I have FINALLY solved the issue on how to stay alive during a police encounter!

How many of you are familiar with cop block? Lots of white people being mistreated by cops there.

www.youtube.com...

I actually believe there is a problem with the police in our country, but it's a problem that spans all colors. There is a special issue with black Americans, but that has to do with the fact 13% of the population is committing over half of the violent crime in the US.

originally posted by: TheBulk

Unless of course we're talking about the corruption surrounding Hillary Clinton!

Sorry but WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HOW the holy F have you made the jump to Hillary?

What has that even to do with anything?

I don't even like the bitch! And think I have posted my own disgust at her avoidning charges.

But HELL lets deflect with the Clinton defence! Do abit of star baiting.....

It was an analogy of hypocrisy, nothing more.

a reply to: crazyewok

Well at no point have I now, or ever, said policing is perfect in the US. It can always be improved, and always in a number of ways.

Nor did I say the media is solely to blame. I do blame them for taking, both percentage-wise and straight numbers-wise, what is a statistically tiny number of incidents and blowing them wildly out of proportion to give people the perception that this is some kind of out of control epidemic that puts one at risk simply by being in the same restaurant as a law enforcement officer (which is, sadly, a sentiment I've seen on ats where we're supposed to deny ignorance).

My personal belief is that one instance of excessive force is one too many. One unjustified shooting is one too many. One instance of misconduct is one too many. One case of corruption is one too many. But my other personal feeling, supported by BJS numbers, is that those issues are far more in the minority than MSM would like us to believe. The amount of police-public contact that is handled to a satisfactory end in the eyes of the public overwhelmingly outnumbers those cases where it's not.

originally posted by: TheBulk
How many of you are familiar with cop block? Lots of white people being mistreated by cops there.

www.youtube.com...

I actually believe there is a problem with the police in our country, but it's a problem that spans all colors. There is a special issue with black Americans, but that has to do with the fact 13% of the population is committing over half of the violent crime in the US.

See that I can agree with.

I am as white as white and had a bad experience with NYPD over.....jaywalking. On a empty street.

The policeman had his hand on his gun and was shouting in my face. I was not offering any resistance or any sarcastic comments.

A polite telling off would have made his point just as well without jumping into full aggro mode.
The policemen did not deescalated he instead escalated the situation.
Now in real life im rather passive and naturally I was not armed.
But I can see someone panicking and getting violent being approached in such a manner when really that was not needed in the situation.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: crazyewok

Well at no point have I now, or ever, said policing is perfect in the US. It can always be improved, and always in a number of ways.

Nor did I say the media is solely to blame. I do blame them for taking, both percentage-wise and straight numbers-wise, what is a statistically tiny number of incidents and blowing them wildly out of proportion to give people the perception that this is some kind of out of control epidemic that puts one at risk simply by being in the same restaurant as a law enforcement officer (which is, sadly, a sentiment I've seen on ats where we're supposed to deny ignorance).

My personal belief is that one instance of excessive force is one too many. One unjustified shooting is one too many. One instance of misconduct is one too many. One case of corruption is one too many. But my other personal feeling, supported by BJS numbers, is that those issues are far more in the minority than MSM would like us to believe. The amount of police-public contact that is handled to a satisfactory end in the eyes of the public overwhelmingly outnumbers those cases where it's not.

Again I apologize. sometimes it heard to get meaning over the internet with just text.


As to the rest? I believe that the majority of US police departments are decent.

But there are a few departments, especially in big city's that seem to causing grief.

a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Excellent. Cooperate and be civil and you will not have any problems.

Be an arschloch, and you will be treated according to your sh***y attitude.

a reply to: crazyewok

you know, my post was written with a snarky undertone. I really do get irritated with your comments about how fantastic the UK is and how horrible the US is, even though you have never been here, but in this one instance, I think I agree with you. US police might well learn something from the tactics of other countries, and those other countries police might learn a bit about how the world works outside of their tiny little bubble. I think you would do well to travel to the US and see how most of the cities operate and how it's entirely possible to go through a day in the US without even hearing a gunshot.

I'd offer you a cold beer and all, but there is a lot of shooting in my area. (lots of rednecks who enjoy shooting as a sport/time waster) But as long as you practice good range safety, you should emerge without any extra holes.

a reply to: crazyewok

Just as there are departments and officers in the UK that have poor reputations, and aren't opposed to getting into pissing contests with citizens.

Just like here.

a reply to: network dude

I have been to the USA and been to a few states.

Buisness and travel trips.

