New Rule Requires Doctors To Treat Trans Patients As Their Pretend Sex

a reply to: jjsr420

I respect your opinion and you right to have it. But I disagree.

The first definition I found for gender is the one you have listed as the definition for sex.

As for differences in the brain, we still don't know how the brain works and what most of it is doing, if it is doing anything at all. We know it is chemical/electrical, but beyond that we don't know much of the actual function or mechanics of knowledge, understanding, thought, perception, etc.

As such, it is somewhat disingenuous to say that the noted differences are anything more than coincidence since we don't know what the actual functions and results of the differences are. It could be exactly as you described it. And it could be nothing but coincidence and have absolutely nothing to do with gender identity.

a reply to: jjsr420

Yes, I've asked about the dirty bins in various discussions relating to transgender issues and nobody will answer, why is that?

Why is it such a contentious issue? I'll tell you why.

Because the answer is yes, there will be dirty bins in the mens toilets.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Nothing that I posted was opinion, first of all. Second of all, i'm not sure where you're getting your medical knowledge from, but we understand a great deal about the brain, and how it functions. To the point that we are able to create prosthesis that can interpret the signals of the brain, and move said prosthetic limb. We understand the structures of the brain.

Allow me to point out some things from the article I linked before, and expand upon them:

Spanish investigators—led by psychobiologist Antonio Guillamon of the National Distance Education University in Madrid and neuropsychologist Carme Junqué Plaja of the University of Barcelona—used MRI to examine the brains of 24 female-to-males and 18 male-to-females—both before and after treatment with cross-sex hormones. Their results, published in 2013, showed that even before treatment the brain structures of the trans people were more similar in some respects to the brains of their experienced gender than those of their natal gender. For example, the female-to-male subjects had relatively thin subcortical areas (these areas tend to be thinner in men than in women). Male-to-female subjects tended to have thinner cortical regions in the right hemisphere, which is characteristic of a female brain. (Such differences became more pronounced after treatment.)

As you can see here, the brain physically resembles (atleast in some aspects) a female brain in a sexually Male patient, and vice versa.

Other investigators have looked at sex differences through brain functioning. In a study published in 2014, psychologist Sarah M. Burke of VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam and biologist Julie Bakker of the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience used functional MRI to examine how 39 prepubertal and 41 adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded to androstadienone, an odorous steroid with pheromonelike properties that is known to cause a different response in the hypothalamus of men versus women. They found that the adolescent boys and girls with gender dysphoria responded much like peers of their experienced gender. The results were less clear with the prepubertal children.

And as you can see here, the brain -responds- differently.

We don't know -everything- about the brain, but we -do- know a great deal about it, and how it works. You can deny this all you want, but it is simply fact. I do not deal in opinions. I deal in facts, which always Trump (lol) any opinion.

Is there more science that needs to be done to properly understand this? Without a doubt. We have a great deal more to learn about this issue, but as of now, this is the reality of it. No opinions needed.

a reply to: samerulesapply

Before I reply to your 'dirty bins' question, please explain (in depth) as to how it -is- relevant to this issue. I can find no logical reason to why it would be.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Here is just one site which shows an interactive model of the brain, and explains a good bit about it:
Interactive Brain!!! So neat

a reply to: jjsr420

It's all the same, doesn't matter whether it's men being treated as females by doctors, or women using mens toilets. These are both potential side effects of the same delusional mindset.

I'm quite surprised you can't see the connection, I mean - you seem reasonably intelligent.

Honestly, I reckon you know fine well why it's relevant, you're being deliberately ignorant. I mean, I don't mind that, you're welcome to be ignorant, but don't do it behind a veil of superiority like you're some authority on the issue who commands respect and made various demands of others.

Truth is I don't much care what you say or how it's worded, I'm playing with you. you ain't given me anything substantial and I don't want anything from you, anyway. You simply don't meet my high standards with regards to this issue.

I'm ignoring you now.

a reply to: samerulesapply

So just what are your standards? (and WTF is a dirty bin?)

And that's that - I always ignore people after I thrash them in a debate.

a reply to: Freija

I asked the same thing, and got ignored. Not that I mind. Being ignored by someone who can't even understand the difference between Sex, and Gender doesn't bother me -that- much.

originally posted by: Freija
a reply to: samerulesapply

So just what are your standards? (and WTF is a dirty bin?)

Freija - it's a recepticle where women - and probably men - dispose of used sanitary products.

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: jjsr420

Yes, I've asked about the dirty bins in various discussions relating to transgender issues and nobody will answer, why is that?

Why is it such a contentious issue? I'll tell you why.

Because the answer is yes, there will be dirty bins in the mens toilets.

Are you talking about the little trash boxes for tampons and pads?


-PS edit- nevermind, you just answsered it in the above post.


So to answer your question, that's up to the establishment, isn't it? Those bins are't "required" to be there and aren't in all the womens stalls, either. If you expect to have some transmen among your clientele, then maybe you should install some.

Why are you asking such a weird question, anyway?

That's what I thought he meant, but I don't like to make assumptions. Yea. A Trash Bin is not relevant to this discussion at all. Sad attempt at Shifting the Spotlight. Should have just ignored from the start.

Yous know fine well what I'm talking about.

I'm not the one being deceptive here.

a reply to: samerulesapply

You still have yet to illustrate -how- a Trash Bin is relevant to this discussion. I'm honestly curious about that. I expect it to be just more Shifting the Spotlight, but lets see...

originally posted by: samerulesapply
Yous know fine well what I'm talking about.

I'm not the one being deceptive here.

Are you afraid of metal boxes in your stall that come with the added convenience of being a little garbage can? Everybody is asking you what is your point but you just keep saying "you know..."

a reply to: Abysha

Because they'd don't belong in a mens room, that's why.

Just like men don't need to use such products, even if feel like they should.

It's as relevant as a doctor playing along with a delusion and calling him a her.

originally posted by: snarfbot

Its more about making yourself feel good and better than others than actually caring about anything or anyone. Because these people are sick and they need help and telling them to mutilate their bodies is a mistake.

You call it "sickness."

They seek to live a happy life.
You seek to deny them of that happiness, even though it's not your business.

Some would consider you to be the "sick" one... preoccupied with making people miserable to make yourself feel good.

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Abysha

Because they'd don't belong in a mens room, that's why.

Just like men don't need to use such products, even if feel like they should.

It's as relevant as a doctor playing along with a delusion and calling him a her.

Oh, I see. So... you just have a problem using a restroom that might accommodate for a type of man you don't personally like.

Is it the reflection in the metal box that bothers you? Like, does watching yourself wipe make you self-conscious? Does the trash bin make your safe space not feel so safe? I'm really stretching here trying to find one conceivable reason a trash bin in a stall would offend somebody such as yourself. I can't.

a reply to: samerulesapply

That is your opinion, and -only- your opinion. I like having Trash Bins in the stalls (which, in my area atleast, the majority of stalls have a small trash bin in them; even in men's restroom) so it's my -opinion- that they belong there, which differs from yours. We aren't, however, discussing things which relate to -opinion-, but that which relates to -facts-, and the facts have been presented already. There is a physical difference in not only structure, but function; which you would know if you'd read through my links. It isn't my problem if you wish to remain willfully ignorant of the facts.

originally posted by: Abysha

originally posted by: samerulesapply
a reply to: Abysha

Because they'd don't belong in a mens room, that's why.

Just like men don't need to use such products, even if feel like they should.

It's as relevant as a doctor playing along with a delusion and calling him a her.

Oh, I see. So... you just have a problem using a restroom that might accommodate for a type of man you don't personally like.

Is it the reflection in the metal box that bothers you? Like, does watching yourself wipe make you self-conscious? Does the trash bin make your safe space not feel so safe? I'm really stretching here trying to find one conceivable reason a trash bin in a stall would offend somebody such as yourself. I can't.

Any bloke who uses a stall on a night out is either useless at planning ahead or a bit worried at how they measure up.