AR-15's are NOT designed to kill

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: JinMI
Actually, it was more of a leading question.
Leading you to the answer we both know.

I never swore myself to any government. I swore an oath to the U.S. Constitution. As a 21 year Master Sergeant in the USAF, I swore my oath to the U.S. Constitution. I never swore any oath to Barack Obama (Barry Sotero) or Hilary Clinton. I am a free citizen, and I think I have earned that right after all of the crap that I have been through. Wanna know what I got when I retired?

M.S.

Thanks for 21 years of service.

a reply to: Phage

They follow the order given to them. Before you take any oath, you sign your constitutional rights away.

a reply to: madmac5150

You swore an oath which included the President of the United States, the name was not mentioned.

And good on you for doing so. I chose not to but I could have had no choice in the matter. My "lucky number" was 364, if that means anything to you.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: madmac5150

You swore an oath which included the President of the United States, the name was not mentioned.

And good on you for doing so. I chose not to but I very nearly had no choice in the matter.

You know, I spent much of my life in the "killing business", I was military. It's what we do. We kill, and do it well.

Now, I have a pet turkey. I have ducks. I have chickens... and I wake up everyday without an enemy. No terrorists screw with my birds. If any predator comes too close, they get a buck shot shampoo.

This is what happiness looks like...

a reply to: madmac5150
Another, good on you. Sounds wonderful. Except the snow part. If you can die just cuz you're outside, it's not for me. Hypothermia, eww.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: madmac5150
Another, good on you. Sounds wonderful. Except the snow part. If you can die just cuz you're outside, it's not for me. Hypothermia, eww.

Yeah, My Impala got buried for three months...

a reply to: madmac5150

My dad had a yellow Impala ragtop. He won it in a cribbage game. Bitchin car. Would have sucked in the snow though.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: madmac5150

My dad had a yellow Impala ragtop. He won it in a cribbage game. Bitchin car. Would have sucked in the snow though.

I have a 2010 LTZ... Bose sound system, leather interior.... and it is clean as hell because it snows a lot in North Idaho. LOL

I read the first few pages of this post, I can not agree with the OP. Wounding a soldier to take out his buddies is a tactic that can be used. But why would any modern military give ALL basic soldiers an M-16/M-4 if it was only capable of wounding people who are trying to kill you? And most hunters I know of would not use a AR-15 (could just be the crowd I hang out with though) because they dont want to scurry through the woords and find their KILL.

And back on page two or three someone was calling the AR-15 an assault rifle .....

Wiki Assault rifle article.

Semi-automatic-only rifles like variants of the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

I`m sure most of you already know that the AR in AR-15 stands for Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle. So I wont bother with links or quotes ...

All of this aside, I want one. I will have to deal with my `ole Ihsapore ... for now.

originally posted by: Indigent
5.56 was not selected becouse it wounds instead of kill, it was selected because it had less recoil than 7.62 and therefore higher rates of fire could be achieved

I thought it was selected for other reasons too.

You can carry way more ammo, it's a pretty flat and accurate projectile, cavitation...

I was under the impression that the M16 vs. other came from Vietnam when the AK was more reliable (but less accurate). Even though I'm not a huge gun guy, and while the guns are different, I certainly prefer the AR to the AK I own.

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Stoping power doesn't make sense, I remember thinking the 1911 guys were grasping when I was 17. So if I fire a gun and it doesn't knock me down, why would it instantly knock someone else down? If you can shoot it standing, someone can absorb getting hit with traditional ammunition. If anything it's going to be less force hitting you than the guy that pulled the trigger.

The body doesn't work how certain folks want it to. Shock and an instant kill/drop don't happen with bigger bullets. It happens with what is hit. Bigger bullets with more power don't mean more bleeding (and that's what you're going for). I'd much rather have my arm shot off with a .50 than get a .22 tearing up my internal organs.

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I hope you all feel the enormity of responsibility that is gun ownership for self protection. One of my greatest fears is having to use a gun to protect myself or loved ones, but I will. Steal my car, ransack my house, you open the wrong door and I'm sorry. I'll be yelling and you should know better. Don't know if I could ever forgive myself, but I don't know if I could ever forgive myself.

The AR 15 has many civilian applications outside of combat.

But let's get real here, I don't own these rifles because I'm a competitive shooter. I own rifles like this in the event the SHTF, like someone busting down my door in the middle of the night with his buddies.

Or maybe the government will finally come off the tracks and we have to lay a little hate on them to get them back on.

That's why I own these types of rifles. We should not have to shy away from the purpose of the second amendment. It is there when the talking has failed. It is there for when that predator acts. It is there to preserve life and liberty, and it does that at 3100 feet per second.

originally posted by: projectvxn
The AR 15 has many civilian applications outside of combat.

But let's get real here, I don't own these rifles because I'm a competitive shooter. I own rifles like this in the event the SHTF, like someone busting down my door in the middle of the night with his buddies.

Or maybe the government will finally come off the tracks and we have to lay a little hate on them to get them back on.

That's why I own these types of rifles. We should not have to shy away from the purpose of the second amendment. It is there when the talking has failed. It is there for when that predator acts. It is there to preserve life and liberty, and it does that at 3100 feet per second.

My turkey, my ducks and my chickens are protected from predators by one thing. a 12 guage shotgun .

Oh yeah, and a pissed off Scotsman that happens to be an expert marksman

a reply to: madmac5150

No dog? You don't have a dog?
You live in northern Idaho and you don't have a dog?
Not even one dog?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: madmac5150

No dog? You don't have a dog?
You live in northern Idaho and you don't have a dog?
Not even one dog?

We have 2 Belgian Malinois...

Ain't scared brother

a reply to: madmac5150
So the shotgun is backup then. For predators.
Cuz a pair of dogs is bound to do a pretty good job.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: madmac5150
So the shotgun is backup then. For predators.

If our Belgians let me have leftovers....

Belgians leave very few leftovers

a reply to: madmac5150

I've seen these in action.

I've always wanted to have a malinois. I've never seen a more focused dog.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: madmac5150

I've seen these in action.

I've always wanted to have a malinois. I've never seen a more focused dog.

They are an intense breed, My wife is a professional trainer. They are not a breed for the novice.

a reply to: madmac5150

i don't have the land to accommodate a dog like that. My wife is a professional groomer so I got that covered, but burning that energy requires a little of my own land. I do have a lot of desert around me, as well as Lake Tahoe, but I can't always get out there.

a reply to: madmac5150

I will tell you this. If you step anywhere on this property without permission; the Belgians take care of it. They are intense dogs.