And im a huge fan of a few areas and have made freinds stateside hence why I take a huge intrest in US affairs and its well being.

The USA is not a terrible place to live. And the UK is no way perfect, if you visit some UK threads I can be scathing of Britain.

But due to the nature of the forum , the bad stuff it generally whats discussed.

O and funny enough it the more conservative areas I tend to like !

originally posted by: crazyewok
I have been to the USA and been to a few states.

State of Confusion? State of Disarray?

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: crazyewok

Just as there are departments and officers in the UK that have poor reputations, and aren't opposed to getting into pissing contests with citizens.

Just like here.

Yes. Thing is the UK does tend to recognise and to root out the problems quicker.

I dont want to turn into a UK verse US pissing match.

Thing is our police both developed diffrently and have diffrent policeing cultures and principles.

As I said before a adoption of UK policeing probably would not be advisable in the USA, but we do have some postive traits that may be worth looking at and may be more effective.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: crazyewok
I have been to the USA and been to a few states.

State of Confusion? State of Disarray?

Depends what you call New york, illionois, nevada, california and Florida

a reply to: crazyewok

You could apply those to all four.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Nor did I say the media is solely to blame. I do blame them for taking, both percentage-wise and straight numbers-wise, what is a statistically tiny number of incidents and blowing them wildly out of proportion to give people the perception that this is some kind of out of control epidemic that puts one at risk simply by being in the same restaurant as a law enforcement officer (which is, sadly, a sentiment I've seen on ats where we're supposed to deny ignorance).

Absolutely. Well said.

Do you think it's simply for ratings or is there a much larger agenda at play? I have my personal opinion, but it involves a lot more than just police brutality. The elites have been designing ways to deal with "undesirables" since the beginning of civilization.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: iTruthSeeker

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: iTruthSeeker

Is that the police training manual?

No, it is from the civilian training manual. Have you seen it? It is titled "Don't be a dumba$$-Use your head" Not you, the manual.

Thats a kids stick figure drawing book.

"Don't be a dumbass, use your head" is as vague... but I get the whole "only stupids get shot by cops" used to exonerate police who unjustly shoot citizens, over a thousand times a year.

Over a thousand unjustified shootings a year? Man. The guardian put it at a total of 1,146 killings by law enforcement, total, for all of 2015. Hard to believe they were all, or almost all, unjust.

Okay, sorry, not all. How many resulting in convictions ?

... zero

Huffington

originally posted by: grey580
Chris Rock tackled this issue some years ago.

Lately he's promoted BLM (and the Cop Killings by default). If I never hear his name again, it'll be too soon.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
But..... If i don't run away, how can i prove my innocence and show the police who the real culprit is? And how can i justify the use of a montage to get it done in an efficient manner? Those things are expensive!!

So remember kids, only run if you're innocent.

From experience, you just keep yer hands in plain sight at all times. IF seated in a vehicle thats on the wheel as they approach the driver side door.

If standing or sitting outdoors, thats palm up away from pants or coat pocket.

They as nervous and alert as you upon first approach, want to go home tonight as much as you.

a reply to: grey580

I have watched that video a number of times. Still cracks me up.

Unfortunately, it depends entirely on the type of cop.

Your solution wouldn't work for all officers.

Some will get annoyed that you didn't give them some resistance, so they could give you a little beating, and shoot anyway. Then, they'll make up a story for their report, that you had a gun, or tied to run, or something. They may even plant a gun on you, for evidence. No, it's a crap shoot. You never know what type of cop you'll meet out there on the beet. Best to avoid all officers of the law, give them a wide berth.

One time, an officer in Toronto was seen helping out an old man. People were shocked. They heaped praise upon the officer, took his photo, and wrote glowing articles about him in the news.

Touching photo of Toronto police officer tying elderly man's shoelaces sends social media into meltdown

Why was he considered so "special" ? He broke the mold. He didn't behave like what officers are expected to behave. He was actually being helpful to some citizen, without looking for some reason to give warning, arrest, or shoot.

Imagine what would happen if all officers really did Protect and "Serve". If you could ask the nearest officer, for example, to help you load these heavy boxes into the back of your car. Or, ask the officer where the nearest gas station is, when you're in an unfamiliar city. Or, if you could just walk up to any officer to chat about the weather, or just about anything, like if the cop was everybody's "buddy."

Instead, we view the officers as "Stern", "Unfriendly", warrior types, that would probably arrest you for disturbing "their peace" if you approached them with anything they consider "silly".