONE PRINTING, and is thus very expensive. However, because of the internet, and the fact that publishing is so cheap now, some smart players have been going back and republishing these out-of-print books. The thing about books, is that if you lie in a book, you WILL get sued. The author of this book (nor of the any dozens of books I've read that speak of other nefarious acts of our gov't, like 'Matsu#a's Gold (you can find this one on Amazon) has never been sued. Many of them have been threatened, and some actually killed, but never sued.

The title of the book is 'FDR: My Manipulated Father in Law'. You can actually also read it online, free, just do a web search on the above title and 'pdf'. So no excuses for not believing your gov't would make a 'big' lie to you. They already have, dozens of times...

originally posted by: Whatinthehell
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So when you make things up and believe lies, does it help you sleep at night? Legitimate question

I don't get fooled by lies, and I only make stuff up when pranking my wife. I have noticed though that idealist liberals often believe lies and for proof just look at how Obama and Hillary still have supporters. Two of the biggest liars BAR NONE to ever live in our life time.
(Legitimate answer.)

a reply to: VariableConstant

he can be prosecutted for providing false documents to gain his position

originally posted by: fightzone58
he can be prosecutted for providing false documents to gain his position

What "false documents"?

Who did he show these "false documents" to, to get the job?