Humor me, ATS, do you see a RAISED seal on the back of Obama’s short form birth certificate?

originally posted by: xuenchen
Excellent topic

It's time we re-explore this forgery.

right....they're are a lot of dead horses that need to be beat....

originally posted by: Masterjaden
The 500 lb gorilla in the room is Obama has a foreign national father, but everyone keeps looking right past that.

And he is not the only one: Trump has a foreign mother, Cruz has a foreign father, Romney has a foreign father, etc etc. I don't see Trump posting his birth certificate. Jaden, nobody is looking past that, but we need to look at others the same way then.

And thank you for posting in such an educated manner, it makes such a difference that you can reply to me without resorting to cheap name calling.

originally posted by: Agartha

originally posted by: Masterjaden
The 500 lb gorilla in the room is Obama has a foreign national father, but everyone keeps looking right past that.

And he is not the only one: Trump has a foreign mother, Cruz has a foreign father, Romney has a foreign father, etc etc. I don't see Trump posting his birth certificate. Jaden, nobody is looking past that, but we need to look at others the same way then.

And thank you for posting in such an educated manner, it makes such a difference that you can reply to me without resorting to cheap name calling.

Here's one of two birth certificates that Trump posted: Link

Not that I believe it's above scrutiny. I don't see any reason to accept what was posted as absolute truth.

And, again, I personally don't think any of the candidates you named are above the same questions Obama received.

Also, MasterJaden was referring to Obama's father not being an American citizen -- at the time Obama was born. And I would imagine he also believes that Cruz is not eligible, although I won't speak for him. But I am familiar with this general perspective on the issue.

Lastly, your very first comment to me in this thread was thick with racebaiting. You aren't in any position to play the victim here: Link to your racebaiting first comment

originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
so when one considers the curious death of the Hawaii women in charge of these things,

Nothing curious about the death due to cardiac arrhythmia of a 65 year old woman after a plane crash!

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Here's one of two birth certificates that Trump posted: Link

Where is the seal on that?
Why will no one spend days investigating that obvious forgery?
So what is different between Obama and Trump?

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
Here's one of two birth certificates that Trump posted: Link

Where is the seal on that?
Why will no one spend days investigating that obvious forgery?
So what is different between Obama and Trump?

I am NO Trump fan. In fact, I think a whole slew of issues disqualify him from being president. And if I had the intestinal fortitude to dig into exposing Trump for the fraud I believe him to be, I would.

...Although, even in this thread, I have mentioned my personal experience with Trump that leads me to believe he is a fraud.

I invite anyone who wants to dig in, to do just that.

ETA: And I noticed there's no visible seal on Trump's BC. If you actually read the comment you replied to, you would have noticed I said it was NOT above scrutiny:

"Not that I believe it's above scrutiny. I don't see any reason to accept what was posted as absolute truth. "

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
so when one considers the curious death of the Hawaii women in charge of these things,

Nothing curious about the death due to cardiac arrhythmia of a 65 year old woman after a plane crash!

Well, turning a 'emergency sea landing' of a freaking sea plane into a 'plane crash' is certainly twisting the truth, but of course, that doesn't seem to bother you at all. The *timing* of the supposed death is extremely suspicious as anyone who is able to think critically will admit...

a reply to: nomoredemsorreps

I'll be honest, having dealt with the prior director, Chiyome Fukino, and then later Loretta Fuddy, I think Fuddy's death is worth looking closely at.

After Fuddy became director, the Hawaii Department of Health stopped being forthcoming in answering open records requests.

originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
Well, turning a 'emergency sea landing' of a freaking sea plane

Why do some people post silly made up stories when a minutes research would show that they were wrong? Are they that desperate to push a silly conspiracy theory?

So you think this is a sea plane....

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: nomoredemsorreps
Well, turning a 'emergency sea landing' of a freaking sea plane

Why do some people post silly made up stories when a minutes research would show that they were wrong? Are they that desperate to push a silly conspiracy theory?

So you think this is a sea plane....

You're right. Though there are pontoons that can be put on that plane evidently they weren't that day. But anyone can go and do an image search on 'fuddy plane crash' and actually SEE the images of your supposed plane 'crash'. It was a SEA LANDING, not a crash. The plane didn't fly into pieces, and didn't lose ANY pieces in fact, was completely intact as you can tell by the pictures if you bothered to look.

And lo and behold, NONE OF THE OTHER passengers were even injured. I find that suspicious, given all the facts I've shown, that you have managed to ignore and try to pick apart and choose what to argue about.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The timing of her death is suspicious to ANYONE who is a critical thinker, and knows of the nefarious acts our gov't has gotten up to. You want to believe all that? Go ahead. Keep your head in the sand, but don't try to twist the facts on me either. That was the safest 'plane crash' I've ever seen...

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
Now, for the "fun" part. A couple of months later, I went online to show someone else what I'd discovered, and found that the SSA had changed the rules, making the numbers totally random, and removing the handy little charts that showed where a number was issued! No reason at all was given for this change, and the timing was quite interesting!

I remember that little chart! If it's gone now, I bet it still lives on the WayBackMachine.

Maybe so! Haven't checked there for it. I did find that quite interesting! Back in '08, I saw wiki pages changing quite often, sometimes, several times in a few minutes! The topic there? What constituted a natural born citizen, of course! Amazing how that changed!

Oh! Must be vast conspiracy!

Do you know what a wiki is, and what open editing is?

I by no means support not defend Obummer but really? I thought the birther non-sense was put to rest.

If conservatives were consistent with their issues of NBC I would understand their grievances more - but let's talk about Ted Cruz for a minute, hardly any shouting over him being born out of country - and I guarantee in eight years people won't be creating threads regarding him being born in Canada.

Yes, I know what it is. I know it's used as a tool, and a lot of people think it's like an encyclopedia, and have no idea how much it can change.

I don't think Cruz is eligible, either, and have said so. If he is, it's shaky at best.

I won't say what I think O is hiding, but I do believe he's hiding something. No one tries that hard to conceal records if they have nothing to hide.

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes
No one tries that hard to conceal records if they have nothing to hide.

Oh look, you have sealed your college records exactly the same as Obama has - what are you hiding?
Oh look, you have not provided your BC, so what are you hiding?
Trump has sealed his college records the same as Obama - what is he hiding?
Where are Trump's birth certificates, showing a seal? What is he hiding?

Obama has provided more records than most previous Presidents, yet you claim he is hiding something.... exactly how has Obama concealed records?

a reply to: hellobruce

Because of his colour and name.
Pure racism even when they deny it...obvious.

originally posted by: Ladygreeneyes

I won't say what I think O is hiding, but I do believe he's hiding something. No one tries that hard to conceal records if they have nothing to hide.

Are you high?

The guy has literally disclosed more records than any president I can think of.

And where are all of your guys' threads moving the goalposts on Trump's BC?

This birther crap is sooooooo tired, you guys seriously need to start coming up with better content. It's been 8 years now and I still haven't heard someone explain this alleged nefarious motive the guy has for faking his BC.

a reply to: hellobruce

Barry Soetoro says hello...

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: hellobruce

Barry Soetoro says hello...

A surname that was never officially changed to....

originally posted by: Dark Ghost
a reply to: hellobruce

Barry Soetoro says hello...

Better kiss 8 years of good sense goodbye, then.

Cause you're all so cloak n dagger.

a reply to: DeadFoot

I'm afraid I don't quite follow you.

After all, a nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat...